Discussing the Legacy of Kolchak With Actor, Writer, and Wildcard, Pat Jankiewicz

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Welcome back to nightmare logic the podcast that

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features your favorite beasts monsters and creatures

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today were your cryptid zookeepers Christopher

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Smith Peter Sawyer and tap at a darling and listen

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in and as our good friend Creature actor and

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wild card Pat Jankiewicz joins us for a lively

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discussion about comics cold check and his beastly

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career Alright guys awesome. We’re back together

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in person for another audio Recording that’s

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exciting because if you’ve been doing it You

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know over zoom or or riverside really for the

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last few days. Yeah Yeah, no, I dig it as I see

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you guys’s faces in person. Yeah, plus the studio

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is really cool I like looking at all Peter’s

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cool. Yeah, it really sets the vibe Peter is

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that for you guys can’t see obviously, but We’re

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in Peter’s office, which is like adorned with

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all sorts of uh, whore posters memorabilia a

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lot of Kurt Russell So if you guys want me get

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right in A lot of punk stuff, too Black walls

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red curtains ouija board coffee tables all pretty

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dope Great. Well, so we’ve all seen things in

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the last week or two. So let’s what have you

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seen that you like? I saw so this is a quick

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story I want to share because this was kind of

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unusual and seems like appropriate. So I I flew

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to Maine to see family about a week ago. And

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coming from Southern California, it’s like there’s

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no direct flights. So I had a couple of layovers

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on the way. My first layover was in Phoenix.

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So I boarded the plane. I’m behind the the right

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wing but I could see the conveyor belt that goes

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into the Cargo bay and you know, you usually

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see luggage but this Cart pulls up and this giant

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box is being loaded on and I look at it and it

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says human remains and that’s that’s a first

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so that felt like Wait, what’s going on? And

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then you see a soldier and you see the pilot

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standing by and they get the they get on the

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plane and the pilot makes an announcement that

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this gentleman, his name was James, I don’t know

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if that was his first or last name, was a soldier

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in World War Two and they had just found and

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identified his remains just now. And so they

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were taking it home to Baltimore, which was where

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the next stop was. So he’s like, please let our

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soldier off first, because he’s kicking off the

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ceremony. So then when we landed, it was rainy

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and there was just all these vets and a couple

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of civilians and they draped the the flag over

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it and it was just their ceremony. So it’s just

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kind of wild and unexpected to see on a flight.

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Totally. And it seems like actually a really

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good setup for a horror film. Yeah, I mean, just

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seeing human remains on a box being loaded into

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the plane. Yeah, it seemed that seemed kind of

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appropriate. But it was interesting just to be

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like, damn, at World War Two, you know, 1940

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and what else? You saw something while you’re

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out there, too, right? I watched a couple things.

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Before getting into obsession, I’ll talk about

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I watched a movie called Of Unknown Origin, and

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that was starring Peter Weller, who everyone

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knows from RoboCop. If you’ve seen Firstborn,

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that was one of his earlier films that I liked.

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But it’s directed by George P. Cosmatos and If

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you don’t know who he is, he directed Tombstone.

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He directed… Tombstone was so good. He directed

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Cobra, which is… I could talk for hours on.

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That’s like the greatest non -horror movie with

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the best slasher scene I’ve ever seen. And he

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did this film. He’s also the father of the guy

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who did Mandy. And of unknown origin, Peter Weller

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is like a family man climbing the corporate ladder.

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wife and kid go out of town and he has like a

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project he needs to deliver in two months to

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get the promotion. Um, and it turns out there’s

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a large rat that has decided to take over his

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house and he just like loses his mind trying

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to kill this thing. So it was just kind of fun

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seeing relatable. Yeah. Yeah. Peter Willard go

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ham like wearing spiked cleats and taking baseball

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bats to walls. Um, yeah, fun movie. That’s cool.

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That might not be on a lot of people’s radar

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because that’s from like the very early eighties.

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It’s also like one of Stephen King’s Favorite

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movies, which is why I wanted to see it, but

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it’s very much not like a Stephen King story

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So I wanted to mention that but um, I mean I

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can get into obsession now or if you guys why

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do you save obsession? We’ll come back to you

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at the very end of the little banter section

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here to hear how some obsession was Sure. Yeah

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Taffy. What do you would you got? Oh, I’m still

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playing through tells from the crib. That’s probably

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all I’m going to be watching outside of playing

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like some video games. But now Shutter has released

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like all the seasons. So now I can go in and

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just pick and choose the ones I want to watch.

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Yeah, nice. And one of the ones I’d forgotten

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about, but I also really loved is the Joe Pesci

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one. He’s so good dope as she won a split personality

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where he plays like two versions of himself Like

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he comes upon like these two sisters who their

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dad has died and they’re really rich and so he’s

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kind of like this con man So he goes there and

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he like booze them, but then he realizes hey,

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you know, like they’re twins What if I somehow

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somehow, you know Tell them I have a twin who

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has to be out of the country all the time and

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eventually they find out and just really like,

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you know tear him up like literally, but it’s

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just funny just to that the caliber and the random

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people that show up in these tales from the script

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episodes. And you’ve got Joe Pesci playing like

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his traditional self, but then like a California,

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like, you know, with a ponytail and like kind

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of a sleaze bag. And I don’t know. And it is

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trying to be romantic, which is also really funny

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for me for some reason. I don’t know. I guess

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I’m just so ingrained with him being a tough

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guy that when he tries to have any sort of like

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romance, I’m just like, this is so odd. But it’s

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just that the error of the time anyway. So. Wow.

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That’s one of the ones that I had forgotten about

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that I’m glad to see again. I’m like, fuck yeah.

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Yeah, that’s good. Yeah, I need to keep going

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on those two. Well, I saw two things I want to

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talk about. One is a short that was released

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called The Littles by some of the filmmakers

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behind. And I remember before Christmas, Coraline,

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FX’s American Horror Story, Pinocchio. Talk to

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me, a bunch of whatever. Like, I don’t know.

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Some people got together and made this. It’s

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a stop motion animated short. It’s like maybe

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seven, 10 minutes long. Question. Yeah. It’s

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not based on the cartoon show from the 80s. The

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littlest, is it? I know. That’s what I went to

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do. We are the littles. I don’t know. It’s like

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I don’t want to ruin it. It’s so short. I don’t

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want to say too much. But, you know, it basically

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features these like little people live under

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the floor, which is where the name. That was

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like the best thing on like Nickelodeon with

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like David the gnome back in the day like that

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had the best like I think they made a movie of

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the littles like I have a vague memory of seeing

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that in the theater. I got to look that up. Well,

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this will be on the show notes. You guys can

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go check it out. But that’s amazing. But it’s

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stop motion and it has like a. We’ll just say

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light horror aspect to it. And it’s good though.

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It’s really creative. I love stop motion, which

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is why I wanted to talk about it. And then I

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saw, well, I got to go to an advanced screening

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of Passenger through a friend of Peter and I,

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I guess all of us now, Nikhil. And it was really

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great. It was interesting. There was a Q &A with

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the writer and two of the producers. So getting

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some of the inside baseball of that. I took a

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friend and we went to that before, uh, it was

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released. I think it was like Tuesday and I think

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it was released on Thursday or Friday or something.

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So anyways, it was, it was really cool. Um, I

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liked it. Uh, I, you know, I’ve seen some negative

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reviews about it, which I kind of agree with

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their points. I think they’re, you know, maybe

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we’re a little harsher on it than I would have

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been because I had a good time, you know? Uh,

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but it was, it’s not the most like, uh, what’s

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the word I’m looking for? Like in depth or if

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you’re going in looking for a, Elevated horror.

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It’s like not that kind of a thing. It’s it’s

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like we have the outline of a like a setup, you

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know, of like a of rules of this world and you

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know, like and but it’s like fun and the scares

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deliver and like, you know, it’s really well

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directed and stuff like that. So it’s actually

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the guy who did he’s a Norwegian guy. He did

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Trollhunter. He told Hunter. Yeah, he did the

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autopsy of Jane Doe, which I will say probably

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has the best horror tone for the of modern movies

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I can think of. I don’t think it stuck to the

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landing. I mean, I liked a lot of it. I just

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didn’t like the ending, but it really had a great

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tone the way that kicked off that I pine for

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in movies. Yeah, yeah. And this has a great tone,

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too. For those who don’t know, it’s, you know,

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it’s a bit like a road horror movie, and it’s

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kind of about this couple who gets they’re doing

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van life and they get haunted on their travels.

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And I thought it was like interesting to do in

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general. I think movies that are that the hauntings

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aren’t like confined to one space are interesting,

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right? Because it’s like you almost have to have

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all sorts of rules because, you know, we all

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know that ghosts like just traditionally are

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tied, you know, inhabit a house. You don’t have

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to explain that. You know what I mean? But when

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you’re like, OK, how does this ghost follow them

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state to state or whatever? It’s like you got

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to have to have like a way that works. Right.

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The trailer reminded me of this movie from the

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early 2000s I liked called Dead End, which is

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like a family. doing the same kind of thing.

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So I’m curious how, you know, what they do similar,

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what they do differently. Yeah. Yeah. I think

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the way that they approached it, and this is

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what a lot of the criticism I read boils down

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to, is that it’s like kind of as they kind of

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come at it from a religious angle, which, you

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know, feels to the critics that I’ve read feels

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a little like shoehorned in a bit, like it’s

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not entirely organic. But, you know, I mean,

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it’s not the kind of movie where I think you

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need more than that. You know, like I’m just

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there for the fun, you know, so, but it was good.

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It was good. So how did obsession rate to you?

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OK, obsession. So I have a quick story about

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that as well. I saw that in Falmouth, Maine,

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and the theater I saw that had like a lot of

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little theaters in it. And this the screen and

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the one is like 15, 20 feet off the ground, like

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steep. Slope. So you have to look up at it? Well,

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no, I mean, like the seats were comfortable.

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But because of the slope, there was a group of

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people a few seats ahead of me. And one of them

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had their cell phone on the screen. And you could

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I could see it was like almost above their head

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because they were like leaned back and like filming

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the screen. No, just playing fucking games. So.

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What it was distracting yeah, so I was like if

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it was a lower it wouldn’t bother me And I don’t

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want to be that guy, but I’ve never gone up to

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someone, but I went up and I was like hey That’s

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distracting. I’m doing this and it was like two

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girls Teenage girls sitting on each other, and

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they were like looked at me with like you know

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deer -eyed, and I’m like they’re like oh shit

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Sorry, we didn’t I’m like just lower it and then

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they put on like dark mode But then they left

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like ten minutes later, so I don’t it was like

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a gaggle of teens. I don’t know yeah Well, that

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was about so that was kind of off to a yeah.

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Yeah, get up there old man. Oh weird curmudgeon.

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Oh weird stuff. But I mean, like I’m not the

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only one who’s seen that. Oh, no, for sure. For

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sure. I mean, honestly, that’s like I said, I

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think it’s pretty rude, but also, you know, and

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I want to show when I was a teenager. I didn’t

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want to go to the. you know, go get the management

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and do that. Yeah, like I’ll just handle this

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here because I don’t want to like miss part of

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the movie. So most of you guys probably know

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Obsession was written and directed and edited

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by Curry Baker. Yeah, he also theater. Yeah.

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Cool. And they shot it in 20 days in Burbank.

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And so that’s impressive. And it was made for

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I don’t know if it was a million dollars or less.

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And it’s made a lot of money since and it’s it’s

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been highly praised. I liked it, but I I won’t

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say I really loved it I thought there’s a lot

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of good things about it But and I’m not gonna

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even hold the movie accountable as much as like

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I had kind of an epiphany Watching it that that’s

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not necessarily the movies fault is I feel like

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I’m gonna blame the zeitgeist Because this would

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have been shot what like two years ago if it’s

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just coming out now Yeah, potentially even three,

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but yeah, it depends. And so there’s some things

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the movie has to offer that I have fatigue from,

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and I’m just now realizing that. But before getting

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into it, I do want to say that the actress that,

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I guess her name is, I hope I’m saying this right,

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Indy Navarrete? Is that I don’t know either but

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yeah, that’s she carries the movie and does a

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phenomenal job Like she really puts her all into

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it and that’s what like sells the movie. That’s

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what I’ve heard. Yeah So yeah, and it’s it’s

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not a bad movie I’m not saying that what the

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things that I realize that I’m just gonna say

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this because maybe other people are thinking

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this is So many movies in the last ten years

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rightfully so kind of want this a 24 lighting

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it’s like you know got this yellow warm glow

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and it’s got these rich shadows but every movie

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looks like that and if you if you go back to

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the early 2000s and you look at the ring there’s

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underworld there’s the grudge that are also doing

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that like dark blue palette you know so no shade

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to curry baker or obsession or any movies that

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are doing it but everyone’s doing it so it’s

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you’ll start to notice that Obsession also, I

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found this pretty interesting and this is more

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of an observation and it’s not really a criticism,

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is the protagonist in, his name is Bear in Obsession,

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is this guy who really likes this girl he went

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to high school with and now is working at a music

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store and he thinks he has a chance with her,

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but he’s not a very interesting character and

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he’s kind of pathetic and you’re kind of, you

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know, like… You always hear, all right, you

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got to follow your protagonist so they should

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be likable or sympathetic or, you know, if you’re

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not going to like them, they should be interesting.

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And you’re a little bit sympathetic towards him,

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but I just found it interesting that we’re all

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following this character just to see like a wish

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go wrong. Yeah. You know, that’s that’s kind

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of what you’re waiting for. And there was some

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cool surprises in it. A couple of things I did

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not see, and I don’t want to get into that for

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spoiler reasons, but. Another observation I have

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that I personally have fatigue is a lot of modern

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horror movies in the last ten years, especially

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just go all in on spectacle and It’s interesting,

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but it’s Draining like it’s if I get a special

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spectacle. I want it to scare me I want it to

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shock me, but I don’t want to walk out of it

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draining right feeling drained and that I felt

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that a little bit and obsessions not the You

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know not the worst offender by any stretch of

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the means But I did did pick up on that and so

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it feels very familiar to these these other films

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Well, you heard it here mixed reviews for obsession

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from peter. Sorry I’m starting to feel like the

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heel of horror movie reviews So that actually

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is a nice transition into the new section because

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the first story had for us is actually about

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obsession And as you kind of already alluded

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to obsession is sort of the first big horror

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box office success I don’t know. I mean, I feel

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like there’s been a couple other really good

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hits too so far, but that’s what’s sort of being

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reported in the press. Part of that is because

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it was done on, as you said, 750 to 1 million

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estimated budget, but it brought in so far 27

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million globally in its first week, which is

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quite… A huge amount when you know compared

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to the budget and that was it was acquired from

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by focus features for 15 million so they’ve already

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made money and You know, obviously the producers

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made money just from the cell. So like, you know,

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it’s Another good example or data point of horror

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movies, you know being one of the sort of few

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bright spots in the entertainment industry at

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the moment seems like and So This actually is

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it sounds like it’s a record. It’s in terms of

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return on investment. It’s Tops paranormal activity

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from 2009 in terms of the cost to profit ratio

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Really because I thought that made like close

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to 300 million or something I’m not exactly sure

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how this is being measured But like it could

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be like in the first week or it could be you

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know Because I mean we don’t know the full lifetime

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of obsession yet either I do think this also

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might speak more to younger kids Because it’s

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dealing with that generation, right? It’s like

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is a high school or college age. They’re like

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college They’re out of high school because they

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all hold jobs and like have apartments. Okay,

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you only like early early 20s. Yeah, cool. Cool

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Great. So the next thing I wanted to mention

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is that? Undertone it set a streaming date and

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it’s gonna be June 26th 2026 so later this summer

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Uh, not a lot to say about that. Peter and I

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saw that another one of those, like made for

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very little, but did really well in the box office

00:17:33.349 –> 00:17:35.670
movies. And, uh, you know, that I would almost

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say was also kind of a hit, uh, maybe not as

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big of a hit, but it did well. And, uh, yeah,

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that’ll be coming out at the end of June. And

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then the next story is there’s a film called

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recluse that is premiering, I think this week

00:17:51.410 –> 00:17:53.190
is Rebecca going on right now. Yeah, I think

00:17:53.190 –> 00:17:57.680
so. Um, at Rebecca. And it actually sounds a

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lot like Undertone, speaking of. It’s for audio

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files. And essentially it’s writer -director

00:18:07.400 –> 00:18:13.440
Henry Chesson’s feature debut. And it centers

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on this woman named Joan, who’s a sound recordist

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living in isolation who heads back to her father’s

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estate in the wake of a devastating fire. and

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tracing a series of ghostly audio fragments,

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she uncovers a buried family secret and someone

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intent on keeping it that way. So it’s not exactly

00:18:29.319 –> 00:18:32.420
the same plot from Undertone, but like there’s

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some similarities to anything. Yeah. And that

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star, Sasha Frolova, who was in The Empty Man

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and Xander Berkeley from Terminator 2 Judgment

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Day, which, damn, still working, huh? And The

00:18:45.220 –> 00:18:47.839
Walking Dead. He’s like, wait a minute. Xander,

00:18:48.019 –> 00:18:51.500
who was in? I actually don’t know. But speaking

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of Terminator 2, they’re doing a special screening

00:18:53.559 –> 00:18:55.980
in July of Terminator 2 at the Vista with the

00:18:55.980 –> 00:18:57.720
Q &A. I think I’m going to go with some friends,

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so you guys should come. Well, who from Terminator

00:19:00.380 –> 00:19:05.160
2 is part of that? I couldn’t tell you. Full

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of all sorts of information over here. So then

00:19:08.319 –> 00:19:11.819
another the next story, the filmmakers Radio

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Silence of Ready or Not have signed on to direct

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a movie, choose your own adventure movie. based

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on the books. And I imagine it’s probably got

00:19:21.740 –> 00:19:24.660
some horror angle to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because,

00:19:24.660 –> 00:19:27.880
yeah, that could easily go wrong. Right. Well,

00:19:27.920 –> 00:19:30.440
it’s like, it’s the obvious genre, I think, for

00:19:30.440 –> 00:19:31.799
Choose Your Own Adventure, right? Well, yeah,

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isn’t it like what Last Cabin in the Woods kind

00:19:33.599 –> 00:19:35.279
of reads like that or plays out like that in

00:19:35.279 –> 00:19:38.420
some points? Whenever like, but they don’t really

00:19:38.420 –> 00:19:39.799
know, but everyone else kind of knows they’re

00:19:39.799 –> 00:19:41.140
like picking their adventure for them if they

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do this and this happens. That’s kind of cool.

00:19:43.099 –> 00:19:45.779
So this is kind of interesting in the. I feel

00:19:45.779 –> 00:19:48.940
like late 90s, maybe as early 2000s, MTV had

00:19:48.940 –> 00:19:53.200
a MTV news break on some new kind of movie where

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it was choose your own adventure. So if you were

00:19:55.180 –> 00:19:57.539
in the theater, people could rush and press a

00:19:57.539 –> 00:20:01.279
button on to like vote for which direction the

00:20:01.279 –> 00:20:03.559
movie should go in. I don’t know the name of

00:20:03.559 –> 00:20:05.759
it or whatever, but I thought it was an interesting

00:20:05.759 –> 00:20:08.000
idea. Yeah, I’m wondering how interactive this

00:20:08.000 –> 00:20:10.099
is going to be. And I imagine it’s probably going

00:20:10.099 –> 00:20:13.380
to be potentially for like a Netflix or something

00:20:13.380 –> 00:20:17.509
that has a You know, it’s a streamer based where

00:20:17.509 –> 00:20:21.609
they could write Black Mirror. They came back

00:20:21.609 –> 00:20:23.250
just for that one episode though. I was worth

00:20:23.250 –> 00:20:24.769
it. Cumberbatch, I think that’s what it was called.

00:20:25.170 –> 00:20:29.390
Cool. Next, we have found out that there we have

00:20:29.390 –> 00:20:32.029
two new stars for JT Molnar’s new creature feature

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called Skeletons, and it’s going to be starring

00:20:33.950 –> 00:20:37.349
Kyle Gellner and Brie Larson, which is pretty

00:20:37.349 –> 00:20:38.970
exciting. I actually like Brie Larson quite a

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bit. I do too. Yeah, she gets a lot of shit.

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Everyone loved her and like, you know, it’s got

00:20:42.670 –> 00:20:45.230
Pilgrim and stuff, but then you make her Captain

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Marvel and everyone’s like, boo. She’s great.

00:20:48.829 –> 00:20:52.329
She’s fucking great. Kyle Goldner. He’s phenomenal.

00:20:52.470 –> 00:20:54.549
He’s like a horror movie veteran. I mean, he’s

00:20:54.549 –> 00:20:57.690
in all sorts. He’s in Carolina, Carolina. He’s

00:20:57.690 –> 00:21:00.269
dinner in America. He’s non -horror stuff. But

00:21:00.269 –> 00:21:03.750
yeah, he did. He’s on his horror, too. Yeah,

00:21:03.829 –> 00:21:05.049
it sounds like it’s going to be pretty cool.

00:21:05.190 –> 00:21:07.230
And actually, it’s what’s interesting is it’s

00:21:07.230 –> 00:21:09.329
produced by J .J. Abrams. Sony Pictures doing

00:21:09.329 –> 00:21:10.769
it. So it’s not like it doesn’t sound like it’s

00:21:10.769 –> 00:21:13.069
like a super low budget. Project obviously enough

00:21:13.069 –> 00:21:15.329
you’re getting Brie Larson Academy Award nominated

00:21:15.329 –> 00:21:18.950
actress in there or Or did she win winner winner?

00:21:19.349 –> 00:21:22.589
I have no nothing about the film But it sounds

00:21:22.589 –> 00:21:24.670
pretty interesting and apparently it’s a modern

00:21:24.670 –> 00:21:26.750
take on the creature horror film told from the

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perspective of a young boy Who slowly begins

00:21:28.809 –> 00:21:31.069
to discover that his beloved parents are hiding

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a disturbing secret about his mother’s true nature

00:21:33.809 –> 00:21:37.450
She must be a skeleton. Yeah, or skeletons in

00:21:37.450 –> 00:21:41.470
the closet. I get it. There it is Okay, uh, maybe

00:21:41.470 –> 00:21:43.269
she’s a werewolf. I’d love it to be a werewolf.

00:21:43.410 –> 00:21:48.269
Yeah So jt gaulner. I’m sorry, uh jt maulner

00:21:48.269 –> 00:21:52.950
not gaulner maulner is actually doing the new

00:21:52.950 –> 00:21:55.470
Texas chainsaw massacre movie that’s going to

00:21:55.470 –> 00:21:58.170
be coming out. So exciting. So peter you got

00:21:58.170 –> 00:22:00.089
uh something to share Yeah, I have I have a little

00:22:00.089 –> 00:22:03.130
sad news. It’s probably not getting that much

00:22:03.130 –> 00:22:07.599
attention but uh in Old friend, Pat Norton, we

00:22:07.599 –> 00:22:10.420
actually wrote a werewolf script like 15 years

00:22:10.420 –> 00:22:15.400
ago. He had an aunt who had been in some movies

00:22:15.400 –> 00:22:17.880
when we were younger. And he always was like,

00:22:17.940 –> 00:22:19.819
yeah, she’s in Three O ‘Clock High, which is

00:22:19.819 –> 00:22:21.599
a fucking great movie. If you guys haven’t seen

00:22:21.599 –> 00:22:24.299
that, it’s from the 80s. And she passed away.

00:22:24.400 –> 00:22:28.220
Her name is Caitlin O ‘Henny. But what I didn’t

00:22:28.220 –> 00:22:30.339
realize is she was actually in a few horror movies.

00:22:30.559 –> 00:22:33.099
She was in He Knows You’re Alone. She was in

00:22:33.099 –> 00:22:36.200
Wolfen. She’s in the purple rose of Cairo. She’s

00:22:36.200 –> 00:22:38.720
in late phases. She’s been in a lot of, lot of

00:22:38.720 –> 00:22:41.759
things that some of you guys have seen. Um, so

00:22:41.759 –> 00:22:43.940
I just wanted to put that out there because it’s

00:22:43.940 –> 00:22:46.220
always, always sad when someone, you know, what’s

00:22:46.220 –> 00:22:50.839
her name again? Caitlin O ‘Henny, H -E -A -N

00:22:50.839 –> 00:22:53.039
-E -Y. Um, and he just posted something about

00:22:53.039 –> 00:22:54.940
this last week and I was like, oh shit. But then

00:22:54.940 –> 00:22:57.619
when I saw that she was in, he knows you’re alone.

00:22:57.660 –> 00:23:00.619
I was like, oh fuck, I know Armon. directed that.

00:23:00.680 –> 00:23:02.819
So I’m going to see if Armand will share any

00:23:02.819 –> 00:23:05.960
memories about her. Well, rest in peace, Catherine.

00:23:06.319 –> 00:23:09.380
Well, on that on that down note, I’m all full

00:23:09.380 –> 00:23:13.980
of down. Let’s transition to the one and only

00:23:13.980 –> 00:23:17.460
kind of genre of film that I could find that’s

00:23:17.460 –> 00:23:20.460
going to be dropping this weekend, May 29th.

00:23:20.460 –> 00:23:23.319
And that is Backrooms film that a lot of people

00:23:23.319 –> 00:23:26.079
have been excited about. I’m excited about it,

00:23:26.079 –> 00:23:27.890
actually. Check it out. and that’s written and

00:23:27.890 –> 00:23:31.029
directed by Cain Parsons with another writer,

00:23:31.869 –> 00:23:35.809
Will Sudick, and it stars Chiwetel Elgiefour,

00:23:35.950 –> 00:23:38.890
which I can never pronounce properly, and Renate

00:23:38.890 –> 00:23:41.210
Renzva. There’s so many actors with hard to pronounce

00:23:41.210 –> 00:23:43.869
names. Mark Duplass, that one’s easy. I got that

00:23:43.869 –> 00:23:48.029
one. Three syllables. There you go. So and, you

00:23:48.029 –> 00:23:50.269
know, I think most people are aware of this,

00:23:50.309 –> 00:23:54.059
but basically the… Logline is after a therapist

00:23:54.059 –> 00:23:56.880
patient disappears into dimensions beyond reality.

00:23:56.980 –> 00:23:59.380
She must venture into the unknown to save him

00:23:59.380 –> 00:24:02.500
Basically, it’s one of those liminal films which

00:24:02.500 –> 00:24:05.019
is Really popular right now. In fact passenger

00:24:05.019 –> 00:24:07.119
is a little got a little bit of the liminal in

00:24:07.119 –> 00:24:09.900
this to it as well So I think that’s really in

00:24:09.900 –> 00:24:27.400
vogue this year So we’re about to be joined by

00:24:27.400 –> 00:24:29.299
a guest, Peter. Why don’t you tell us a little

00:24:29.299 –> 00:24:31.140
bit about him since you’ve known him for a long

00:24:31.140 –> 00:24:34.259
time, right? Pat Jankiewicz is our guest. Pat

00:24:34.259 –> 00:24:37.039
is a character. I mean that in the most endearing

00:24:37.039 –> 00:24:39.180
way, like you cannot miss him. I don’t know if

00:24:39.180 –> 00:24:41.960
he’s like 6 ‘5″, 6 ‘7″, he’s a big dude. And

00:24:41.960 –> 00:24:44.599
he’s got some serious stories, very interesting,

00:24:44.799 –> 00:24:49.579
huge heart. And he plays, I met him through horror

00:24:49.579 –> 00:24:52.740
trivia, ended up playing on the same team. We

00:24:52.740 –> 00:24:56.559
won a round this last week. Richard Matheson

00:24:56.559 –> 00:24:59.380
round which actually I mean that may not sound

00:24:59.380 –> 00:25:02.559
impressive at home, but it’s so hard to get around

00:25:02.559 –> 00:25:04.960
And we were two players down. So everyone has

00:25:04.960 –> 00:25:08.240
six players We had four and we went around mainly

00:25:08.240 –> 00:25:10.700
due to Pat. I had a contributed to two of the

00:25:10.700 –> 00:25:17.500
questions and he’s Richard Matheson He wrote

00:25:17.500 –> 00:25:20.859
I am legend he’s a writer like one of the questions

00:25:20.859 –> 00:25:23.980
was what Stephen King book was dedicated to him

00:25:24.670 –> 00:25:26.289
And that’s the kind of that’s what I’m talking

00:25:26.289 –> 00:25:29.349
about before 2006 the answer is sell and I knew

00:25:29.349 –> 00:25:32.490
that one I thought it was initially Salem’s lot,

00:25:32.529 –> 00:25:34.950
but then Pat was like no that was dedicated to

00:25:34.950 –> 00:25:38.170
us So like it’s like okay T doesn’t say shit.

00:25:38.309 –> 00:25:41.690
It’s sell see this is on time I like there’s

00:25:41.690 –> 00:25:44.549
probably zero chance it will ever know What who

00:25:44.549 –> 00:25:46.750
which Stephen King book is dedicated to who you

00:25:46.750 –> 00:25:48.890
know? Yeah, it’s I mean they’re not easy questions,

00:25:48.890 –> 00:25:50.950
but Pat has interviewed a lot of people which

00:25:50.950 –> 00:25:53.640
gives him some Inside scoop to things. Which

00:25:53.640 –> 00:25:55.920
is why one of the reasons we wanted to have him

00:25:55.920 –> 00:25:58.039
on here. Who did he work for? Like, who is he

00:25:58.039 –> 00:26:00.180
doing interviews for or writing for? Fangoria

00:26:00.180 –> 00:26:03.559
was one. He’s, I think, working with Darkseid,

00:26:03.640 –> 00:26:06.059
which is like a British kind of Fangoria these

00:26:06.059 –> 00:26:08.660
days. He’s written some books. He wrote a book

00:26:08.660 –> 00:26:12.039
about Jaws, the greatest great American hero.

00:26:13.400 –> 00:26:15.839
And now he has one. He’s writing about Kolchak.

00:26:16.559 –> 00:26:19.819
And I first knew him as he’s also an actor. Yeah,

00:26:20.019 –> 00:26:22.220
he’s been in plenty of music videos. He’s been

00:26:22.220 –> 00:26:24.920
in, he was in Fight Club in background. You can

00:26:24.920 –> 00:26:28.019
see him. This whole time I’ve known him for a

00:26:28.019 –> 00:26:29.720
little while now through Peter and like, I always

00:26:29.720 –> 00:26:32.000
thought he was like a creature actor. I mean,

00:26:32.000 –> 00:26:34.940
he does that too. And he has a pretty good story

00:26:34.940 –> 00:26:37.240
about trying out for something. I’ll see if I’ll

00:26:37.240 –> 00:26:40.859
bring it up. The point is he’s a man of many

00:26:40.859 –> 00:26:42.960
talents and he’s going to tell us all about him.

00:26:43.180 –> 00:26:46.140
And he also, lastly, he makes a bit appearance

00:26:46.140 –> 00:26:49.019
in our short film. a very surprise appearance.

00:26:49.480 –> 00:26:53.240
And he was really great in that role. So I’m

00:26:53.240 –> 00:26:55.019
excited to talk to him. I think you guys are

00:26:55.019 –> 00:27:00.579
as well. So here he is. Yep. All right, Pat,

00:27:00.740 –> 00:27:03.619
welcome to Nightmare Logic. Thank you for joining

00:27:03.619 –> 00:27:07.200
us. Thank you, Jensen, dear Lenny. You’re tossing

00:27:07.200 –> 00:27:12.079
these bums up. I was. We were recording and I

00:27:12.079 –> 00:27:14.559
was telling him we had our win at horror trivia,

00:27:14.900 –> 00:27:19.059
the Richard Matheson round. And I don’t know

00:27:19.059 –> 00:27:21.119
if I shared it, but you you’ve interviewed Richard

00:27:21.119 –> 00:27:24.200
Matheson, right? I did. The hilarious thing about

00:27:24.200 –> 00:27:28.420
Richard Matheson is I brought my big brother.

00:27:28.740 –> 00:27:30.720
And I remember when I was in junior high, when

00:27:30.720 –> 00:27:33.640
I started junior high and, you know, the junior

00:27:33.640 –> 00:27:37.539
high is after after elementary school. where

00:27:37.539 –> 00:27:40.180
every kid thinks he’s the star of his own movie.

00:27:40.819 –> 00:27:42.700
You enter junior high and you find your place

00:27:42.700 –> 00:27:44.920
in the pecking order is terrible. I remember

00:27:44.920 –> 00:27:47.319
my big brother said, you should read this. This

00:27:47.319 –> 00:27:49.940
will help you accept junior high. And he handed

00:27:49.940 –> 00:27:54.099
me that great Richard Matheson novel, I Am Legend.

00:27:54.640 –> 00:27:57.319
And it was the reverse Jesus cover where he’s

00:27:57.319 –> 00:27:59.240
holding the stick and the hammer and the crowds

00:27:59.240 –> 00:28:02.720
trying to tear apart. And it was the perfect.

00:28:03.019 –> 00:28:06.880
The last man on earth being obsessed with with

00:28:06.880 –> 00:28:09.039
his former friends and everything while he’s

00:28:09.039 –> 00:28:11.079
the last man on earth and everyone else is a

00:28:11.079 –> 00:28:13.920
bloodthirsty vampire. Perfect book to start junior

00:28:13.920 –> 00:28:17.740
high with. Yeah, no, we I think I mentioned we

00:28:17.740 –> 00:28:19.740
interviewed Steve Niles and he was saying that

00:28:19.740 –> 00:28:22.480
was his favorite vampire book. By the way, Steve

00:28:22.480 –> 00:28:25.240
Niles is a genius. He’s really cool and really

00:28:25.240 –> 00:28:27.839
smart. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah. He

00:28:27.839 –> 00:28:30.039
you guys love them, right? Oh, yeah, it was so

00:28:30.039 –> 00:28:33.619
nice He is one of the even when he did arbitration,

00:28:34.039 –> 00:28:36.339
you know that I’ve interviewed Steve a couple

00:28:36.339 –> 00:28:38.759
times for Frank Gloria and one of his wives was

00:28:38.759 –> 00:28:41.700
from Michigan so when I first talked to him,

00:28:41.740 –> 00:28:45.539
he was married to a girl from Michigan and I

00:28:45.539 –> 00:28:49.759
wrote the cool thing about him is He is so laid

00:28:49.759 –> 00:28:53.900
back. He’s so not a horror guy with his soul

00:28:53.900 –> 00:28:56.839
patch and everything. He should be a jazz DJ

00:28:56.839 –> 00:29:00.359
in Santa Monica, but he’s he’s one of the smartest

00:29:00.359 –> 00:29:02.759
guys and you read his books. Did you ever read

00:29:02.759 –> 00:29:05.140
the most obscure of his books? But I love it.

00:29:05.140 –> 00:29:09.000
He did a horror comic called Giant Monster. I

00:29:09.000 –> 00:29:10.519
didn’t read that one. I have not read that one.

00:29:10.660 –> 00:29:14.519
It’s an astronaut goes to space 50 setup comes

00:29:14.519 –> 00:29:18.180
back a giant monster. And they’re trying to calm

00:29:18.180 –> 00:29:20.680
him down when he’s destroying everything. So

00:29:20.680 –> 00:29:23.839
they get his a sponsor and somebody makes the

00:29:23.839 –> 00:29:27.220
mistake of bringing in his ex wife, which, you

00:29:27.220 –> 00:29:29.039
know, with the megaphone to talk to him, which

00:29:29.039 –> 00:29:33.680
only makes the monster rage even more. And with

00:29:33.680 –> 00:29:37.619
Matheson, Matheson was somebody you’d read. I’ve

00:29:37.619 –> 00:29:39.539
read all his books. I’d seen his twides. Oh,

00:29:39.559 –> 00:29:43.099
and I love Kulsak. So when we interviewed Matheson.

00:29:43.279 –> 00:29:46.519
I was in college and my cute girlfriend Lisa

00:29:46.519 –> 00:29:50.039
came along. She was my photographer. And my big

00:29:50.039 –> 00:29:52.619
brother and I are asking all these sincere questions.

00:29:53.200 –> 00:29:55.539
And he’s starting out the interview kind of cold.

00:29:55.779 –> 00:29:59.009
He felt cold towards us. And then Lisa would

00:29:59.009 –> 00:30:01.329
ask something like, how did you think of the

00:30:01.329 –> 00:30:03.529
Incredible Shrinking Man? And I’m thinking, oh

00:30:03.529 –> 00:30:05.990
my God, he’s gonna kill her. And he would be,

00:30:06.509 –> 00:30:09.450
instead he was warming up. He was so used to

00:30:09.450 –> 00:30:12.450
being interviewed by teenage boys, having a cute

00:30:12.450 –> 00:30:14.369
girl talk to him and ask him about his work.

00:30:14.809 –> 00:30:16.829
Even if it was something as obvious as how did

00:30:16.829 –> 00:30:18.289
you come up with the Incredible Shrinking Man?

00:30:18.720 –> 00:30:22.240
He was excited by her questions. This is why

00:30:22.240 –> 00:30:27.119
we had to happen. It’s very disarming. I have

00:30:27.119 –> 00:30:30.980
known my place my whole life. But you can see

00:30:30.980 –> 00:30:34.759
him warm up. Lisa would ask him, how did you

00:30:34.759 –> 00:30:37.019
come up with that one twines a little girl lost?

00:30:37.480 –> 00:30:40.299
And he would excitedly tell her in great detail.

00:30:40.740 –> 00:30:43.660
He warmed up to Tom and I, but boy, oh, boy,

00:30:43.720 –> 00:30:45.960
he was frigid in the beginning, except to her.

00:30:46.480 –> 00:30:49.400
So towards the end of it, he actually warmed

00:30:49.400 –> 00:30:52.740
up and he was laughing, but he’s kind of Norwegian

00:30:52.740 –> 00:30:55.299
and stuff, so he wasn’t really big on laughter.

00:30:56.339 –> 00:30:58.799
And what’s kind of cool is he’s in my first book

00:30:58.799 –> 00:31:03.460
talking about his original drafts of Jaws 3D.

00:31:03.619 –> 00:31:07.539
His son, RC Matheson, is in my second book, because

00:31:07.539 –> 00:31:10.380
he was the story editor, he wasn’t story editor,

00:31:10.460 –> 00:31:13.240
but he wrote the best episodes of the Incredible

00:31:13.240 –> 00:31:16.519
Hulk TV series. And, and he used to write short

00:31:16.519 –> 00:31:19.980
stories for Twins of Magazine. And he was a good,

00:31:20.019 –> 00:31:22.079
he’s a good writer. He’s, he’s, you know what

00:31:22.079 –> 00:31:24.980
I mean? People don’t know this, but his other

00:31:24.980 –> 00:31:28.359
son co -created Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure,

00:31:28.559 –> 00:31:32.579
Chris Matheson. So he put San Dimas on the map.

00:31:33.519 –> 00:31:37.779
Right. So Pat, you’ve written books for Jaws,

00:31:37.980 –> 00:31:41.059
right? The Incredible Hulk? Yeah. Just when you

00:31:41.059 –> 00:31:43.400
thought it was safe for Jaws companion, you wouldn’t

00:31:43.400 –> 00:31:46.019
like me when I’m angry, an Incredible Hulk companion.

00:31:46.839 –> 00:31:49.779
Buck Rogers in the 25th century, a TV companion.

00:31:50.319 –> 00:31:52.819
And just to mix things up, greatest American

00:31:52.819 –> 00:31:57.460
hero, the TV companion. And so you, I don’t know

00:31:57.460 –> 00:31:58.900
if this is putting the cat out of the bag. So

00:31:58.900 –> 00:32:02.819
now you’re tackling Kolchak. You know what? If

00:32:02.819 –> 00:32:04.579
I’m going to tell anyone, Pedro, it’s going to

00:32:04.579 –> 00:32:07.279
start with you because you’re my teammate on

00:32:07.279 –> 00:32:09.980
our unnameable team. By the way, here’s a fun

00:32:09.980 –> 00:32:13.039
fact. We won’t be naming it here. But I said,

00:32:13.039 –> 00:32:15.539
if any of you can come up with a name more offensive

00:32:15.539 –> 00:32:17.660
than Stephen King’s Children of the Porn will

00:32:17.660 –> 00:32:21.440
do it. And our name is so offensive, we can’t

00:32:21.440 –> 00:32:24.759
name it. You have to come to horror trivia. If

00:32:24.759 –> 00:32:28.180
you we literally one of our teammates tried to

00:32:28.180 –> 00:32:30.240
mention one of our victories and use the team’s

00:32:30.240 –> 00:32:32.740
full name and immediately got blocked by Facebook

00:32:32.740 –> 00:32:37.579
police. So I my promise to the team was if you

00:32:37.579 –> 00:32:40.480
guys can out offend Stephen King’s children of

00:32:40.480 –> 00:32:44.319
the point, they went about five miles past offensive.

00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:48.160
But the good news is, yeah, I’ve interviewed.

00:32:49.380 –> 00:32:53.410
Well, I have Matheson, of course, I have I have

00:32:53.410 –> 00:32:58.269
over 14 in the Monsters. I have the Night Strangler

00:32:58.269 –> 00:33:01.849
himself. I grabbed Richard Henderson. I have

00:33:01.849 –> 00:33:04.970
the female vampire hooker Catherine Rollins played

00:33:04.970 –> 00:33:08.569
by a wonderful actress dancer with great stories.

00:33:08.950 –> 00:33:11.670
I’ve got Richard Kiel on playing the Diablero

00:33:11.670 –> 00:33:16.089
and playing the Diablero and he played the swamp

00:33:16.089 –> 00:33:17.990
monster which is the one that messed me up as

00:33:17.990 –> 00:33:21.250
a small child. I remember my father telling me,

00:33:21.309 –> 00:33:24.029
there’s no goddamn swamp monster in the basement

00:33:24.029 –> 00:33:26.750
and the show takes place in Chicago. Then when

00:33:26.750 –> 00:33:29.150
I interviewed Richard Keele years later, he informed

00:33:29.150 –> 00:33:32.490
me that he was a native Detroiter as well. So

00:33:32.490 –> 00:33:34.809
my father was wrong. The swamp monster was from

00:33:34.809 –> 00:33:37.529
Detroit. He just wasn’t hiding in our septic

00:33:37.529 –> 00:33:40.109
tank in the basement. Well, so for for people

00:33:40.109 –> 00:33:41.670
like me who aren’t that familiar with Kolchek,

00:33:41.710 –> 00:33:43.549
you want to explain a little bit about Kolchek

00:33:43.549 –> 00:33:47.259
and what? It’s the father of the X -Files. And

00:33:47.259 –> 00:33:50.140
I have an interview in the book with Chris Carter,

00:33:50.400 –> 00:33:52.480
the creator of the X -Files, and he literally

00:33:52.480 –> 00:33:58.140
says, this is where I got the X -Files. And he’s

00:33:58.140 –> 00:34:01.759
been very generous with acknowledging that. The

00:34:01.759 –> 00:34:04.140
shows are nothing alike, except that they’re

00:34:04.140 –> 00:34:08.579
funding monsters. But by doing that, he’s given

00:34:08.579 –> 00:34:12.099
Kolchak Coleshack was written off by pop culture.

00:34:12.440 –> 00:34:15.159
Stephen King trashes the show and dance for cop.

00:34:15.539 –> 00:34:18.500
He likes the first TV movies by Matheson, but

00:34:18.500 –> 00:34:21.219
he wrongly craps on the show. And one of his

00:34:21.219 –> 00:34:23.659
least favorite episodes turned out to be the

00:34:23.659 –> 00:34:26.539
running debut of Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale, which

00:34:26.539 –> 00:34:29.780
is where Coleshack battles a headless motorcyclist

00:34:29.780 –> 00:34:32.599
to his bed in the fifties. And what happened

00:34:32.599 –> 00:34:35.900
from that episode when Steven Spielberg was running

00:34:35.900 –> 00:34:38.860
poltergeist, he contacted Zemeckis and Gale.

00:34:39.400 –> 00:34:43.320
and said, hey, it’s a new house. I don’t know

00:34:43.320 –> 00:34:47.300
why it’s haunted. You guys got any ideas? And

00:34:47.300 –> 00:34:50.119
they said, let’s borrow from our coal shack and

00:34:50.119 –> 00:34:53.000
have them move the graves, but not in the coal

00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:55.639
shack. The headless biker, his head goes one

00:34:55.639 –> 00:35:00.159
way and his body goes another. So they did that

00:35:00.159 –> 00:35:02.659
for road work in Chicago. They move the, you

00:35:02.659 –> 00:35:05.340
know, so they do the same thing. They move the

00:35:05.340 –> 00:35:07.340
graves, but they don’t. They move the markers,

00:35:07.400 –> 00:35:10.699
but they don’t move the graves. And so that became

00:35:10.699 –> 00:35:14.719
the basis for poltergeist, you know? And so poltergeist

00:35:14.719 –> 00:35:18.380
owes its origins to Kolchak in a way. That’s

00:35:18.380 –> 00:35:22.360
interesting. And Matheson did the first two TV

00:35:22.360 –> 00:35:26.019
movies and he went, he told me in 1970, they

00:35:26.019 –> 00:35:28.099
went to Seattle and they did the Underground

00:35:28.099 –> 00:35:31.519
City. And when they did the Underground City,

00:35:31.679 –> 00:35:33.940
he thought, This would be a hell of a setting

00:35:33.940 –> 00:35:36.739
for a new Colshack. And because the original

00:35:36.739 –> 00:35:39.579
Colshack TV movie was the highest rated movie

00:35:39.579 –> 00:35:43.840
of all time until the day after, you know, the

00:35:43.840 –> 00:35:48.059
Nick Meyer movie about World War Three. So until

00:35:48.059 –> 00:35:50.719
that, you know, when he had to do the sequel,

00:35:50.800 –> 00:35:54.639
he decided to do it in Seattle. He left before

00:35:54.639 –> 00:35:57.400
the TV series because Dan Curtis wasn’t involved

00:35:57.400 –> 00:36:02.460
with it. What was great about this is I would

00:36:02.460 –> 00:36:04.679
write in college, I would write for different

00:36:04.679 –> 00:36:07.599
magazines, Starlog, Fangoria, Wizard, all that

00:36:07.599 –> 00:36:12.179
stuff. And Starlog was obsessed with getting

00:36:12.179 –> 00:36:15.500
every Star Trek actor. And I didn’t give a crap

00:36:15.500 –> 00:36:19.019
about Star Trek, but I knew if I told them I

00:36:19.019 –> 00:36:21.059
don’t want to talk to the people, I don’t want

00:36:21.059 –> 00:36:23.920
to talk to the regulars, I want the guest stars.

00:36:24.539 –> 00:36:27.179
Because all of the guest stars had done my favorite

00:36:27.179 –> 00:36:30.400
shows as a kid, The Incredible Hulk, Buck Rogers,

00:36:30.579 –> 00:36:33.219
the greatest American hero, and the best of the

00:36:33.219 –> 00:36:36.519
best were the ones who did Colshack. And when

00:36:36.519 –> 00:36:40.039
I found Suzanne Charney, Suzanne Charney, who

00:36:40.039 –> 00:36:44.659
was the female vampire, her stories are so amazing.

00:36:44.739 –> 00:36:48.099
I cannot wait for you guys to read it. So Colshack

00:36:48.099 –> 00:36:49.940
was one of those things. I remember as a kid,

00:36:50.440 –> 00:36:52.900
you’d have sleepovers during the CBS late movie

00:36:52.900 –> 00:36:55.019
on a Friday night because they’d show Colshack.

00:36:55.130 –> 00:36:57.590
And then they show some shock you were too young

00:36:57.590 –> 00:37:00.489
to see in a theater like Beyond the Door, The

00:37:00.489 –> 00:37:02.510
Man or Two, any crap like that. You’ve got to

00:37:02.510 –> 00:37:04.510
watch on the CBS late movie, Creature of a Black

00:37:04.510 –> 00:37:06.789
Lake, which is actually pretty good, Shopping

00:37:06.789 –> 00:37:10.869
Dean Cundy. So you would be so, so Koleshak,

00:37:11.429 –> 00:37:15.530
when this is the main argument in my book, I’m

00:37:15.530 –> 00:37:18.590
argued Koleshak was very, very influential on

00:37:18.590 –> 00:37:21.809
future horror. The last episode of the series,

00:37:21.889 –> 00:37:24.690
which was shot by Seymour Robbie, who was this

00:37:24.690 –> 00:37:28.389
hack who did Land of the Giants and Lost in Space,

00:37:29.409 –> 00:37:31.610
it’s, tell me if this sounds familiar, it’s an

00:37:31.610 –> 00:37:34.750
egg -laying reptile eating miners in a tunnel,

00:37:36.110 –> 00:37:38.590
you know? And then the creature grows to enormous

00:37:38.590 –> 00:37:42.929
size. It’s the last episode of Colshack is basically

00:37:42.929 –> 00:37:46.730
alien. And by the way, Alien starred Tom Skerritt,

00:37:46.809 –> 00:37:50.050
who happened to star as a politician who sells

00:37:50.050 –> 00:37:52.469
the soul of the devil on Kolshek the Night Stalker.

00:37:52.949 –> 00:37:55.989
He’s in a great episode called The Devil’s Platform.

00:37:58.170 –> 00:38:00.510
The story editor on Kolshek the Night Stalker

00:38:00.510 –> 00:38:03.429
is David Chase, who created The Sopranos. There’s

00:38:03.429 –> 00:38:08.219
an episode of The Sopranos where… where the angry

00:38:08.219 –> 00:38:12.139
guy from Casino, I mean, Goodfellas, Spider,

00:38:12.320 –> 00:38:16.099
what’s his name in the show? He’s the one, the

00:38:16.099 –> 00:38:19.679
regular, the young punk, Michael, the young punk

00:38:19.679 –> 00:38:22.960
on Sopranos and his girlfriend are disposing

00:38:22.960 –> 00:38:27.059
of a body. And the body is, and during that,

00:38:27.179 –> 00:38:30.679
while they’re disposing of the body, David Chase’s

00:38:30.679 –> 00:38:32.940
episode of Colshack the Werewolf plays in the

00:38:32.940 –> 00:38:36.920
background. And the great thing is, I’ve been

00:38:36.920 –> 00:38:39.800
going to storage and pulling out these old boxes

00:38:39.800 –> 00:38:44.340
I have of all my work to suss out a paragraph

00:38:44.340 –> 00:38:48.559
or two on Kull Shack. And it’s really quite exciting.

00:38:49.179 –> 00:38:53.559
So there’s another episode of Kull Shack written

00:38:53.559 –> 00:38:57.199
by David Chase, his own personal favorite, the

00:38:57.199 –> 00:39:00.099
one that terrified me, where there’s a swamp

00:39:00.099 –> 00:39:03.420
man, a guy in a coma in a sleep study experiment.

00:39:04.099 –> 00:39:07.239
remembers this boogeyman from his Cajun childhood.

00:39:07.360 –> 00:39:09.340
So it’s running around Chicago, actually, New

00:39:09.340 –> 00:39:11.760
York Street on the Universal Backlot, killing

00:39:11.760 –> 00:39:15.099
people. And it’s basically a nightmare on Elm

00:39:15.099 –> 00:39:17.820
Street. You know what I mean? I mean, the very

00:39:17.820 –> 00:39:22.059
best episode, the very best episode is called

00:39:22.059 –> 00:39:24.599
Horror in the Heights. You could have made it

00:39:24.599 –> 00:39:27.920
today. It could have been in X -Files. And if

00:39:27.920 –> 00:39:30.019
you’re going to look at any episode of the series,

00:39:30.599 –> 00:39:32.920
I would urge to start with that. Horror in the

00:39:32.920 –> 00:39:36.250
Heights. There’s an elderly Jewish neighborhood,

00:39:37.110 –> 00:39:39.170
and now swastikas are appearing all over the

00:39:39.170 –> 00:39:42.650
neighborhood, and older folks are dying violently.

00:39:43.429 –> 00:39:47.809
And what happens is everyone thinks it’s neo

00:39:47.809 –> 00:39:50.710
-Nazis or something, and it’s actually this Hindu

00:39:50.710 –> 00:39:53.530
demon that’s moved into the neighborhood, and

00:39:53.530 –> 00:39:55.670
it takes the form of the person you trust the

00:39:55.670 –> 00:39:58.969
most. It’s a great episode. So when I was running

00:39:58.969 –> 00:40:01.570
for Starlog, they were doing a big directors

00:40:01.570 –> 00:40:05.170
issue. And they said, we don’t care what TV director

00:40:05.170 –> 00:40:07.789
you talk to, find somebody. So I interviewed

00:40:07.789 –> 00:40:10.849
Robert Shearer, who directed the one with the

00:40:10.849 –> 00:40:14.909
ape man running around Chicago. He directed Primal

00:40:14.909 –> 00:40:18.929
Scream. But I found Michael Caffe, really wonderful

00:40:18.929 –> 00:40:22.849
TV director. Every one of his shows was the most

00:40:22.849 –> 00:40:25.110
interesting episode of that respective series.

00:40:25.690 –> 00:40:29.280
He directed Horror in the Heights. And I was

00:40:29.280 –> 00:40:31.840
stunned. Him and his wife, really nice people.

00:40:31.980 –> 00:40:34.280
They lived out in Grundale. They were like an

00:40:34.280 –> 00:40:36.239
older version of my parents. You know what I

00:40:36.239 –> 00:40:38.079
mean? I mean, you know, they never said damn

00:40:38.079 –> 00:40:41.460
in their life. Very nice people. But he’s the

00:40:41.460 –> 00:40:46.880
father of Gogo’s singer, bassist, Charlotte Caffe.

00:40:47.300 –> 00:40:50.320
And he was the one who directed that. He’s the

00:40:50.320 –> 00:40:52.840
one who directed that Kolchak episode. Wow. We

00:40:52.840 –> 00:40:54.119
were just talking about the Go -Go’s earlier.

00:40:55.159 –> 00:40:57.920
No, but seriously, I did not know that. I’m like

00:40:57.920 –> 00:41:02.099
Amazon. I’m always listening. But he was, he

00:41:02.099 –> 00:41:04.480
had never talked to anyone about that episode.

00:41:05.320 –> 00:41:07.360
So he gave me a ton of stories. He also worked

00:41:07.360 –> 00:41:10.539
on Briscoe County. Big fan. He loved Bruce Campbell.

00:41:10.760 –> 00:41:14.179
He directed Wild Wild West, but he directed all

00:41:14.179 –> 00:41:16.969
these. You know, bangers and reruns, there was

00:41:16.969 –> 00:41:18.909
stuff you would watch and it was always your

00:41:18.909 –> 00:41:21.110
favorite episode of that rerun. You know what

00:41:21.110 –> 00:41:24.750
I mean? I mean, but horror in the Heights, he

00:41:24.750 –> 00:41:26.869
said the monster kind of looked crappy to him.

00:41:27.590 –> 00:41:31.750
So he would have the guy. It would be a rabbi.

00:41:31.809 –> 00:41:34.010
It would be a cop. Anybody, the older couple,

00:41:34.369 –> 00:41:36.510
older people he was, it was fitting on with trust,

00:41:36.909 –> 00:41:39.329
but they would have this terrible baboon creature

00:41:39.329 –> 00:41:42.969
shot from behind coming up to you. And it was

00:41:42.969 –> 00:41:47.030
intensely terrifying. I mean, the show was brilliant

00:41:47.030 –> 00:41:51.090
and it would go away and would come back. And

00:41:51.090 –> 00:41:55.309
this is why it was perfect to do a book on. It’s

00:41:55.309 –> 00:41:58.510
one of those shows that it would disappear and

00:41:58.510 –> 00:42:00.789
then it would reappear when you least expected

00:42:00.789 –> 00:42:04.110
it. You know what I mean? And all my books, I

00:42:04.110 –> 00:42:06.469
wanted to do something there had never been a

00:42:06.469 –> 00:42:08.489
book on. There had never been a book on all four

00:42:08.489 –> 00:42:11.559
Jaws movies. There never been a book on the Incredible

00:42:11.559 –> 00:42:14.619
Hulk. And the reason why is my book is two pounds.

00:42:15.500 –> 00:42:17.519
It was one of those things. It was like it was

00:42:17.519 –> 00:42:20.199
like the Vietnam War, man. Once you’re into it,

00:42:20.239 –> 00:42:23.780
it’s a long, you’re not getting out of it anytime

00:42:23.780 –> 00:42:28.139
soon. Yeah. And I mean, once you start and with

00:42:28.139 –> 00:42:30.659
Greatest American Hero, which I started during

00:42:30.659 –> 00:42:34.679
COVID thinking it would be a lark. It was it.

00:42:35.739 –> 00:42:39.889
Everybody from that show would contact me. They

00:42:39.889 –> 00:42:42.090
would hear from a friend, hey, I just got interviewed

00:42:42.090 –> 00:42:44.489
about The Greatest American Hero. They would

00:42:44.489 –> 00:42:46.829
contact me and want to talk, and I said, please,

00:42:46.869 –> 00:42:48.750
please, let me get my Stephen J. Connell stories

00:42:48.750 –> 00:42:52.210
in. And I remember my sister and my brother -in

00:42:52.210 –> 00:42:55.210
-law, Diane and Jim, were in town, and when they

00:42:55.210 –> 00:42:58.349
were here, every time the phone rang, they would

00:42:58.349 –> 00:43:00.489
make a joke that someone from Greatest American

00:43:00.489 –> 00:43:03.159
Hero wants to talk to you. And I, you know, for

00:43:03.159 –> 00:43:05.340
the week they were there, I would go shut up

00:43:05.340 –> 00:43:08.179
because it always was. People would hear from

00:43:08.179 –> 00:43:10.320
a friend of a friend. They said, you got to get

00:43:10.320 –> 00:43:13.719
my stories in there. And they were right. Everybody’s

00:43:13.719 –> 00:43:16.219
stories were compelling. But it was one of those

00:43:16.219 –> 00:43:17.980
things where it was like the never ending story.

00:43:18.019 –> 00:43:21.139
I couldn’t finish it because people kept contacting

00:43:21.139 –> 00:43:23.980
me out of the blue. And it’s like eventually.

00:43:24.019 –> 00:43:26.519
And I, I could tell you, but I’m not going through

00:43:26.519 –> 00:43:28.360
the two people who called me after the book went

00:43:28.360 –> 00:43:31.489
to press. I was heartbroken. Their stories were

00:43:31.489 –> 00:43:33.829
okay, not as good as the ones in the book. But

00:43:33.829 –> 00:43:36.670
I’m like, it could be in the book. Yeah, well,

00:43:36.730 –> 00:43:39.510
it’s for the, you know, the reissue that like

00:43:39.510 –> 00:43:43.969
updated re -release. Greatest American hero.

00:43:44.590 –> 00:43:49.070
I slept with a copy of the book for like two

00:43:49.070 –> 00:43:52.550
weeks because I had a recurring nightmare. I

00:43:52.550 –> 00:43:54.550
had a recurring nightmare that it was still writing

00:43:54.550 –> 00:43:57.309
it. And so I would wake up at like three in the

00:43:57.309 –> 00:44:00.190
morning and grab the book and show me, go right

00:44:00.190 –> 00:44:03.409
back to sleep. But it was like, it was this terrible,

00:44:03.449 –> 00:44:05.289
it was like Donald Duck in mathematics land.

00:44:05.429 –> 00:44:07.449
You would have this, all you could see are words

00:44:07.449 –> 00:44:09.949
and numbers and you’d wake up, see the book there

00:44:09.949 –> 00:44:15.039
and go back to sleep. Human encyclopedia pat.

00:44:15.039 –> 00:44:18.139
Oh, thank you It always impresses me how much

00:44:18.139 –> 00:44:21.420
like crazy stories and yeah up there, but you’re

00:44:21.420 –> 00:44:24.320
not just an encyclopedia You are an actor as

00:44:24.320 –> 00:44:28.380
well. I Am I got my sad card from David Lynch

00:44:28.380 –> 00:44:31.659
I wrote a commercial with my brother Tom Jankiewicz

00:44:31.659 –> 00:44:34.280
who wrote cross point blank and he was a big

00:44:34.280 –> 00:44:38.980
rewrite guy and my brother Don We wrote a commercial

00:44:38.980 –> 00:44:41.760
for David Lynch and then David Lynch brought

00:44:41.760 –> 00:44:44.579
it I said, Donald and I had to read for it. Tom

00:44:44.579 –> 00:44:47.800
was out of town. And David Lynch hired me to

00:44:47.800 –> 00:44:51.300
do the commercial. And that got me my SAG card.

00:44:51.400 –> 00:44:54.380
And then for a while, I didn’t realize it was

00:44:54.380 –> 00:44:56.820
a really good thing. I eventually got a commercial

00:44:56.820 –> 00:44:59.860
agent and I’ve done over 50 commercials. I’ve

00:44:59.860 –> 00:45:02.639
done commercials for Geico. I’ve done commercials

00:45:02.639 –> 00:45:08.519
for Dippin’ Dots. I was on Burger King, 80 feet

00:45:08.519 –> 00:45:12.860
in the air, not too far from here. I was 80 feet

00:45:12.860 –> 00:45:15.460
above the Van De Kamp’s bakery when they hollowed

00:45:15.460 –> 00:45:19.119
it out. I was sitting on a girder with another

00:45:19.119 –> 00:45:21.739
guy while the Burger King came down on another

00:45:21.739 –> 00:45:24.579
girder. Real girders. This wasn’t CG. We were

00:45:24.579 –> 00:45:27.960
80 feet in the air and Burger King came down

00:45:27.960 –> 00:45:31.820
to give us a whopper. I remember that commercial.

00:45:32.380 –> 00:45:35.840
That’s crazy. The great thing about that commercial

00:45:35.840 –> 00:45:39.460
is… This beautiful girl comes up and she goes

00:45:39.460 –> 00:45:42.760
I brought you both a spit bucket And the other

00:45:42.760 –> 00:45:45.139
guy had like a bunch of hamburger to have spent

00:45:45.139 –> 00:45:48.019
in the bucket and she goes Where are your half

00:45:48.019 –> 00:45:55.860
-eaten hamburgers? I just rubbed my belly Where

00:45:55.860 –> 00:45:58.059
for those listening at home if you saw a pad

00:45:58.059 –> 00:46:00.760
it would be a lot funnier because he’s he’s very

00:46:00.760 –> 00:46:02.760
large not like You’re not like overweight, but

00:46:02.760 –> 00:46:08.360
you’re just big you’re a big guy Wow, and yeah,

00:46:08.420 –> 00:46:10.559
I mean people would have seen you in things They

00:46:10.559 –> 00:46:12.840
don’t realize like you you were in the rundown.

00:46:12.840 –> 00:46:17.960
You were in I’m going to in the run My brother

00:46:17.960 –> 00:46:20.500
will not stop reminding me that he’s going one

00:46:20.500 –> 00:46:25.539
which is Well, um, yeah, the the weird thing

00:46:25.539 –> 00:46:29.480
is well that was that was a story in itself because

00:46:29.480 –> 00:46:33.199
I spent like six months watching David Fincher

00:46:33.199 –> 00:46:36.360
and And you always hear people talking about

00:46:36.360 –> 00:46:39.179
David Fincher, and they always make him sound

00:46:39.179 –> 00:46:43.320
like evil. He’s not evil. He wears a black Nike

00:46:43.320 –> 00:46:47.300
cap. He’s sardonic. The cool thing about him

00:46:47.300 –> 00:46:50.440
is he’s very sardonic. When he says that the

00:46:50.440 –> 00:46:52.360
crew would walk through fire for him, because

00:46:52.360 –> 00:46:55.539
he’s a very cool dude, he’s very, very cool.

00:46:55.639 –> 00:46:58.460
And he’ll be very sardonic. If he’s sending up

00:46:58.460 –> 00:47:01.480
a shot, he’ll say, Could I have at least one

00:47:01.480 –> 00:47:05.280
of my four set dressers out of this shot? And

00:47:05.280 –> 00:47:07.480
it was scrambled because they love him and he

00:47:07.480 –> 00:47:11.559
loves them and I mean and He to me that was kind

00:47:11.559 –> 00:47:14.500
of amazing You’re carrying meatloaf and they

00:47:14.500 –> 00:47:18.460
would bring in a 400 pound man instead of meatloaf

00:47:18.460 –> 00:47:20.039
You know what I mean? I mean we had to carry

00:47:20.039 –> 00:47:23.320
a real 400 pound man at one like he loved that

00:47:23.320 –> 00:47:27.880
Meatloaf would actually wear like a fat suit

00:47:28.110 –> 00:47:33.369
But you know who designed the fat suit? Rob Bateen.

00:47:33.969 –> 00:47:37.489
Now, if you know anything about Rob Bateen, Rob

00:47:37.489 –> 00:47:40.190
Bateen is the equivalent of Sasquatch. When you

00:47:40.190 –> 00:47:42.969
hear other makeup artists talk, he’s mysterious,

00:47:43.349 –> 00:47:47.349
he’ll disappear, he’ll just disappear. And I

00:47:47.349 –> 00:47:50.710
remember at Crafty, I grabbed a cruller at the

00:47:50.710 –> 00:47:53.920
same time Rob Bateen did. And, you know, we both

00:47:53.920 –> 00:47:55.840
grabbed the last card. It was like a meet -cute.

00:47:56.059 –> 00:47:58.280
Yeah, yeah. And I said, no, no, you can have

00:47:58.280 –> 00:48:00.699
it, Robertine. You’re Robertine. And he laughed.

00:48:01.500 –> 00:48:04.199
And the great thing is nobody gets to talk to

00:48:04.199 –> 00:48:06.719
Robertine. So I would talk to Robertine every

00:48:06.719 –> 00:48:09.579
day. And he finally said, you know, I’ve done

00:48:09.579 –> 00:48:11.960
more movies than Humanize in the Deep. I said,

00:48:12.059 –> 00:48:15.260
yeah, but that was my favorite. Because the monster

00:48:15.260 –> 00:48:18.949
looks so amazing. To me, it’s not that Robert

00:48:18.949 –> 00:48:21.449
team does something amazing on total recall with

00:48:21.449 –> 00:48:24.130
all the budget in the world. I’m more excited

00:48:24.130 –> 00:48:26.889
when he’s glue gunning in a river monster for

00:48:26.889 –> 00:48:30.309
Roger Corman with no money. And he took all his

00:48:30.309 –> 00:48:32.329
human rights money and plunged it into the fog.

00:48:32.809 –> 00:48:35.030
He’s one of those guys. You know what I mean?

00:48:35.150 –> 00:48:38.849
I mean, I remember when my dad was in town from

00:48:38.849 –> 00:48:41.309
Arizona and his secretary was in town and he

00:48:41.309 –> 00:48:44.349
wanted me to show around, you know, you take

00:48:44.349 –> 00:48:46.510
around all the sites, you know, show the Bronson

00:48:46.510 –> 00:48:49.809
Cave and all that. So I took them to Universal

00:48:49.809 –> 00:48:53.429
City Walk. And when we were at Universal City

00:48:53.429 –> 00:48:57.070
Walk, Rob Bateen said, hello. And I said, Rob,

00:48:57.210 –> 00:49:00.110
you’re supposed to be missing. I go, you’re not

00:49:00.110 –> 00:49:01.789
supposed to be at one of the biggest tourist

00:49:01.789 –> 00:49:04.630
traps in San Diego, California. And he laughed

00:49:04.630 –> 00:49:07.369
and he said, I’m not missing. I know where I

00:49:07.369 –> 00:49:11.239
am at all times. And my father was laughing because

00:49:11.239 –> 00:49:16.539
he’s very, Rob’s very tall, like we are. And

00:49:16.539 –> 00:49:18.780
my dad was teasing him. He goes, like an older,

00:49:18.920 –> 00:49:22.079
hairier version of one of my sons. And he was

00:49:22.079 –> 00:49:23.940
very cold, my pop. And it was, you know what

00:49:23.940 –> 00:49:26.960
I mean? I mean, you know, my dad’s from Detroit

00:49:26.960 –> 00:49:29.920
and RoboCop is sort of the patron saint of Detroit

00:49:29.920 –> 00:49:32.880
movies, even though it was completely shot in

00:49:32.880 –> 00:49:34.849
Dallas and Kaiser’s still here. You’re not supposed

00:49:34.849 –> 00:49:38.070
to say that. It’s our movie. Like, Dallas claims

00:49:38.070 –> 00:49:40.409
that is our movie. It is your movie. We’re like,

00:49:40.489 –> 00:49:42.510
no, no, no, no, no. Robocop is a Dallas movie.

00:49:42.510 –> 00:49:45.210
They will be very serious about taking it, too.

00:49:45.210 –> 00:49:47.309
And Houston. Because it even has a Houston sign.

00:49:47.329 –> 00:49:49.389
When you’re driving to Detroit, it says Houston,

00:49:49.389 –> 00:49:51.230
Texas. And they kept that in the movie, which

00:49:51.230 –> 00:49:55.170
is just bongos. There are eight seconds of Detroit

00:49:55.170 –> 00:49:58.210
in that movie. And it’s the OCP commercial at

00:49:58.210 –> 00:50:00.289
the very beginning. Yeah, but the scene with

00:50:00.289 –> 00:50:03.750
the melting toxic waste guy, that’s in Menesta.

00:50:03.659 –> 00:50:06.320
in Pennsylvania. Part of it is part of it. Part

00:50:06.320 –> 00:50:09.760
of it’s Kaiser steel. They I’ve talked to some

00:50:09.760 –> 00:50:12.860
RoboCop is when by the way, you guys don’t live

00:50:12.860 –> 00:50:16.059
too far away from you guys don’t live too far

00:50:16.059 –> 00:50:19.800
away from Ed Neumeyer who created RoboCop. And

00:50:19.800 –> 00:50:22.920
and you’re right. The lesson Pennsylvania deserves

00:50:22.920 –> 00:50:26.159
it to do. That’s where the Jesus analogy Paul

00:50:26.159 –> 00:50:28.800
Verhoeven will mention to you comes in. He literally

00:50:28.800 –> 00:50:31.280
if you watch the movie, he’s walking on water

00:50:31.280 –> 00:50:37.400
when he’s avenging himself at the ending. One

00:50:37.400 –> 00:50:42.239
of the great things about Ed Neumeyer is OCP

00:50:42.239 –> 00:50:47.579
is based on him being a studio exec in Universal

00:50:47.579 –> 00:50:51.099
Studios. When you look at the movie, basically

00:50:51.099 –> 00:50:54.039
the old man, the old man who I also interviewed,

00:50:54.219 –> 00:50:59.039
Daniel Hurley, is based on Lou Wasserman and

00:50:59.039 –> 00:51:04.219
Dick. Dick is based on Sid Sheinberg. You know,

00:51:04.380 –> 00:51:06.179
and they weren’t evil when he did the movie,

00:51:06.179 –> 00:51:09.000
but that’s the hierarchy he was doing. And if

00:51:09.000 –> 00:51:11.480
you watch the movie, he was looking out the window.

00:51:12.159 –> 00:51:14.539
He said he was looking out the window in the

00:51:14.539 –> 00:51:17.420
early eighties, you know, because he’s a studio

00:51:17.420 –> 00:51:21.159
exec. He’s bored stiff. And he sees a rain machine

00:51:21.159 –> 00:51:25.340
and he sees Harrison Ford and an overcoat running

00:51:25.340 –> 00:51:29.019
back and forth outside his window with a giant

00:51:29.019 –> 00:51:32.420
gun. And so when the meeting breaks up, he asks

00:51:32.420 –> 00:51:35.159
one of the grips, what’s the movie about? Oh,

00:51:35.300 –> 00:51:38.139
Harrison Ford plays a cop who shoots robots.

00:51:39.280 –> 00:51:42.719
And so he blended everything he was going through

00:51:42.719 –> 00:51:45.659
with Universal and everything else. And he came

00:51:45.659 –> 00:51:49.320
up with RoboCop, you know, and the heartbreak

00:51:49.320 –> 00:51:52.179
like for Stuart Gordon, Stuart Gordon was working

00:51:52.179 –> 00:51:54.800
on a movie forever called Robojocks, low budget

00:51:54.800 –> 00:51:57.440
movie. They kept running out of money and they’d

00:51:57.440 –> 00:51:58.860
shoot and they’d run out of money and shoot.

00:51:59.920 –> 00:52:03.219
took so long for Robojocks, which had the title

00:52:03.219 –> 00:52:07.599
first, to get released. When Robocop came out,

00:52:07.599 –> 00:52:11.179
even though Robojocks was first, they had to

00:52:11.179 –> 00:52:13.960
change their title to Robotjocks because they

00:52:13.960 –> 00:52:16.159
kept getting threatened by Orion that they were

00:52:16.159 –> 00:52:22.079
going to sue them. One of my college professors,

00:52:22.679 –> 00:52:25.239
Willard Pugh, is the mayor of Detroit and Robocop

00:52:25.239 –> 00:52:28.559
too. He’s also eaten in Hills Have Eyes too.

00:52:29.089 –> 00:52:32.269
He had great, great Robocop stories. Again, they

00:52:32.269 –> 00:52:34.949
never shot in Detroit. They didn’t shoot in your

00:52:34.949 –> 00:52:37.230
beloved Dallas and Robocop, too. They shot that

00:52:37.230 –> 00:52:39.010
in Houston, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s where

00:52:39.010 –> 00:52:40.530
you can see like the sign. Like I was saying,

00:52:40.750 –> 00:52:43.150
it actually, it says Houston, Texas, as they’re

00:52:43.150 –> 00:52:45.329
driving in the movie. And they kept that in.

00:52:45.610 –> 00:52:49.090
Wow. I remember hearing a story. I don’t think

00:52:49.090 –> 00:52:51.750
it was a story about you, but I think Peter first

00:52:51.750 –> 00:52:56.070
told me. But there’s some movie where you got

00:52:56.070 –> 00:53:01.719
the part because you ran weird. I’ll tell you,

00:53:01.840 –> 00:53:04.639
you know, I do a dog run where I can run as fast

00:53:04.639 –> 00:53:07.780
as the dog in all fours. And it’s one of those

00:53:07.780 –> 00:53:10.199
things when you when you audition for anything,

00:53:10.800 –> 00:53:13.000
they’ll ask you, is there anything you can do

00:53:13.000 –> 00:53:15.619
that no one else in the room can do? And when

00:53:15.619 –> 00:53:17.760
you tell them I can run as fast as a dog in all

00:53:17.760 –> 00:53:21.619
fours, they always challenge you. And so I remember

00:53:21.619 –> 00:53:25.599
I went out for Incubus. It’s a video called Talk

00:53:25.599 –> 00:53:29.230
Show on Mute. And I remember I almost left the,

00:53:29.309 –> 00:53:32.909
it was a long edition. Um, it was a long edition.

00:53:33.070 –> 00:53:35.690
It was about all the animals were walking on

00:53:35.690 –> 00:53:37.929
two legs and all the humans are kept as pets.

00:53:38.429 –> 00:53:41.690
And I were, I remember I was so mad because I

00:53:41.690 –> 00:53:44.190
got a parking ticket on Iver. It was, it was,

00:53:44.210 –> 00:53:47.530
it was by the, you know, and, and I was so mad.

00:53:47.590 –> 00:53:51.170
I almost went home and I thought, you know what?

00:53:51.289 –> 00:53:53.750
I’m going to stay because I’m not going to let

00:53:53.750 –> 00:53:56.929
some other son of a bitch get it because LA is

00:53:56.929 –> 00:54:00.250
so evil that they gave me a parking ticket. I

00:54:00.250 –> 00:54:04.289
put all my rage and for Zigamundi. She was the

00:54:04.289 –> 00:54:09.889
she directed the she directed them. What’s the

00:54:09.889 –> 00:54:14.150
band with Joan Jett? The Blackhearts before Cherry

00:54:14.150 –> 00:54:16.789
Bomb, the Runaways. She directed the Runaways

00:54:16.789 –> 00:54:19.769
movie. So she goes, what can you do that? No

00:54:19.769 –> 00:54:22.150
one can. I said I can run all fours. And she

00:54:22.150 –> 00:54:27.449
said. She said, what? And I said, back up, everyone

00:54:27.449 –> 00:54:29.590
back up five feet. And I did my four -legged

00:54:29.590 –> 00:54:32.670
run and they couldn’t keep me doing it on camera.

00:54:32.929 –> 00:54:35.809
I did, I also do it in a video for a band called

00:54:35.809 –> 00:54:39.230
Solution A .D. who are produced by a Pittsburgh

00:54:39.230 –> 00:54:44.510
band called Live. And they wound up, they wound

00:54:44.510 –> 00:54:47.210
up putting me on the cover of the single. And

00:54:47.210 –> 00:54:51.920
we shot that in the Hotel Roslyn. which is in

00:54:51.920 –> 00:54:55.079
seven and all these other things. So you see

00:54:55.079 –> 00:54:58.480
me running up and down the halls where Bela Lugosi

00:54:58.480 –> 00:55:01.260
used to live at one point, you know what I mean?

00:55:01.840 –> 00:55:06.960
And so when I did that, when I did that video,

00:55:07.639 –> 00:55:11.719
they came to the band played the Viper Room and

00:55:11.719 –> 00:55:14.059
I got this weird call from their manager saying,

00:55:14.219 –> 00:55:17.420
would you introduce them at the Viper Room? And

00:55:17.420 –> 00:55:20.139
it was, it was one of the kids from kids in the

00:55:20.139 –> 00:55:23.179
video. And I remember they kept making me slow

00:55:23.179 –> 00:55:25.619
down my four legged run because I was running

00:55:25.619 –> 00:55:29.460
faster than the panic. So they, they made me

00:55:29.460 –> 00:55:31.340
slow down a little bit. If you see the video,

00:55:31.340 –> 00:55:33.619
I have to slow down because I was out running

00:55:33.619 –> 00:55:36.719
their panic light. And I mean, we’re doing it

00:55:36.719 –> 00:55:41.440
in this crazy old timey hotel. And when we, when

00:55:41.440 –> 00:55:45.780
the, the weirder experience was. never been to

00:55:45.780 –> 00:55:48.519
the Viper room to introduce a band before. It

00:55:48.519 –> 00:55:51.400
was even smaller than this room. I had to bend

00:55:51.400 –> 00:55:54.400
my head. I remember when I came in and I thought

00:55:54.400 –> 00:55:56.800
Johnny Depp was in the video. No, it was his

00:55:56.800 –> 00:55:59.420
cub. He was just playing bartender. And he goes,

00:55:59.539 –> 00:56:01.579
what do you have big man? And I said, Stoli.

00:56:01.699 –> 00:56:04.219
And Johnny Depp poured me a Stoli and then it

00:56:04.219 –> 00:56:06.679
chugged it back. My uncle, my godfather, Uncle

00:56:06.679 –> 00:56:09.980
Chat, Shotka, his favorite drink. So I fired

00:56:09.980 –> 00:56:12.079
down a Stoli and he goes, want another? I said,

00:56:12.260 –> 00:56:15.599
yes. After two stories, you’re feeling no fear.

00:56:15.760 –> 00:56:19.139
I went up on stage. I had to bend my head down

00:56:19.139 –> 00:56:22.760
and introduce them. And I, I’d introduced Buckethead

00:56:22.760 –> 00:56:25.019
a couple of times. Buckethead was a family friend.

00:56:25.219 –> 00:56:28.760
And so I would introduce Buckethead at the, uh,

00:56:28.820 –> 00:56:30.639
but never at the Viper Room. So I introduced

00:56:30.639 –> 00:56:32.440
this band at the Viper Room. I had to bend my

00:56:32.440 –> 00:56:36.340
head down and it was, it was, it would play it

00:56:36.340 –> 00:56:38.480
on this a hundred year old show called Alternative

00:56:38.480 –> 00:56:41.570
Nation. and all these girls are running up and

00:56:41.570 –> 00:56:43.489
they thought I was the I thought it was the bad

00:56:43.489 –> 00:56:45.630
guy in the video but I was actually the sympathetic

00:56:45.630 –> 00:56:49.329
hero according to six girls so I was very happy

00:56:49.329 –> 00:56:51.929
though you know oh they won’t let you into their

00:56:51.929 –> 00:56:53.889
party I assumed it was because I was the creep

00:56:53.889 –> 00:56:58.610
next door but actually it was the underdog that’s

00:56:58.610 –> 00:57:01.809
a great story so pat you’ve also done monster

00:57:01.809 –> 00:57:04.320
roles right I, you know what? That’s something

00:57:04.320 –> 00:57:06.320
I got from coal shack. I would watch Richard

00:57:06.320 –> 00:57:09.340
kill, throwing cops around and I, I always thought

00:57:09.340 –> 00:57:12.579
it looked like fun. And so when I started doing

00:57:12.579 –> 00:57:15.719
mon, the great thing about doing monsters is

00:57:15.719 –> 00:57:19.440
I fell into it. I did it. I landed a Coca -Cola

00:57:19.440 –> 00:57:23.039
commercial called distant relatives where a guy

00:57:23.039 –> 00:57:26.340
is watching a football game. And you know, you

00:57:26.340 –> 00:57:29.139
don’t like when your relatives drop in. We drop

00:57:29.139 –> 00:57:32.769
in from 2 million years in the past and. Tom

00:57:32.769 –> 00:57:39.750
Berman did the make -up effects. Well, Tom Berman

00:57:39.750 –> 00:57:43.369
is an effing legend. He won every Emmy there

00:57:43.369 –> 00:57:48.269
is to win from, he did the Grey’s Anatomy, he

00:57:48.269 –> 00:57:53.110
did Nip Tuck, but more importantly, he did the

00:57:53.110 –> 00:57:55.440
Phantom. He did the Phantom of the Paradise in

00:57:55.440 –> 00:57:57.940
his teeth and helmet with his brother. He did

00:57:57.940 –> 00:58:02.599
Jaws, uncredited for James Bond. He did every

00:58:02.599 –> 00:58:05.619
horror movie you’ve ever seen. I’m a big fan

00:58:05.619 –> 00:58:08.920
of a killer bear movie called The Prophecy. He

00:58:08.920 –> 00:58:11.579
built the bear for The Prophecy. I remember going

00:58:11.579 –> 00:58:15.340
to the bathroom at Berman Studios, and I apologize

00:58:15.340 –> 00:58:17.420
to Vincent van Dyck, who now owns the effects

00:58:17.420 –> 00:58:23.230
studio, because I looked up and… he did the

00:58:23.230 –> 00:58:25.489
Devil’s Reign and I missed the urinal because

00:58:25.489 –> 00:58:28.329
I was so excited to see a framed Devil’s Reign

00:58:28.329 –> 00:58:32.510
poster hanging in the urinal. So, and it was

00:58:32.510 –> 00:58:35.170
Tom Berman is also, I don’t know if you know

00:58:35.170 –> 00:58:39.039
your Bigfoot cryptid history. Tom Berman is allegedly

00:58:39.039 –> 00:58:41.960
the Sasquatch in the Zapruder tape of Bigfoot

00:58:41.960 –> 00:58:44.340
films. The Patterson Gimlin film. Yeah, I know

00:58:44.340 –> 00:58:46.119
you’re talking about. It’s like the Super 8 one

00:58:46.119 –> 00:58:49.179
in the forest. Yeah, you’re shot in Bluff Creek.

00:58:50.059 –> 00:58:52.139
And didn’t they just like this like a couple

00:58:52.139 –> 00:58:54.340
of weeks ago? Yeah, there’s a documentary that

00:58:54.340 –> 00:58:56.320
just played Sith, the Seattle International Film

00:58:56.320 –> 00:58:58.840
Festival. And they’re saying it’s some bow -legged

00:58:58.840 –> 00:59:03.079
cowboy. But the rumor is it’s John Chambers.

00:59:03.400 –> 00:59:05.820
And I just did a story on video scope for this

00:59:05.820 –> 00:59:08.260
last year where I went up to every effects artist

00:59:08.260 –> 00:59:11.860
I knew to get a quote on doing Bigfoot and your

00:59:11.860 –> 00:59:14.280
beloved friend, Zach Krieger, who was very cool

00:59:14.280 –> 00:59:17.719
to talk to me. Zach Krieger goes, why would you

00:59:17.719 –> 00:59:19.900
ask me about this? I said, because my deadline

00:59:19.900 –> 00:59:23.500
is tomorrow and I need one more cool name. He

00:59:23.500 –> 00:59:26.480
goes, you know, I just produced a whole documentary

00:59:26.480 –> 00:59:30.949
about this. for Apple for Hulu. Yeah, for Hulu.

00:59:31.070 –> 00:59:34.230
Yeah, yeah. So I go, well, thank God, because

00:59:34.230 –> 00:59:37.449
Zack was on our Zack was on Stephen King’s Children

00:59:37.449 –> 00:59:40.969
of the Porn. And it was the week that which is

00:59:40.969 –> 00:59:44.150
the for for those listening, it’s the our horror

00:59:44.150 –> 00:59:47.309
or trivia team. And we got shellacked and he

00:59:47.309 –> 00:59:49.130
had the number one movie in the country. This

00:59:49.130 –> 00:59:52.809
is when Barbarian was out. And he leans over

00:59:52.809 –> 00:59:55.650
to me during the game and he goes, Zack, the

00:59:55.650 –> 00:59:58.480
great. of the Oscar -winning weapons and everything.

00:59:58.480 –> 01:00:01.900
He goes, these questions are hard. I said, Zach,

01:00:01.980 –> 01:00:03.760
at this point, I wouldn’t trust your answers

01:00:03.760 –> 01:00:07.579
in a barbarian round. He laughed and he said,

01:00:07.599 –> 01:00:12.960
fair. But I mean, so he had great stories. He

01:00:12.960 –> 01:00:16.119
thinks it’s the bow -legged cowboy, but everybody,

01:00:16.760 –> 01:00:20.440
all the make -up effects harness, I knew. Supposedly

01:00:20.440 –> 01:00:22.820
heard from somebody at Rick Baker’s that it was

01:00:22.820 –> 01:00:26.260
John Chambers. And the Bigfoot does look a lot

01:00:26.260 –> 01:00:28.800
like one that appears in Lost in Space, which

01:00:28.800 –> 01:00:32.460
would have been going on at the time. And I’ve

01:00:32.460 –> 01:00:35.519
done several creatures, Rob Berman, Tom’s son.

01:00:36.420 –> 01:00:39.219
And he goes, hey dad, he’s in the article too.

01:00:39.340 –> 01:00:42.480
He goes, hey dad, everyone is saying you’re the

01:00:42.480 –> 01:00:45.760
Bigfoot in 1967, you know, the Bigfoot famous

01:00:45.760 –> 01:00:49.199
eight millimeter footage. And he goes, yeah,

01:00:49.219 –> 01:00:51.340
I’ve heard that too. And he goes, that’s usually

01:00:51.340 –> 01:00:53.719
much more direct. So he thinks something’s up.

01:00:54.280 –> 01:00:57.460
So he wouldn’t even die. I’ve done several creatures

01:00:57.460 –> 01:01:01.119
for Tom Berman and Rob Berman. And Tom did plan

01:01:01.119 –> 01:01:03.599
of the apes at the time, just saying. So he would

01:01:03.599 –> 01:01:06.019
have been very familiar with simian masks and

01:01:06.019 –> 01:01:09.480
body shape. And I want to believe it’s real.

01:01:09.800 –> 01:01:13.559
I still want to believe it’s real. But I, again,

01:01:13.800 –> 01:01:16.460
having been a Bigfoot until you show me footage.

01:01:17.050 –> 01:01:19.590
Until you show me footage of Bigfoot with his

01:01:19.590 –> 01:01:21.889
head off pounding coffee like I did at the top

01:01:21.889 –> 01:01:25.030
of the Colorado Rockies, with Brian Thompson’s

01:01:25.030 –> 01:01:29.159
fake blood all over my face, they had… Until

01:01:29.159 –> 01:01:31.780
I see the Bigfoot with this mask off at crafty

01:01:31.780 –> 01:01:34.159
in any black and white picture I will not believe

01:01:34.159 –> 01:01:36.880
it’s fake until that you show me that picture

01:01:36.880 –> 01:01:39.500
I’ll believe because I mean they had this blood

01:01:39.500 –> 01:01:41.920
thing like a rain I killed the guy from Forest

01:01:41.920 –> 01:01:44.159
Cape spoiler alert which which movie are you

01:01:44.159 –> 01:01:47.320
talking about hoax okay copy we shot at the top

01:01:47.320 –> 01:01:49.960
of the the Colorado Rockies I break the leg of

01:01:49.960 –> 01:01:56.420
some girl who was in What’s the Philadelphia

01:01:56.420 –> 01:01:58.519
show called? It’s always Sonny and Philadelphia.

01:01:58.599 –> 01:02:00.820
That’s the one. Thank you. So I break a guest

01:02:00.820 –> 01:02:06.780
star her leg and I kill Brian Thompson and I

01:02:06.780 –> 01:02:09.380
kill Ben Browder. You cannot kill Brian Thompson.

01:02:09.460 –> 01:02:12.219
I do. He lives forever. The great thing is…

01:02:11.840 –> 01:02:13.840
When we’re shooting at the ending and he’s in

01:02:13.840 –> 01:02:16.079
my favorite is my second favorite movie of all

01:02:16.079 –> 01:02:19.659
time, which is Miracle Mile. Miracle Mile is

01:02:19.659 –> 01:02:23.199
great, too. And so what happens is I haven’t

01:02:23.199 –> 01:02:25.519
been to the Colorado Rockies since I’m three.

01:02:26.159 –> 01:02:28.219
The stunt coordinator comes up and says, hey,

01:02:28.420 –> 01:02:29.940
fellas, as you can see, we’re losing the light.

01:02:30.179 –> 01:02:32.980
And it was that weird. It was that weird kind

01:02:32.980 –> 01:02:35.940
of sunrise where shafts of light are starting

01:02:35.940 –> 01:02:37.800
to punch through in the distance and they’re

01:02:37.800 –> 01:02:41.369
heading right for us. We’re doing, we’re at the

01:02:41.369 –> 01:02:43.889
top of the Colorado Rockies. There was all these

01:02:43.889 –> 01:02:48.269
crazy Dr. Seuss type trees. She goes, our Sinclair,

01:02:48.730 –> 01:02:51.769
she goes, fellas, we’re losing the light. She

01:02:51.769 –> 01:02:55.030
goes, that’s the, the, the river running 75 miles

01:02:55.030 –> 01:02:57.429
an hour. If either of you fall into it, we will

01:02:57.429 –> 01:02:59.250
not be able to see you rescue you and you will

01:02:59.250 –> 01:03:02.849
drown. She goes, so you’re, she, she literally

01:03:02.849 –> 01:03:05.769
says, you’ve got like two feet of wrestling action.

01:03:06.630 –> 01:03:10.110
And so we blocked it really fast. I said, Hey,

01:03:10.170 –> 01:03:11.829
Brian, I’m gonna do this, this and this. Okay.

01:03:11.949 –> 01:03:13.250
He goes, okay, I’m going to fight you here. And

01:03:13.250 –> 01:03:16.510
then I’m going to scream. And we got it. We got

01:03:16.510 –> 01:03:18.989
the last shot just before the shaft of light

01:03:18.989 –> 01:03:22.650
appeared over the, and it was literally, here’s

01:03:22.650 –> 01:03:26.110
a great story, by the way, where I was sharing

01:03:26.110 –> 01:03:28.750
a cabin with a guy named Bill months who did

01:03:28.750 –> 01:03:31.329
return to living dead. He did the original swamp

01:03:31.329 –> 01:03:33.309
thing. And he did one of my all time favorites,

01:03:33.449 –> 01:03:38.849
the Boogans. And I, and so On the set, before,

01:03:39.090 –> 01:03:41.150
we had this little cabin up in the Calvary on

01:03:41.150 –> 01:03:44.090
Rockies. And about 100 feet away from our cabin

01:03:44.090 –> 01:03:47.889
is a pioneer cemetery, wooden graves from the

01:03:47.889 –> 01:03:52.349
1800s, wooden grave markers. And every day I

01:03:52.349 –> 01:03:54.590
would walk into town to drink with the stunt

01:03:54.590 –> 01:03:56.289
crew. You know what I mean? I mean, it was a

01:03:56.289 –> 01:03:58.670
three mile walk and one of them half -bombed

01:03:58.670 –> 01:04:02.269
would drive you back. And I mean, I would go

01:04:02.269 –> 01:04:05.500
all over this town. It was the town. where Alfred

01:04:05.500 –> 01:04:08.880
Packer, the cannibal miner, murdered all the

01:04:08.880 –> 01:04:12.820
miners. And it was also the town where Trey Parker

01:04:12.820 –> 01:04:14.659
and the other Korean, Matt Stone. Yeah, you know,

01:04:14.679 –> 01:04:17.199
I own some land right outside of that town. Where?

01:04:17.480 –> 01:04:19.440
We were probably shooting it. Well, Fairplay

01:04:19.440 –> 01:04:25.000
is the name of the town that’s Breckenridge and

01:04:25.000 –> 01:04:27.079
maybe you’re thinking of Breckenridge. Anyways,

01:04:27.260 –> 01:04:29.739
that whole area. You’re very close. Breckenridge

01:04:29.739 –> 01:04:31.159
sounds familiar. Is that where the courthouse

01:04:31.159 –> 01:04:33.199
is? There’s a court us and fair play. I think

01:04:33.199 –> 01:04:34.960
there are different counties, but Breckenridge

01:04:34.960 –> 01:04:37.500
is like the ski town. Fair play is like where

01:04:37.500 –> 01:04:42.320
the old South Park ghost town is. And South Park

01:04:42.320 –> 01:04:44.440
is the name of the actual. And there’s a tourist

01:04:44.440 –> 01:04:46.659
trap, too. There’s a bunch of stores. But here’s

01:04:46.659 –> 01:04:49.780
the weird thing. So every day before, you know,

01:04:49.780 –> 01:04:51.519
they give you a poor DM and they’ll take you

01:04:51.519 –> 01:04:54.920
out. There was nowhere to go. So I would walk

01:04:54.920 –> 01:04:57.920
three miles into town, literally watching deer,

01:04:58.059 –> 01:05:01.440
watching bats every time I walk into town. It

01:05:01.440 –> 01:05:04.099
was just it was the bats would fly out of a cave

01:05:04.099 –> 01:05:07.000
just like Scooby Doo every day. So I would walk

01:05:07.000 –> 01:05:10.159
into town and the most famous guy in the town

01:05:10.159 –> 01:05:13.380
played Alfred Packer on the History Channel recreation.

01:05:14.119 –> 01:05:17.639
And so I’m the only guy my height in the town.

01:05:18.119 –> 01:05:21.219
And I remember I walked into the general store

01:05:21.219 –> 01:05:24.679
and she goes, Shug. are you the Bigfoot? And

01:05:24.679 –> 01:05:28.239
I go, yeah. So what happened is it costs six

01:05:28.239 –> 01:05:31.500
bucks to buy. I was buying these generic off

01:05:31.500 –> 01:05:33.880
-brand pop tarts. You know what I mean? Because

01:05:33.880 –> 01:05:36.280
regular pop tarts in this town, because it was

01:05:36.280 –> 01:05:40.400
so far up in the Rockies for $12. So I’m buying

01:05:40.400 –> 01:05:43.760
$6 and I fell in love with a local girl. There

01:05:43.760 –> 01:05:47.460
was a deer. When we’d come back in the crew van,

01:05:47.860 –> 01:05:50.000
she would meet us in the driveway and I would

01:05:50.000 –> 01:05:53.219
always feed her generic pop tarts. And by the

01:05:53.219 –> 01:05:57.579
way, we weren’t allowed to post. Bill and I give

01:05:57.579 –> 01:06:02.360
her a nickname. He would say, Pat, Jane Doe is

01:06:02.360 –> 01:06:04.780
waiting for you. At six in the morning, the night

01:06:04.780 –> 01:06:07.960
of the massacre, so much fake blood went through

01:06:07.960 –> 01:06:10.500
the nose of the Sasquatch mask. I look like I

01:06:10.500 –> 01:06:14.420
was in a drive by shooting. Half my face is bloody

01:06:14.420 –> 01:06:18.639
from fake blood. And we’re in a crew van at six

01:06:18.639 –> 01:06:20.659
in the morning and I’m still in the Bigfoot costume

01:06:20.659 –> 01:06:23.119
because every day The Bigfoot costume would be

01:06:23.119 –> 01:06:26.099
on our coffee table. I took all these amazing

01:06:26.099 –> 01:06:28.280
shots and I sent them to friends. This is like

01:06:28.280 –> 01:06:30.380
three phones ago, but we weren’t allowed to share

01:06:30.380 –> 01:06:33.519
them yet. So now that the movie’s out, I can’t

01:06:33.519 –> 01:06:36.320
find any of my damn photos. But Bill Munz took

01:06:36.320 –> 01:06:39.679
this great shot of me with half my face covered

01:06:39.679 –> 01:06:41.920
in fake blood. I’ve got a gorilla body and gorilla

01:06:41.920 –> 01:06:45.739
hands. And this beautiful deer is eating, she’s

01:06:45.739 –> 01:06:50.190
eating fake pop tarts out of my hand. And so

01:06:50.190 –> 01:06:53.130
the really scary part was in the last week of

01:06:53.130 –> 01:06:56.650
shooting, all of the hotels have welcome hunters

01:06:56.650 –> 01:06:59.789
all over. And now I’m worried about catching

01:06:59.789 –> 01:07:03.570
a bullet. And the stunt coordinator goes, there

01:07:03.570 –> 01:07:06.309
are rumors of a California Bigfoot, a Colorado

01:07:06.309 –> 01:07:09.289
Bigfoot. So please don’t go too far away from

01:07:09.289 –> 01:07:12.349
the camera crew. I remember the guy who played

01:07:12.349 –> 01:07:16.360
Chewbacca told me when they shot Return of the

01:07:16.360 –> 01:07:19.719
Jedi in Crescent City, California. He had to

01:07:19.719 –> 01:07:22.219
wear an orange vest so no one popped him thinking

01:07:22.219 –> 01:07:25.460
he was Bigfoot. And I’m literally starting to

01:07:25.460 –> 01:07:27.219
get nervous. And then I’m worrying about Jane

01:07:27.219 –> 01:07:31.059
Doe. And I said to, you know, the really nice

01:07:31.059 –> 01:07:33.659
lady I mentioned who ran the local. And by the

01:07:33.659 –> 01:07:36.440
way, the movie theater was a Quonset hut. And

01:07:36.440 –> 01:07:38.820
they’d been playing Suicide Squad for like six

01:07:38.820 –> 01:07:42.090
months. And they go, are you leaving? We’re about

01:07:42.090 –> 01:07:44.710
to show Independence Day Resurrection. Oh, it

01:07:44.710 –> 01:07:48.710
stinks. But I said, you guys aren’t going to

01:07:48.710 –> 01:07:50.829
shoot my dear once I leave to you. And they go,

01:07:50.969 –> 01:07:52.969
no, no, no. They want the antlers. They’re not

01:07:52.969 –> 01:07:55.030
after the girls. They’re there. They’re after

01:07:55.030 –> 01:07:58.230
her sons. So I felt bad about that. Well, you

01:07:58.230 –> 01:08:02.230
know, I feel like maybe a lot of this the rumors

01:08:02.230 –> 01:08:04.289
about Sasquatch and Bigfoot and stuff are really

01:08:04.289 –> 01:08:08.989
just people seeing people filming movies. about

01:08:08.989 –> 01:08:10.550
Sasquatch and they see the costume and they’re

01:08:10.550 –> 01:08:14.750
like, and it just perpetuates the myth. I swam

01:08:14.750 –> 01:08:18.489
in the Trinity River. I remember I swam in the

01:08:18.489 –> 01:08:22.069
Trinity River and with those high grass right,

01:08:22.430 –> 01:08:24.729
right by where they spotted them. And when the

01:08:24.729 –> 01:08:26.989
water picks you up and you’re looking deep into

01:08:26.989 –> 01:08:29.010
the woods and you’re seeing all these weird animals,

01:08:29.029 –> 01:08:31.949
you’re not used to seeing, I can fully believe

01:08:31.949 –> 01:08:35.310
there’s a race of apes. I mean, I, the hilarious

01:08:35.310 –> 01:08:39.239
thing is, um, My brother and I wrote a Bigfoot

01:08:39.239 –> 01:08:41.479
my brother Tom and I wrote a Bigfoot movie and

01:08:41.479 –> 01:08:43.760
his agents like his agent was teasing him She

01:08:43.760 –> 01:08:47.239
goes you’re you’re one of my most popular writers.

01:08:47.239 –> 01:08:50.260
Do you really want to do a Big Feet movie? But

01:08:50.260 –> 01:08:52.739
it was option like three times and never made

01:08:52.739 –> 01:08:55.779
and one of the arguments, you know I mean one

01:08:55.779 –> 01:08:58.899
of the arguments is When you think of this thing

01:08:58.899 –> 01:09:01.119
up there watching you because every Bigfoot movies

01:09:01.119 –> 01:09:06.060
about one of two things You find Bigfoot or you

01:09:06.060 –> 01:09:08.060
go looking for Bigfoot or Bigfoot finds you.

01:09:08.159 –> 01:09:10.920
Those are the two types of movie. You know what

01:09:10.920 –> 01:09:12.659
I mean? I mean, and it’s what would Harry and

01:09:12.659 –> 01:09:16.479
the Hennersons be? The Bigfoot finds you because

01:09:16.479 –> 01:09:17.939
they hit him with the car and he comes back.

01:09:18.279 –> 01:09:20.560
And by the way, that was shot in my grandma’s

01:09:20.560 –> 01:09:22.840
neighborhood. This is one of the exciting things.

01:09:23.439 –> 01:09:26.619
My mother’s family is from Seattle, so we get

01:09:26.619 –> 01:09:30.779
something called Seattle Fever. If I if I mentioned

01:09:30.779 –> 01:09:33.159
earlier, I did that movie with Courtney Stodden.

01:09:33.520 –> 01:09:36.140
And every time Courtney Stauden busted out a

01:09:36.140 –> 01:09:39.180
Seattle reference, I would get really excited

01:09:39.180 –> 01:09:42.119
because we have a term in my family called Seattle

01:09:42.119 –> 01:09:45.819
fever. You run into anyone from Seattle. And

01:09:45.819 –> 01:09:47.779
because I grew up in Detroit and we would summer

01:09:47.779 –> 01:09:49.960
in Seattle and Seattle was like the city of the

01:09:49.960 –> 01:09:53.760
future compared to Detroit. It was all neon hot

01:09:53.760 –> 01:09:57.199
coffee. Everybody loved used bookstores. used

01:09:57.199 –> 01:09:59.340
bookstores had these big fluffy cats wherever

01:09:59.340 –> 01:10:01.460
you went. You know what I mean? I mean, it was

01:10:01.460 –> 01:10:04.260
just the greatest Seattle still is I have to

01:10:04.260 –> 01:10:08.180
go once a year just to make a pilgrimage. And,

01:10:08.180 –> 01:10:11.560
and with Seattle, you know what I mean? I mean,

01:10:11.560 –> 01:10:14.300
it’s just one of those things. Whenever you mentioned

01:10:14.300 –> 01:10:17.180
Seattle, we get excited and you know, Bigfoot

01:10:17.180 –> 01:10:19.500
was one of the things when we go out towards

01:10:19.500 –> 01:10:21.539
Seattle, it was a three day drive from Michigan.

01:10:22.140 –> 01:10:24.739
and you’d see in search of and stuff and you’d

01:10:24.739 –> 01:10:27.319
see all these horny old Bigfoot documentaries.

01:10:28.340 –> 01:10:30.420
I remember my brother Donald and I used to bicker

01:10:30.420 –> 01:10:33.399
in the car, but we would make a handshake agreement

01:10:33.399 –> 01:10:35.520
in Oregon for the safety of the family. We would

01:10:35.520 –> 01:10:40.340
keep a watch for Bigfoot. Well, I think we’re

01:10:40.340 –> 01:10:43.760
actually kind of like run a little low on time,

01:10:43.800 –> 01:10:47.500
but I just wanted to see if you had any projects

01:10:47.500 –> 01:10:50.079
that you want to mention in specific. you know,

01:10:50.159 –> 01:10:51.979
to the audience or like to check out of stuff

01:10:51.979 –> 01:10:53.779
you’re working on, you’re excited about or anything

01:10:53.779 –> 01:10:57.159
you want to share? You know, I’m I’m I can’t

01:10:57.159 –> 01:11:00.039
say what it is yet, but I have my comic book.

01:11:00.039 –> 01:11:03.539
Well, I can say about this. My comic book for

01:11:03.539 –> 01:11:06.239
an Arctic Press Cosplayer versus Shark is out

01:11:06.239 –> 01:11:09.779
right now. And thank God, doing very well. Not

01:11:09.779 –> 01:11:13.979
good one. And I’m just met with my artist for

01:11:13.979 –> 01:11:17.479
my next one. I’m very happy with that. I have

01:11:17.479 –> 01:11:20.930
a. I have a great cover story in the new issue

01:11:20.930 –> 01:11:24.770
of Dark Side about a Stephen King Michael Jackson

01:11:24.770 –> 01:11:27.689
video that that story has to be read to be believed.

01:11:27.949 –> 01:11:31.270
So by all means, make a pilgrimage to Barnes

01:11:31.270 –> 01:11:33.930
and Noble. That’s worth a look. It’s got Sissy

01:11:33.930 –> 01:11:38.689
Spacek and S. Carey on the cover. I’m working

01:11:38.689 –> 01:11:41.949
on. Oh, I’ll tell you my very first interview

01:11:41.949 –> 01:11:46.409
at age 15 in California when I first moved to

01:11:46.409 –> 01:11:49.710
California. I interviewed the author Ray Bradbury,

01:11:49.869 –> 01:11:52.949
that’ll be coming up. But I suddenly realized

01:11:52.949 –> 01:11:57.069
with Ray gone, nobody’s doing any new Ray Bradbury

01:11:57.069 –> 01:12:00.289
interviews. So Infinity magazine will be running

01:12:00.289 –> 01:12:02.770
my very first interview with the great Ray Bradbury.

01:12:03.270 –> 01:12:06.550
You know, and it was kind of a cringe fest. You

01:12:06.550 –> 01:12:09.670
know, it was my first article as a kid. And my

01:12:09.670 –> 01:12:12.350
introduction was really bad. It was teenage boy

01:12:12.350 –> 01:12:15.289
bad. You know, you think you’re your abilities

01:12:15.289 –> 01:12:17.890
were outshined by your lack of talent at that

01:12:17.890 –> 01:12:20.770
point. But my questions to Ray the Bee are pretty

01:12:20.770 –> 01:12:23.810
good. And his answers, his answers are 100 times

01:12:23.810 –> 01:12:26.750
better than my questions. And I even asked him

01:12:26.750 –> 01:12:30.289
about one of his stories, a really sad, epic

01:12:30.289 –> 01:12:33.729
story called The Foghorn. That became the basis

01:12:33.729 –> 01:12:37.170
of that late night Svenguli favorite, The Beast

01:12:37.170 –> 01:12:41.390
from 20 ,000 Fathoms. And Ray has a lot of good

01:12:41.390 –> 01:12:44.340
stories on that. Ray… Ray basically craps all

01:12:44.340 –> 01:12:46.659
over most of the Hollywood adaptations of his

01:12:46.659 –> 01:12:50.520
work. So that’ll be worth reading. And that’s

01:12:50.520 –> 01:12:52.659
coming out. That’ll be coming out in Infinity

01:12:52.659 –> 01:12:54.800
magazine. I’m hoping it’ll be in their 100th

01:12:54.800 –> 01:12:56.500
issue, but I don’t know. It’s up to them. You

01:12:56.500 –> 01:12:58.819
know what I mean? I mean, but a new Ray Bradbury

01:12:58.819 –> 01:13:01.119
interview with that’s been sitting in a box in

01:13:01.119 –> 01:13:06.720
my storage. Let’s see. And you can still watch

01:13:06.720 –> 01:13:11.369
my high rated Fatal Detour. I always blanket

01:13:11.369 –> 01:13:14.729
the Courtney Stanton horror movie on BET. I’m

01:13:14.729 –> 01:13:18.390
a mutant, luring influencers to my mansion and

01:13:18.390 –> 01:13:22.210
murdering them all one by one. And it’s one of

01:13:22.210 –> 01:13:25.130
those things where it was great because, you

01:13:25.130 –> 01:13:26.590
know what I mean? You’re shooting in an actual

01:13:26.590 –> 01:13:29.770
mansion. And because I’m killing influencers,

01:13:30.590 –> 01:13:35.579
I’m kind of the hero. So true. Yeah, well, I

01:13:35.579 –> 01:13:37.979
we were saying in the introduction to you before

01:13:37.979 –> 01:13:40.140
you arrived, we mentioned that you also played

01:13:40.140 –> 01:13:45.220
the killer clown in our short film. I was quite

01:13:45.220 –> 01:13:47.659
honored. I went to the table read, by the way,

01:13:47.699 –> 01:13:50.319
these guys had the table read for their for their

01:13:50.319 –> 01:13:54.859
short film closing time. Right. Last call. Last

01:13:54.859 –> 01:13:57.600
call. Yeah. So I was in the table read. They

01:13:57.600 –> 01:14:00.859
did the table read. at the pool hall from Toby

01:14:00.859 –> 01:14:03.819
Hooper Sillam’s lot, which blew me away. That’s

01:14:03.819 –> 01:14:05.920
right. So we did the table read. And when you

01:14:05.920 –> 01:14:08.060
guys made them, what is the most important thing

01:14:08.060 –> 01:14:10.840
you learned? You worked together, you collaborated,

01:14:11.000 –> 01:14:13.579
you directed people. What is the most important

01:14:13.579 –> 01:14:15.520
thing you guys learned to make in this movie?

01:14:15.600 –> 01:14:18.520
Oh, man, doing the uno reverse on us. I’m a reporter.

01:14:18.800 –> 01:14:22.020
I got to. I mean, I think there’s a lot of things

01:14:22.020 –> 01:14:25.979
you you learn. I wish we had gotten more B -roll.

01:14:26.170 –> 01:14:28.090
which probably would have helped Christopher

01:14:28.090 –> 01:14:33.069
with the editing. The way it was written was

01:14:33.069 –> 01:14:35.770
unique in that there’s no like B story or just

01:14:35.770 –> 01:14:38.409
following one character. So maybe having some

01:14:38.409 –> 01:14:41.470
B story going on even on a minor level would

01:14:41.470 –> 01:14:43.729
have given us more to work with. Like flexibility

01:14:43.729 –> 01:14:50.720
in the end. And I think I would have… So basically,

01:14:51.260 –> 01:14:53.680
actually, to answer your question, we’re trying

01:14:53.680 –> 01:14:56.779
to possibly turn this into a feature. Smart.

01:14:56.960 –> 01:15:01.439
It’s an anthology, right? In a way. And so I

01:15:01.439 –> 01:15:03.340
re went through that and I’m like, how can I

01:15:03.340 –> 01:15:04.939
make this scarier? Because we don’t have that

01:15:04.939 –> 01:15:07.420
much suspense. It’s more atmosphere and kind

01:15:07.420 –> 01:15:10.359
of like, you know, what’s the word I’m looking

01:15:10.359 –> 01:15:13.399
for? It’s a it’s eerie. Yeah, it’s more of a

01:15:13.399 –> 01:15:14.960
mood thing. And so I was like, I want to make

01:15:14.960 –> 01:15:17.260
it scarier. So it’s like psychological, but it’s

01:15:17.260 –> 01:15:19.449
not really like, yeah, like suspense. And I’ve

01:15:19.449 –> 01:15:21.590
got to give myself credit here. My king from

01:15:21.590 –> 01:15:24.630
my Geico commercial plays your bartender. Yeah,

01:15:24.770 –> 01:15:27.289
Ron. Oh, you guys had worked together. That was

01:15:27.289 –> 01:15:31.729
the one who got us. I said you got again, Ron.

01:15:31.970 –> 01:15:34.090
And he goes, we’re looking for a mysterious possibly

01:15:34.090 –> 01:15:36.430
European because I’m looking for a mysterious

01:15:36.430 –> 01:15:39.810
possibly European guy. And I’m like, Ron, he

01:15:39.810 –> 01:15:42.590
was so good. Yeah, he’s fantastic. He’s an amazing

01:15:42.590 –> 01:15:44.550
theater actor. He’s an amazing. You know what?

01:15:44.829 –> 01:15:48.130
He brings a lot of genuine warmth on set and

01:15:48.130 –> 01:15:51.350
that accent alone adds so much gravitas. Well,

01:15:51.430 –> 01:15:53.189
anyway, he was also he was in the Mandalorian.

01:15:53.510 –> 01:15:56.250
And he was on the Mandalorian. He was on the

01:15:56.250 –> 01:15:58.109
Mandalorian after I worked with him. But it was

01:15:58.109 –> 01:16:01.510
amazing to see because Ron is always working.

01:16:01.729 –> 01:16:04.529
Even even when even when the industry is on life

01:16:04.529 –> 01:16:08.229
support, Ron is working. I appreciated that he

01:16:08.229 –> 01:16:10.430
was willing to, you know, take a shot with us.

01:16:10.489 –> 01:16:13.750
That was cool. I think of what I learned, I mean.

01:16:14.539 –> 01:16:17.000
is really just working with actors, you know,

01:16:17.039 –> 01:16:18.659
cause it’s like, you don’t really, it’s not a,

01:16:18.859 –> 01:16:21.720
it’s a skill that you don’t develop until you

01:16:21.720 –> 01:16:23.680
do it. You know what I mean? And so, you know,

01:16:23.680 –> 01:16:25.140
I’ve done a lot of documentary things, but I’ve,

01:16:25.140 –> 01:16:28.180
you know, and I’ve done some minor kind of directing

01:16:28.180 –> 01:16:30.039
of actors, but not in a way where they’re like

01:16:30.039 –> 01:16:31.819
doing like real performances. So for me, I feel

01:16:31.819 –> 01:16:34.640
like that was a, an eye opening experience. Watching

01:16:34.640 –> 01:16:37.180
you guys in the two days I was there, you handle

01:16:37.180 –> 01:16:40.560
it really well. And I mean, I mean, And and like

01:16:40.560 –> 01:16:42.699
every time you’re doing a shoot, some things

01:16:42.699 –> 01:16:45.039
went wrong and you guys rolled with the punches.

01:16:45.260 –> 01:16:47.220
You know what I mean? I mean, I appreciate that.

01:16:47.500 –> 01:16:49.739
I was impressed to watch because I thought, well,

01:16:49.739 –> 01:16:53.359
this is where I’ll see the real them. This is

01:16:53.359 –> 01:16:55.720
how they handle pressure. You can what you can

01:16:55.720 –> 01:16:58.180
watch anybody handle. It’s like when I was watching

01:16:58.180 –> 01:17:00.380
Mick Garrison, the Michael Jackson video and

01:17:00.380 –> 01:17:03.960
Michael Jackson took a powder and you could see

01:17:03.960 –> 01:17:06.819
the strain on him. He’s doing like this this

01:17:06.819 –> 01:17:11.140
multimillion dollar video. and his show horse

01:17:11.140 –> 01:17:15.100
has run out of the barn. And he’s trying to remain

01:17:15.100 –> 01:17:18.060
calm. But I would watch him in between shots.

01:17:18.199 –> 01:17:21.079
He kept humming eight days a week. And that became

01:17:21.079 –> 01:17:23.739
like his mantra. With you guys, I didn’t see

01:17:23.739 –> 01:17:27.859
either of you singing Humming Beetle songs. But

01:17:27.859 –> 01:17:30.000
what was cool about the two of you is you didn’t

01:17:30.000 –> 01:17:32.220
turn on each other either. I was watching for

01:17:32.220 –> 01:17:38.319
that. You know what I mean? I did a sex comedy

01:17:38.319 –> 01:17:43.859
movie in Pat and in Palm Springs and and the

01:17:43.859 –> 01:17:47.000
two AFM director, the AFI directors, there are

01:17:47.000 –> 01:17:50.260
the AFI Institute. Great, great guys. I’ve done

01:17:50.260 –> 01:17:52.840
their AFI short. And when they got financing

01:17:52.840 –> 01:17:57.199
to make this, it suddenly became West Side Story,

01:17:57.500 –> 01:18:00.880
where each side of the they were they turned

01:18:00.880 –> 01:18:03.460
on each other really terribly once the pressure

01:18:03.460 –> 01:18:06.430
cooked up. And I watched you guys, especially

01:18:06.430 –> 01:18:08.449
in the second day I was there on the pressure

01:18:08.449 –> 01:18:11.329
cooker. And you would do this thing where you

01:18:11.329 –> 01:18:14.130
would run your hands through your hair and Pete

01:18:14.130 –> 01:18:18.729
would do this. He would go. And I thought, oh,

01:18:19.069 –> 01:18:21.970
my God, you guys didn’t say anything. You weren’t

01:18:21.970 –> 01:18:24.229
exploding on anyone? I had a great time. I didn’t

01:18:24.229 –> 01:18:26.569
have any… It was a little stressful. When we

01:18:26.569 –> 01:18:27.869
were building the set, that was probably the

01:18:27.869 –> 01:18:30.409
worst part. No, there was times where I had to

01:18:30.409 –> 01:18:32.369
yell at you, Pat. I had to yell at David. I had

01:18:32.369 –> 01:18:35.449
to yell… And I’m not usually one who yells.

01:18:35.670 –> 01:18:37.770
I think we’re about out of time, but thank you

01:18:37.770 –> 01:18:39.750
so much for coming by. Yeah, thanks, Pat. It

01:18:39.750 –> 01:18:41.729
is always a treat to have you. You have such

01:18:41.729 –> 01:18:44.189
great stories and so much to share. You’re not

01:18:44.189 –> 01:18:46.890
going to say anything? Yeah, thanks for coming.

01:18:47.109 –> 01:18:49.170
You’re the most charming person on this podcast.

01:18:49.909 –> 01:18:52.869
No, I’m just here for story time. Thank you.

01:18:53.109 –> 01:18:55.470
Listen, the three of you. This is great. I love

01:18:55.470 –> 01:18:57.569
the Lost Boys poster and the pet cemetery on

01:18:57.569 –> 01:19:00.329
the wall. The whole room is great. You know what

01:19:00.329 –> 01:19:03.390
I mean? I mean, so guys and galf, thank you very

01:19:03.390 –> 01:19:05.409
much for having me. It was a blast. No, it is

01:19:05.409 –> 01:19:07.949
great. Thank you. And well, we’ll see you at

01:19:07.949 –> 01:19:16.729
Horror Trivia. Thanks for tuning in to today’s

01:19:16.729 –> 01:19:18.949
episode of Nightmare Logic. We want to give a

01:19:18.949 –> 01:19:21.369
big thank you to Pat Jankewitz for speaking with

01:19:21.369 –> 01:19:23.850
us today. For this episode’s show notes, visit

01:19:23.850 –> 01:19:27.210
our website at nightmarelogic .net and follow

01:19:27.210 –> 01:19:30.050
us on Instagram at nightmarelogicpod. We want

01:19:30.050 –> 01:19:32.050
to give a big shout out to our composer Lars

01:19:32.050 –> 01:19:34.470
Lang -Petersen for our score. Looking forward

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to catching you again next week, so tune in then.