Only Nerds Know Every Subgenre Of Horror

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Welcome back to Nightmare Logic, the podcast

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where we discuss the theory and practice of horror

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and we practice the theory. We’re your hosts,

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Christopher Smith and Peter Sawyer. Get ready

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to take some notes because we’re going to go

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through every subgenre of horror. Hopefully.

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All right, Peter, here we go again. What’s new

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with you? Back for the first time. riding high

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uh we’ve mentioned horror trivia on this podcast

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before it’s called dead right horror trivia and

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it happens in burbank uh every thursday not every

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thursday what i’m talking about every month usually

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on the third thursday and uh our team won around

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last night so uh morale is is back we uh won

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a round about tom newman tom noonan excuse me

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who uh sadly recently passed and they had a a

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tribute round on him um if you’re not familiar

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with who he was he was a character actor in movies

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like manhunter and monster squad and uh robocop

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2 last action hero and a few other you know kind

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of movies like that yeah i wasn’t that familiar

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with him but i i looked him up when he died and

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i realized oh yeah totally yeah he’s he’s in

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a lot of a lot of things and once you know who

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he is you’ll you’d recognize him yeah more recently

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i guess he was in house of the devil was a later

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one um that i can think of in late phases well

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it’s cool that you guys went around i i’ve been

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a few times in the past and i know that uh you

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know it’s really hard to win a round in there

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because there’s so many people who know so much

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have such deep knowledge of horror it’s crazy

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yeah it it really is they uh had a big scream

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round and did not win that one i remember one

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round it was like they played five seconds of

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horror cues all from the year 2002 like horror

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theme music and uh you know but like deep cuts

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like the remake of wicker man or things something

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like that and people know them like they get

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10 out of 10 correct and double down and yeah

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it’s crazy it’s it’s a fun time so if you live

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in the southern california area um it’s worth

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checking out even if you don’t have a team you

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can always sub on teams because a lot of the

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time people need that Yeah. And, you know, interestingly

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enough, I came across this rumor that Stranger

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Things might be dropping a movie in 2027, which

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this was, well, let’s just say that’s that’s

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it’s a rumor and truly just a rumor. I don’t

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actually think there’s any truth to it. It started

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when this entertainment gossip account called

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Do Moi posted something on Instagram that they

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got like an anonymous tip about it. they just

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posted the anonymous tip a screenshot of it and

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it kind of like took off and now people are um

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saying that there’s going to be a film in 2027

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but it’s unlikely for a number of reasons namely

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that the duffer brothers are now uh contracted

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to paramount starting next year and uh the cast

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probably isn’t going to want to return and also

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it takes way too long to make a film there’s

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no way it would be done in 2027 anyways so i

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mean they did that for breaking bad right the

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el camino I mean, that was years after Breaking

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Bad was over, I believe. I don’t know how many

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years. I can’t remember. And that was more of

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like an offshoot as opposed to a Walter White

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story. True, true. It could be some kind of like

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prelude, you know, or like spinoff kind of a

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thing. Right. Because, I mean, anything that

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makes money, they’re just going to keep trying

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to make money off of it. Yeah, I’m sure they

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would love to like cash in. But also it just

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came off like this season that’s like basically

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seven. you know, films. So, you know, I, I, I

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don’t know that they’re going to jump back in

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that fast. Um, but it’d be interesting, you know,

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watch the space, you know? Yeah, for sure. Um,

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have you seen anything good recently, Chris?

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You know, uh, this, this week, uh, I mostly,

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uh, I’ve, I’ve watched some things, nothing really

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in the sort of horror genre world, mostly because

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I was watching it with my fiance who’s not into

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this stuff, but you know. Actually, I will say

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the new episode of Knights of the Seven Kingdoms

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is pretty amazing. It’s just like one brutal

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slog of a battle. Okay, I’m into it. I mean,

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my favorite episode of that’s, for those who

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don’t know, it’s based off Game of Thrones, right?

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It’s connected. Yeah, exactly. It’s in the world.

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My favorite episode of Game of Thrones is the

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Battle of the Bastards. Yeah. The choreography

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for those fight sequences is just… mind -blowing

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yeah it’s a lot like that that’s one thing that’s

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great about that series they really don’t try

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to a lot of fantasy particularly in the 80s and

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90s and early 2000s and stuff there’s always

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they portray battle as this thing where you’re

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like it’s yeah spin around and you stab someone

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and you move on to the next you stab someone

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and there’s and there’s no like cost to it to

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the main right character but like this is like

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just brutal like dirty bloody gruesome nobody

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gets out unscathed was it claustrophobic Yeah.

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Cause they use really great sound design in it.

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And like, um, I mean, it takes place in like

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just a foot of mud. Oh, wow. Yeah. It’s like,

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and which is probably more accurate. Cause like,

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honestly, in, in those kinds of battles, when

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you have like horses and people and stuff, the

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ground is just torn up. Um, yeah. We’re checking

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out. I actually think it’s a really great series.

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Um, it’s more contained than, you know, the original

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game of Thrones. It’s, it’s a smaller scale.

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It all takes place in this one village so far.

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And, but it’s like really, uh, equally as compelling

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a lot of ways. So right on. I, I don’t doubt

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it’s amazing. And last, I think I want to mention,

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um, is that I heard that, uh, Texas chainsaw

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massacre TV shows happening, uh, in the producer

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of it, Roy Lee, I guess he was involved with,

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uh, a chapter two barbarian and weapons. Yeah.

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Um, a 24 series. Anyways, uh, it’s about the,

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uh, Sawyer family. my family my people yeah yeah

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peter’s last name is sawyer uh i guess he comes

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from leatherface’s family uh but i guess it’s

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like they revealed a little more information

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about it i guess it’s going to be kind of the

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the life of leatherface when he was like more

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of a kid and like how it turned into the you

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know the family right so i guess i have uh two

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thoughts on that one is maybe that’s fun to explore

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But when you look at like what Rob Zombie did

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to Halloween and they went into Michael Myers

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backstory, it kind of ruins it because it’s like

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a mystery. Right. Which is part of the appeal.

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But then again, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre has

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also had so many sequels and all this stuff that

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like they’re just looking for a new angle on

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it, I guess. Yeah, it seems like it’s going to

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be a little more character driven. And, you know,

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it’s going to be all about execution. Right.

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There’s a lame version of it. And then there’s.

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like oh this is actually adds to it right because

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you see the sort of formative experiences that

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drives somebody to like become right yeah i mean

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you never know until the it’s done and then everyone’s

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gonna have their own opinions on these things

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um yeah we’ll file that away to be judged when

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it comes out right and i know they’re doing the

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friday the 13th series as well i don’t know enough

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about what that entails yeah I’m curious about

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that too, but it’s probably similar. Yeah, it,

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it, I guess it is actually, it mentioned in the

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article I read, which we’ll post on the show

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notes. It mentioned that series and it’s also

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about his like child, child upbringing or whatever.

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Um, great. So we got a couple of awesome, potentially

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awesome films coming out this week that people

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should check out. All right, hit me. Uh, the

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first one is psycho killer, which we, we talked

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about a couple of these in our looking forward

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to 2026 episode. But Psycho Killer, directed

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by Gavin Pallone, written by Andrew Kevin Walker.

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It stars Georgina Campbell, James Preston Rogers,

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Malcolm McDowell. And it’s about a police officer,

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a woman who tracks a killer after her husband,

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a highway patrolman, becomes one of his victims.

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And so far, the trailer looks compelling, but,

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you know, it’s kind of got, I’d say, mixed reviews

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up to this point. But I’d probably still check

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it out. I’m curious about it. I, I, I like not

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knowing much about it so that I, I, if you haven’t

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picked up from this podcast, I like going in

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blind for a lot of things or if it’s just like

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a very simple premise, that’s just, okay, I got

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to see that. Um, and this, I think it has kind

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of both. Totally. Totally. Yeah. I think the,

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I did read some of the criticisms and, um, I

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think that the main complaint really is just

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that it’s. uh i guess nothing new or something

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like it’s it’s not that it’s bad it’s just sort

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of like you know something you’ve seen before

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or something like that i don’t know but i’m gonna

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i’m gonna check it out i i encourage other people

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to and then redux redux is coming out oh shit

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okay apparently that’s how it’s pronounced okay

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cool that’s right and um i actually heard a uh

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npr does film week on Fridays here in LA. And

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they bring on some critics to discuss everything

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coming out. And they discussed this and both

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the critics both loved it. And it sounds like

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it’s gonna be really great. They say it’s one

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of those stories kind of like Primer where it’s

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kind of low budget, but the concept and the execution

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is just really satisfying. So Redux Redux is

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directed by Kevin McManus, starring Michaela

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McManus, Stella Marcus, Jeremy Holm. And its

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logline is, Irene Kelly travels through parallel

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universes, repeatedly killing her daughter’s

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murderer. As she becomes consumed by vegans,

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her humanity hangs in the balance. And, you know,

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the trailer does look pretty awesome. I’m not

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watching the trailer. I’m hooked on the idea.

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Like, as a plot guy, I’m like, yeah, that’s a

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cool idea. Nice. So, This Is Not A Test is also

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coming out. And this is directed by Adam McDonald,

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written by Adam McDonald and Courtney Summers,

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starring Luke McFarlane, Missy Peregrine, Olivia

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Holt. And this follows a character named Sloane

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and four other students who take shelter in their

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high school during a zombie outbreak. And apparently

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this is getting somewhat decent reviews and looks

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interesting. I don’t know much about it besides

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that. Okay. I mean, I’m always a sucker for zombie

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movies. Yeah. probably check that out and the

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last one i’m going to mention is called the dreadful

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and according to reviews it’s supposedly dreadful

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but it might be appeal to some of you and it’s

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directed by natasha kermani i think that’s how

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you say her name and uh she previously directed

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vhs 85 and it starts sophie turner and kit harrington

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of game of thrones fame as we were just discussing

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and marcia Marsha Gay Harden. So The Dreadful

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follows Anne and her mother -in -law, Morwen,

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who live in a solitary, harsh life on the outskirts

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of society. This is back in medieval times. But

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when a man from their past returns, he will set

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off a sequence of events that become a turning

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point for Anne. So it’s currently sitting at

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a 55 on Rotten Tomatoes. I don’t pay attention

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to Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, it’s like the worst

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of all ones. I’ve seen the trailer for this,

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actually. I thought it looked interesting. It’s

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intriguing. It doesn’t look like a straight -up

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capital -H horror movie. Exactly, yeah. But it

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looks like a medieval, dark, mysterious, like

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this could go any which way. Right, with some

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kind of supernatural aspect to it. Right, right.

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I’m curious. There’s another movie I wanted to

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mention that’s coming out, and I don’t have the

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date, but it just came across my… I don’t know,

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algorithm, if you will, that just looks fucking

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wild. It’s called slanted. It’s done by, uh,

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Oh yeah. I think it March, early March, March

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6th or something like that. Could be. Um, I,

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yeah, I’m on the IMDb page. It’s not saying,

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so it’s kind of putting me in a awkward position

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here, but, but it’s, uh, written and directed

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by Amy Wang. And the log line is an insecure

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Chinese American teenager undergoes experimental

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surgery. to appear white hoping to secure the

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prom queen title in pure acceptance but you get

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a sense from the trailer that uh this procedure

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is gonna have some gnarly side effects but just

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from watching the trailer it the movie looks

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like it has balls like i’m like dude that’s yeah

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you’re you’re stepping in it and it’s i’m here

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for that because yeah it caught my attention

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um but yeah i’m just like Fuck yeah, bring it.

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Yeah, and so that’s confirmed. That comes out

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March 13th. Cool. I will be there for that. Yes.

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All right, well, let’s transition to the main

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topic of discussion today, which Peter is going

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to lead us through because he did all the research.

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Okay, people. So the concept for this kind of

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came about because, I was, I think, texting with

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my friend Brian Case, like he was encyclopedic

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with horror movies and whatnot. You know, he’s

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like me way into the genre. And I was making

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a joke about how sometimes you come across people.

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This is more so when I was like a teenager or

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my early 20s. And I’d ask him, be like, oh, you

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start talking movies. And you’re like, what’s

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your favorite kind of movie? And they would say

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some shit like foreign films. And I’m like, what?

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So I’m like, they probably mean a movie like

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My Life as a Dog or The Sound of Music or something

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like that. But I’m like, yo, that could be a

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Serbian film. That could be Martyrs. That could

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be all these transgressive movies. It’s a broad

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category. Right. And so Brian was like, Peter,

00:14:25.330 –> 00:14:27.090
it’s not a genre. It’s a category. And I was

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like, touche. That is a category. But it doesn’t

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tell you. It makes you sound pretentious or elitist

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by saying something kind of. even if that’s your

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favorite thing it’s like be more specific yeah

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i think when people say foreign films though

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they’re really talking about foreign dramas which

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tend to be indie films by definition you know

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because they’re most most films abroad are lower

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budget than you know they don’t really have the

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hollywood deep pockets you gotta get specific

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but so like our art house art house foreign films

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i guess yeah but that could still also you could

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also make the argument that like martyrs is that

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i don’t disagree with you i’m just i’m just translating

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what these people normally would So I think leading

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into this topic, I think it’s worth breaking

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down categories of movies and then breaking down

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sub genres of horror. So let’s do an exercise

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real quick. If you clear your mind and imagine

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streaming is dead and all of a sudden there’s

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a boom of video stores cropping back up. I think

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a lot of people would be stoked. I’d be stoked

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about that. Yeah. I mean, maybe they have VHS,

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whatever, but you’d be Blu -rays, 4Ks, whatever

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the next. iteration of that is and you would

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have your blockbusters but you get a one that

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pops up called nightmare logic that specializes

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in horror now how would you organize that it

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seems like it would be like the most fun and

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biggest nightmare to do because you could do

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it alphabetical but that’s not you know you go

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into blockbuster it’s done by genre so fuck that

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You could do it by directors, but not all directors

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are prolific. So you would probably do it in

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subgenre. So if you took a movie like The Thing,

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you’d be like, okay, it’s a horror movie. It’s

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a sci -fi horror movie. Wait, no, it’s a body

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horror. No, it’s technically a siege. So it got

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me thinking, it’s like, well, there’s a lot of

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movies that kind of cross over into different

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subgenres. Well, it just goes to the age -old

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problem of like… Humans, we like to categorize

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things and put them in boxes and some things

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can’t be put in a box. Yeah, there’s movies without

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homes, right? But it’s interesting to think about

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because it just goes to show how many different

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kinds of subgenres there are. And so it might

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be fun to go through. So if we want to start

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with categories, these are the ones that I thought

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about. Lend themselves to horror, but they could

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totally be the opposite of that. So you have

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black and white films, right? Category. Live

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action. You know, that’s a typical movie. Found

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footage. That lends itself to horror. Foreign.

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You have the different ones that are rated, you

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know, R, PG, PG -13G, whatever. Art house. Feminist.

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Silent. Independent. Studio. Cult. Exploitation.

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Those tend to… lend themselves to horror animated

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anthology also kind of horror has a monopoly

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on that usually self -contained single location

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remakes prequels sequels musicals satire uh you

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could say midnight movies those were specific

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from the 70s that kind of birth cult and grindhouse

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stuff well and a lot of that is they still like

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a lot of uh film festivals have midnight yeah

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yeah which is probably like a nod it’s a catch

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-all really for a lot of that yeah because it’s

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generally genre stuff like you could say like

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the warriors right of living dead um there is

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hong kong category three that’s getting specific

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but that was like came about in the late 80s

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for a period of years where they would make just

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fucking bat shit movies that were uh shocking

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graphic violence nudity um the i think it’s the

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sixth or seventh curse with Chow Yun -Fat is

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one of them. I’m screwing up the title. I apologize.

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Riccio is another one, but that’s like a martial

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art movie that’s extremely gory. Okay, so let’s

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get into the subgenres. And I will give you a

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couple examples along the way. A lot of these

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are self -explanatory. Probably the most popular

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subgenre of horror seems to be slasher. I don’t

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know if that’s still the case, but that was.

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It’s basically… people are getting slashed

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up right i don’t i don’t think there’s too much

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of a definition to it yeah but you can expect

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people getting murdered usually like there’s

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a final girl yeah that that’s become a trope

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that comes out of that especially uh you have

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your texas chainsaw mask or halloween nightmare

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on elm street supernatural one um a deeper cut

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would be just before dawn early 80s one that

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i thought was pretty interesting um do you like

00:19:11.940 –> 00:19:15.589
slashers So I kind of swore them off because

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I was like, these are all the same fucking thing.

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They’re usually very light on story. But then

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I got into watching some that I had not seen

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as a kid. And I was like, no, they’re fun. Like

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they do have a charm that I that I like. Totally.

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Like the gore. Some people love gore. And there’s

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a lot of it. Well, they can’t. I mean, some of

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them don’t have that much gore. But but I feel

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like to stand out these days, it’s all about

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the gore. Right. I mean, Nightmare on Elm Street,

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I think, is a genius because it’s. Kids can’t

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go to sleep because what’s in their nightmare

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is going to kill them. You know, so I think that’s

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a really interesting angle on that. As opposed

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to it gets old when it’s a dude with a mask and

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a weapon coming after you. Right, right. If you

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can do it differently, more power to you. You

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have In a Violent Nature, which was a different

00:20:00.630 –> 00:20:05.730
meditation on that recently. So that’s Slasher.

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Another one is Psychological Horror. which is,

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I think, basically a mindfuck, blurring reality

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with what isn’t perceived to be real or losing

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one’s mind. So Psycho would work, Altered States,

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Jacob’s Ladder, Triangle is kind of a deeper

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cut on that. Directed by Chris Smith. Not me,

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but a different one. Who? Did which one? Triangle.

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Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. You can take credit.

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Yeah, and I think he’s actually a different one

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than the other very well -known documentary filmmaker

00:20:36.730 –> 00:20:38.630
named Chris Smith. This is why I go by Christopher

00:20:38.630 –> 00:20:41.549
Smith, for all you out there listening, because

00:20:41.549 –> 00:20:45.210
there’s a lot of us. Right. But also, this is

00:20:45.210 –> 00:20:47.829
the same category, or the same sub -genre, I

00:20:47.829 –> 00:20:50.109
should say, that Last Call is in. Yeah, I mean,

00:20:50.130 –> 00:20:53.589
I think we’d cross over into that, too. A lot

00:20:53.589 –> 00:20:57.339
of things are. you know it’s just so you know

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uh i should say for those just tuning in for

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the first time last call is a short film that

00:21:01.559 –> 00:21:04.720
peter and i have recently uh finished 20 minute

00:21:04.720 –> 00:21:08.859
long psychological thriller uh sorry horror well

00:21:08.859 –> 00:21:11.819
maybe thriller i don’t know yeah but it it’s

00:21:11.819 –> 00:21:13.859
it’s on the festival circuit right now um we

00:21:13.859 –> 00:21:16.480
tend to reference it sometimes but yeah that

00:21:16.480 –> 00:21:18.779
would fall into this category i think but what’s

00:21:18.779 –> 00:21:22.019
interesting is like if you think of psychological

00:21:22.019 –> 00:21:25.759
horror there’s also psychological thriller and

00:21:25.759 –> 00:21:29.019
how to tell them apart it’s it can be hard because

00:21:29.019 –> 00:21:32.619
the tropes of both play to both genres uh however

00:21:32.619 –> 00:21:35.339
a psychological horror might feel unresolved

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whereas the thriller has more of a satisfying

00:21:37.720 –> 00:21:40.680
conclusion uh if you look at the movie seven

00:21:40.680 –> 00:21:45.160
right that’s not considered horror but it really

00:21:45.160 –> 00:21:47.740
feels like one for good reason in the end i think

00:21:47.740 –> 00:21:50.759
kind of does both um which is why it’s so well

00:21:50.759 –> 00:21:53.259
regarded like it’s it’s an unsettling ending

00:21:53.769 –> 00:21:55.990
but it also is very satisfying because it concludes

00:21:55.990 –> 00:21:59.130
the whole, I kind of feel like those two genres

00:21:59.130 –> 00:22:01.269
kind of, it’s the line is very blurry for sure.

00:22:01.430 –> 00:22:05.890
It is. It is. But, um, so that’s, yeah, that

00:22:05.890 –> 00:22:09.630
psychological and that, that overlaps with so

00:22:09.630 –> 00:22:12.170
many types of movies. Um, what about folk horror?

00:22:12.369 –> 00:22:15.069
The next one? Yeah. Folk horror, uh, horror with

00:22:15.069 –> 00:22:17.809
folklore and pagan themes often set in the countryside.

00:22:18.029 –> 00:22:22.329
So you have wicker man, the witch oddity, uh,

00:22:22.839 –> 00:22:26.240
Deeper cut. I like his Wakewood. Chris, you mentioned

00:22:26.240 –> 00:22:28.339
Midsommar earlier. Midsommar. Yeah, definitely.

00:22:28.599 –> 00:22:31.200
And I mean, even the Blair Witch Project. Yeah.

00:22:31.299 –> 00:22:33.940
I mean, it’s kind of a witch one, but that’s

00:22:33.940 –> 00:22:36.440
folk. I think that falls in folk, right? Yeah.

00:22:37.059 –> 00:22:42.579
Folklore usually lands in the woods. It has a

00:22:42.579 –> 00:22:44.940
big. Right. That’s a motif. Right. And dealing

00:22:44.940 –> 00:22:50.039
with, you know, either religious or occult themes

00:22:50.039 –> 00:22:52.759
of different cultures that were not. as familiar

00:22:52.759 –> 00:22:56.700
with. Right. Or more ancient. And sometimes it’s

00:22:56.700 –> 00:22:59.039
kind of like a stranger in a strange land. You

00:22:59.039 –> 00:23:01.019
get an outsider that’s coming to some place where

00:23:01.019 –> 00:23:03.380
things are just a little off and they’re not

00:23:03.380 –> 00:23:09.259
picking up on why. The next subgenre is giallo.

00:23:10.140 –> 00:23:13.200
I can never say that right, which is Italian

00:23:13.200 –> 00:23:16.259
horror thrillers that were like an artistic take

00:23:16.259 –> 00:23:18.960
on slashers, but they’re steeped in more mystery

00:23:18.960 –> 00:23:23.259
and sexploitation. Very Italian. Yeah. So some

00:23:23.259 –> 00:23:25.559
examples are Blood and Black Lace, Deep Red,

00:23:25.880 –> 00:23:29.140
Bay of Blood. They were around mainly from the

00:23:29.140 –> 00:23:35.240
60s to the 80s. And because the… Is it named

00:23:35.240 –> 00:23:39.000
after a director? I don’t… Giallo means…

00:23:39.000 –> 00:23:43.359
Giallo means yellow. I like it. I don’t know

00:23:43.359 –> 00:23:46.319
what the correlation is. I’m not super into them.

00:23:46.480 –> 00:23:49.359
I don’t dislike them when I watch them, but they’re

00:23:49.359 –> 00:23:52.420
just… It’s usually a guy with… black gloves

00:23:52.420 –> 00:23:55.940
and a knife that is a mysterious killer in it

00:23:55.940 –> 00:23:59.880
and you kind of then they’re not all the same

00:23:59.880 –> 00:24:02.759
don’t get me wrong but they just it’s like similar

00:24:02.759 –> 00:24:04.819
in that slashers kind of are like you know what

00:24:04.819 –> 00:24:08.640
you’re getting in a sense right um so but they’re

00:24:08.640 –> 00:24:13.660
they’re very popular uh dario argento is i say

00:24:13.660 –> 00:24:17.380
argento is associated with them um i think he’s

00:24:17.380 –> 00:24:20.690
probably the most associated with them um The

00:24:20.690 –> 00:24:26.869
next is kind of a category and a… I don’t know

00:24:26.869 –> 00:24:29.250
if you’d call it a genre. I hate the phrasing.

00:24:30.250 –> 00:24:33.890
It’s quote -unquote elevated horror, which is

00:24:33.890 –> 00:24:36.410
a newer label that refers to themes of grief

00:24:36.410 –> 00:24:38.329
and trauma with more of an artistic approach.

00:24:38.509 –> 00:24:43.690
It’s often associated with A24 films. So this

00:24:43.690 –> 00:24:45.849
calls for a little bit of a tangent because I

00:24:45.849 –> 00:24:48.990
have an opinion on it. um personally peter and

00:24:48.990 –> 00:24:51.789
i don’t always i i’m a fan of like more elevated

00:24:51.789 –> 00:24:54.329
horror films and peter is not he’s not that he’s

00:24:54.329 –> 00:24:56.329
not a fan you’re just uh you why don’t you well

00:24:56.329 –> 00:25:00.750
no i so i i think that calling something elevated

00:25:00.750 –> 00:25:03.630
is some highfalutin framing to make critics feel

00:25:03.630 –> 00:25:07.029
like their taste in horror is high art while

00:25:07.029 –> 00:25:09.769
snubbing anything else you know oh there might

00:25:09.769 –> 00:25:11.390
be some truth to that that doesn’t mean the films

00:25:11.390 –> 00:25:14.549
are bad no no but i’m just saying like categorizing

00:25:14.549 –> 00:25:19.660
something is like It’s elitist, right? Well,

00:25:19.700 –> 00:25:22.140
I mean, honestly, I kind of feel like it’s more

00:25:22.140 –> 00:25:25.119
of a category than a genre. Right, yeah. I mean,

00:25:25.119 –> 00:25:28.420
it’s… It’s a horror category. But it didn’t

00:25:28.420 –> 00:25:32.799
just come out of, you know, the early 2012 with

00:25:32.799 –> 00:25:34.900
It Follows. Like, there’s movies that were doing

00:25:34.900 –> 00:25:37.160
this type of stuff before. You know, it just

00:25:37.160 –> 00:25:40.920
became in vogue, and A24 picked up on a lot of

00:25:40.920 –> 00:25:43.019
those movies. And don’t get me wrong, I like

00:25:43.019 –> 00:25:45.079
It Follows. I like a lot of these movies, but

00:25:45.079 –> 00:25:47.279
I just… I would prefer it to be called post

00:25:47.279 –> 00:25:50.160
-horror because that it’s not, it’s like, you

00:25:50.160 –> 00:25:52.000
know, Chris and I were talking about this before.

00:25:52.079 –> 00:25:54.140
I was like, all right, I always compare horror

00:25:54.140 –> 00:25:58.500
to punk rock and post -punk. If you hear that,

00:25:58.539 –> 00:26:01.380
you can hear the punk in it, but it’s not, it’s

00:26:01.380 –> 00:26:05.079
kind of almost more mature. It’s not as abrasive.

00:26:05.160 –> 00:26:08.079
And I think post -horror films. Yeah. You can

00:26:08.079 –> 00:26:12.000
just sub out the word elevated for mature. yeah

00:26:12.000 –> 00:26:13.859
but that would that would turn me off i think

00:26:13.859 –> 00:26:16.680
of it more as intellectual which also sounds

00:26:16.680 –> 00:26:20.140
elitist or whatever but but it’s appealing more

00:26:20.140 –> 00:26:23.400
to that part of your brain you know a little

00:26:23.400 –> 00:26:26.039
more logical a little more or or you know playing

00:26:26.039 –> 00:26:30.099
with logic and a little more like um rooted in

00:26:30.099 –> 00:26:34.140
like academic and and more like thoughtfulness

00:26:34.140 –> 00:26:37.619
as opposed to appealing more to your like uh

00:26:37.619 –> 00:26:42.259
fear and and fun you know just like more like

00:26:42.259 –> 00:26:46.160
bodily sensations, you know? I suppose. I mean,

00:26:46.160 –> 00:26:49.200
I guess it’s a case by case as what’s, what’s

00:26:49.200 –> 00:26:52.420
considered in this. I saw like, I was looking

00:26:52.420 –> 00:26:55.960
this up earlier and art house on Wikipedia had

00:26:55.960 –> 00:26:58.359
a list of art house horror films. And some of

00:26:58.359 –> 00:27:00.980
them I’m like, I don’t feel like that. Like talk

00:27:00.980 –> 00:27:04.099
to me. Doesn’t strike me as they said that was

00:27:04.099 –> 00:27:05.839
art house. Yeah. I wouldn’t buy that for one

00:27:05.839 –> 00:27:09.210
second, but I, I mean, I don’t know who’s. editing

00:27:09.210 –> 00:27:13.089
that but it’s 824 right so it i mean maybe they’re

00:27:13.089 –> 00:27:16.170
just defining it as like films that would play

00:27:16.170 –> 00:27:17.890
in art house cinemas but i feel like that’s all

00:27:17.890 –> 00:27:20.190
horror you know mostly speaking because like

00:27:20.190 –> 00:27:22.630
it’s all not not all but most of it is fairly

00:27:22.630 –> 00:27:27.269
low like indie you know right but it what’s interesting

00:27:27.269 –> 00:27:29.529
and this is my theory is like so you had this

00:27:29.529 –> 00:27:31.750
big wave of these movies that came out and are

00:27:31.750 –> 00:27:35.029
still kind of coming out and then you have terrifier

00:27:35.029 –> 00:27:38.609
coming out which is this total splatter slasher

00:27:38.609 –> 00:27:42.609
you know clown horror that is a feels like a

00:27:42.609 –> 00:27:46.309
complete reaction to it and is doing is thriving

00:27:46.309 –> 00:27:49.809
so it’s it’s interesting when you look at trends

00:27:49.809 –> 00:27:52.670
of these things and one thing will then right

00:27:52.670 –> 00:27:54.210
well that’s what’s interesting about horror as

00:27:54.210 –> 00:27:56.150
a genre and why there’s so many sub genres right

00:27:56.150 –> 00:27:58.930
is like there’s a wide range of people who are

00:27:58.930 –> 00:28:01.690
in her into horror as a genre that like different

00:28:01.690 –> 00:28:04.349
things but also i think most horror fans kind

00:28:04.349 –> 00:28:06.650
of like all the different sub genres. It’s like

00:28:06.650 –> 00:28:08.390
this interesting world where you can kind of

00:28:08.390 –> 00:28:10.750
play and experiment. Yeah. I mean, I think I

00:28:10.750 –> 00:28:12.769
could go through any of these and I would, there’d

00:28:12.769 –> 00:28:15.049
be a movie I’d like. Yeah. And there’d also be

00:28:15.049 –> 00:28:17.289
movies I wouldn’t like. Totally. But yeah, it’s,

00:28:17.289 –> 00:28:22.170
it’s horror castle wide net. The next sub genre

00:28:22.170 –> 00:28:26.849
is torture porn, which lingers on graphic violent,

00:28:26.930 –> 00:28:30.289
violent atrocities where characters suffer. Right.

00:28:30.450 –> 00:28:32.150
There’s unfortunately, it doesn’t have a lot

00:28:32.150 –> 00:28:33.650
to do with porn. It’s more to do with torture.

00:28:34.119 –> 00:28:37.220
Well, the idea is, you know, it’s meditating

00:28:37.220 –> 00:28:43.039
on people who get off the torture. So those you

00:28:43.039 –> 00:28:46.880
think of saw you think of hostile Eden Lake counts

00:28:46.880 –> 00:28:49.619
as that, I would guess. And then it’s interesting

00:28:49.619 –> 00:28:51.960
if you think of like martyrs and Hellraiser,

00:28:52.019 –> 00:28:54.180
because those have themes of suffering, but they

00:28:54.180 –> 00:28:57.180
don’t quite exploit it. Like the subgenre suggests

00:28:57.180 –> 00:29:01.140
even misery, for example. But with the hobbling,

00:29:01.160 –> 00:29:03.660
I was going to say misery because. yeah for for

00:29:03.660 –> 00:29:07.240
that but it’s not rooted you know but is that

00:29:07.240 –> 00:29:08.759
even a horror that could be a thriller you know

00:29:08.759 –> 00:29:11.480
yeah that’s that kind of blurs those lines yeah

00:29:11.480 –> 00:29:13.759
um but it’s it’s interesting to think of that

00:29:13.759 –> 00:29:18.019
uh the next is horror sci -fi one of my favorite

00:29:18.019 –> 00:29:22.859
genres that i feel like is criminally under appreciated

00:29:22.859 –> 00:29:26.460
or like not enough films in this genre well no

00:29:26.460 –> 00:29:30.579
there there are um sometimes it’s I don’t know.

00:29:30.680 –> 00:29:32.720
It’s, it’s, it’s weird because it’s like, if

00:29:32.720 –> 00:29:34.819
you have an alien movie, then it’s an alien movie.

00:29:34.880 –> 00:29:36.700
You don’t think of it as a sci -fi movie as much,

00:29:36.779 –> 00:29:38.700
but yeah, I’m thinking like event horizon, like

00:29:38.700 –> 00:29:41.940
there’s both evil supernatural, but in a sci

00:29:41.940 –> 00:29:44.880
-fi context. Right. A lot of time, I think they

00:29:44.880 –> 00:29:49.380
have like a big paranoia is a, a theme from a

00:29:49.380 –> 00:29:52.000
lot of them. Uh, invasion of the body snatchers

00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:56.509
is one alien, the blob, uh, a more recent. kind

00:29:56.509 –> 00:29:59.589
of deeper cut is is spring that i highly recommend

00:29:59.589 –> 00:30:02.650
um but yeah i know i mean like the thing there

00:30:02.650 –> 00:30:06.849
there’s countless yeah sci -fi horror i think

00:30:06.849 –> 00:30:09.690
of movies like alien is you know it’s an alien

00:30:09.690 –> 00:30:11.769
movie but but really it’s a creature feature

00:30:11.769 –> 00:30:15.750
it’s that too yeah cross -pollinating uh the

00:30:15.750 –> 00:30:19.869
next is horror comedy um those movies are played

00:30:19.869 –> 00:30:22.619
for laughs and scares Uh, when they’re good,

00:30:22.660 –> 00:30:24.799
the balance is kind of fun. So, I mean, you could

00:30:24.799 –> 00:30:27.599
say lost boys is one return to living dead. I

00:30:27.599 –> 00:30:31.700
would even say dream scenario. Um, boys from

00:30:31.700 –> 00:30:34.440
County hell, Sean of the dead, Sean of the dead.

00:30:34.579 –> 00:30:36.640
Yeah. And that’s, would you say Sean of the dead

00:30:36.640 –> 00:30:41.799
is also a satire? Yeah. I mean, I don’t know

00:30:41.799 –> 00:30:45.900
if I’d call it. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of, yeah.

00:30:45.960 –> 00:30:47.960
I mean, it, it takes a piss out of zombie films,

00:30:48.019 –> 00:30:51.829
but like, you know, I’m a, it doesn’t, It’s not

00:30:51.829 –> 00:30:54.430
saying anything about culture larger either.

00:30:54.809 –> 00:30:57.230
Right. I don’t think, but the, well, the thing

00:30:57.230 –> 00:30:59.990
I will say about horror comedies is a lot of

00:30:59.990 –> 00:31:02.630
times, sadly, they are not scary or funny. They’re

00:31:02.630 –> 00:31:04.470
kind of like middle of the road. So it’s like

00:31:04.470 –> 00:31:08.109
it, when they’re good, I will celebrate the hell

00:31:08.109 –> 00:31:10.630
out of them. I think the sweet spot there is

00:31:10.630 –> 00:31:13.750
fun. Yeah. Yeah. They’re usually fun. Like, I

00:31:13.750 –> 00:31:17.130
think we saw like 25 years ago together, we saw,

00:31:17.130 –> 00:31:19.750
uh, warm bodies or something like that. I have

00:31:19.750 –> 00:31:22.000
not seen warm bodies. was it maybe it wasn’t

00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:24.160
warm bodies we saw a film together that was like

00:31:24.160 –> 00:31:27.319
idle hands i remember idle hands that’s that’s

00:31:27.319 –> 00:31:29.559
horror comedy yeah maybe maybe i saw warm bodies

00:31:29.559 –> 00:31:31.180
without you but that that reminds me of that

00:31:31.180 –> 00:31:32.720
movie which i actually did quite enjoy it’s almost

00:31:32.720 –> 00:31:35.940
like a romantic comedy but zombie yeah yeah and

00:31:35.940 –> 00:31:38.200
i’ve seen a part of it i saw it on like cable

00:31:38.200 –> 00:31:41.519
yeah um that that was referenced at horror trivia

00:31:41.519 –> 00:31:44.839
last night actually for valentine’s day um so

00:31:44.839 –> 00:31:51.660
the next horror subgenre is horror thriller uh

00:31:51.660 –> 00:31:54.859
in my opinion it’s kind of the best of both worlds

00:31:54.859 –> 00:31:57.319
in that they’re high state horror movies that

00:31:57.319 –> 00:32:00.420
move fast and the suspense is cranked so you

00:32:00.420 –> 00:32:03.640
have like the evil dead one dark night uh demons

00:32:03.640 –> 00:32:07.779
the italian movie uh you witness the movie that

00:32:07.779 –> 00:32:09.559
takes place in russia now i would kill to see

00:32:09.559 –> 00:32:13.359
a safty brothers film in yeah in this world that

00:32:13.359 –> 00:32:15.180
would be interesting for them to do that because

00:32:15.180 –> 00:32:17.599
you have a panic attack watching any i mean i

00:32:17.599 –> 00:32:19.200
have a panic attack just watching adam sandler

00:32:19.200 –> 00:32:22.460
try to sell gems you know like yeah i mean that

00:32:22.460 –> 00:32:26.140
that is that that’s suspense on fucking speed

00:32:26.140 –> 00:32:31.279
uh road horror is kind of a more niche one but

00:32:31.279 –> 00:32:33.059
it’s self -explanatory it takes place on the

00:32:33.059 –> 00:32:36.539
road right so race with the devil uh the hitcher

00:32:36.539 –> 00:32:41.299
black cadillac there’s a 2008 movie hush that

00:32:41.299 –> 00:32:44.420
i like it’s british horror film where you know

00:32:44.420 –> 00:32:46.559
someone’s fucking with you on the road would

00:32:46.559 –> 00:32:49.099
you think the duel falls into this category yeah

00:32:49.099 –> 00:32:51.619
i mean people might say it’s more thriller than

00:32:51.619 –> 00:32:54.779
thriller but it’s yeah it’s that yeah right yeah

00:32:54.779 –> 00:32:56.900
duel is one of my favorite spielberg movies by

00:32:56.900 –> 00:33:02.079
the way um the next one is eco horror which is

00:33:02.079 –> 00:33:05.079
when nature gets its revenge and attacks people

00:33:05.079 –> 00:33:08.420
it’s it’s synonymous with like animal attacks

00:33:08.420 –> 00:33:10.680
because usually it’s like all right the birds

00:33:10.680 –> 00:33:15.119
right like anaconda or well with anaconda maybe

00:33:15.119 –> 00:33:18.960
i think when it’s like multiple insects or multiple

00:33:18.960 –> 00:33:22.500
like that i remember as a kid watching this horror

00:33:22.500 –> 00:33:25.819
called ants or the ants or something like that

00:33:25.819 –> 00:33:28.420
terrified me and it was like all about just like

00:33:28.420 –> 00:33:30.539
the swarm of ants killing people in some research

00:33:30.539 –> 00:33:32.900
station or so i barely remember yeah but it leaves

00:33:32.900 –> 00:33:35.220
an impact because it’s like the answer real i

00:33:35.220 –> 00:33:37.000
mean i’ve never liked ants since i’ll be honest

00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:40.920
kingdom of the spiders is another one or The

00:33:40.920 –> 00:33:44.019
Long Weekend is a… There’s actually a number

00:33:44.019 –> 00:33:45.359
of these coming out right now. There’s, like,

00:33:45.380 –> 00:33:49.420
Shiver. There’s another arachnophobia -like movie,

00:33:49.539 –> 00:33:53.059
a French movie, called Bang. I forget what it’s

00:33:53.059 –> 00:33:55.119
called right now. There was Sting that came out

00:33:55.119 –> 00:33:57.400
last year or the year before. No, this is a new

00:33:57.400 –> 00:34:00.400
one. It’s, like, all in French. They, like, infest

00:34:00.400 –> 00:34:02.380
an apartment block. That’s already out. I think

00:34:02.380 –> 00:34:05.720
it’s called Infest… Infested. Infested, that’s

00:34:05.720 –> 00:34:09.519
it. That’s a pretty wild movie. Did you see it?

00:34:09.820 –> 00:34:15.739
I did. Yeah. Cool. It, it was good. I, it, to

00:34:15.739 –> 00:34:18.139
me, my, my criticism is when you have something

00:34:18.139 –> 00:34:22.139
like that, you’re in it and it just keeps repeating

00:34:22.139 –> 00:34:24.400
a lot of the same beats. You know, it can feel

00:34:24.400 –> 00:34:27.300
very repetitive. Yeah. I mean, I have that problem

00:34:27.300 –> 00:34:30.539
with a lot of like slasher, you know, a lot,

00:34:30.539 –> 00:34:32.519
there’s a number of these sub genres that I think

00:34:32.519 –> 00:34:35.400
like do that. Yeah. I mean, if, if done poorly.

00:34:35.869 –> 00:34:38.289
right and i don’t it’s not done poorly like it’s

00:34:38.289 –> 00:34:41.429
it’s got that adrenaline to it but it’s just

00:34:41.429 –> 00:34:43.309
when you see a lot of movies you start to pick

00:34:43.309 –> 00:34:45.610
up on i mean the original uh well arachnophobia

00:34:45.610 –> 00:34:49.070
like i haven’t seen it in probably 25 years but

00:34:49.070 –> 00:34:52.070
like it still holds a place in my mind i was

00:34:52.070 –> 00:34:54.670
like i remember it just being like kind of terrifying

00:34:54.670 –> 00:34:57.469
but also a really good film yeah that also kind

00:34:57.469 –> 00:35:00.550
of fits into comedy horror there’s comedy it’s

00:35:00.550 –> 00:35:02.809
light -hearted for sure yeah i i saw that with

00:35:02.809 –> 00:35:06.389
my mom in booth bay harbor maine and it was night

00:35:06.389 –> 00:35:08.650
or driving back i don’t know how old i was when

00:35:08.650 –> 00:35:11.130
it came out and there was a cricket in the car

00:35:11.130 –> 00:35:14.090
that jumped on me she’s like that’s the last

00:35:14.090 –> 00:35:16.130
time i take you to a horror movie that shit was

00:35:16.130 –> 00:35:21.170
insane um so that’s kind of fun um so after uh

00:35:21.170 –> 00:35:24.429
eco horror or animals attacks oh we got evil

00:35:24.429 –> 00:35:27.460
children Again, self -explanatory. I don’t know

00:35:27.460 –> 00:35:29.659
if The Bad Seed is considered the first one,

00:35:29.800 –> 00:35:33.380
but that goes back, I think, to the 50s. I mean,

00:35:33.380 –> 00:35:36.820
that’s technically not a kid, I guess. Well,

00:35:37.000 –> 00:35:39.900
yeah, no. I mean, that’s not the evil kid, but

00:35:39.900 –> 00:35:43.099
it’s The Omen, you have Damien, Village of the

00:35:43.099 –> 00:35:47.840
Damned. A movie I absolutely swear by, Who Can

00:35:47.840 –> 00:35:51.980
Kill a Child, that is terrifying and eerie and

00:35:51.980 –> 00:35:54.480
deals with the evil kid things. What about Children

00:35:54.480 –> 00:35:57.230
of the Corn? It’s kind of similar to that, but

00:35:57.230 –> 00:36:00.289
it’s a bit more eerie. But would that fit with

00:36:00.289 –> 00:36:02.909
Children of the Cornfield? Yeah, of course. Yeah,

00:36:03.030 –> 00:36:07.110
I think now being a father, it’s funny. When

00:36:07.110 –> 00:36:11.929
I think about film concepts, I’ve started gravitating

00:36:11.929 –> 00:36:14.550
towards the evil children a lot recently. And

00:36:14.550 –> 00:36:17.750
it’s not because my kid’s evil, though. If he’s

00:36:17.750 –> 00:36:21.989
hungry, he can be that way. But just because…

00:36:23.079 –> 00:36:26.139
when you become a parent you see the world now

00:36:26.139 –> 00:36:29.679
in a slightly different way and and you see the

00:36:29.679 –> 00:36:33.059
sort of vulnerability in being a parent and and

00:36:33.059 –> 00:36:35.199
having children in a different way and that it’s

00:36:35.199 –> 00:36:38.639
like you could totally see the ripeness for horror

00:36:38.639 –> 00:36:42.800
i also totally avoid movies where children are

00:36:42.800 –> 00:36:47.420
at risk yeah i’m sure i i’ve i have friends exactly

00:36:47.420 –> 00:36:50.139
like that yeah Bright burn is an interesting

00:36:50.139 –> 00:36:52.340
one because that’s basically if it’s like evil

00:36:52.340 –> 00:36:56.380
Superman. Um, that’s a brutal movie too. Yeah.

00:36:56.500 –> 00:36:58.639
Um, so I think, I think you guys get the point.

00:36:58.719 –> 00:37:02.860
Uh, the next one is horror musicals, right? Musicals

00:37:02.860 –> 00:37:05.500
with a horror backdrop. Phantom of the opera

00:37:05.500 –> 00:37:08.659
is probably the OG on this. Uh, Rocky horror

00:37:08.659 –> 00:37:11.619
picture show is, is one, I guess you’d say, uh,

00:37:11.780 –> 00:37:15.960
little shop of horrors, Sweeney Todd. Yeah. I

00:37:15.960 –> 00:37:19.289
mean, I remember before Christmas. Yeah. I actually

00:37:19.289 –> 00:37:21.750
got a curveball for you. Yeah, hit me. Cannibal

00:37:21.750 –> 00:37:24.530
the Musical. Yeah, yeah. The South Park dudes,

00:37:24.630 –> 00:37:27.550
right? Yeah. Trauma. They did it as their college

00:37:27.550 –> 00:37:31.010
thesis film at my alma mater, University of Colorado.

00:37:31.690 –> 00:37:34.309
And that’s basically our one claim to fame. Well,

00:37:34.389 –> 00:37:35.829
I didn’t go to film school there, but the film

00:37:35.829 –> 00:37:40.610
school’s one claim to fame is the Trey and Matt

00:37:40.610 –> 00:37:45.050
Stone. No shit. That’s fun. When I was in high

00:37:45.050 –> 00:37:48.339
school, this was before South Park was out. like

00:37:48.339 –> 00:37:52.380
copies of the first episode that I guess caught

00:37:52.380 –> 00:37:54.800
George Clooney’s attention made their way through

00:37:54.800 –> 00:37:57.579
college campuses. So this, this kid Forbes had

00:37:57.579 –> 00:37:59.780
that. And my friend Alex and I went and put it

00:37:59.780 –> 00:38:01.719
on and we were like, well, holy shit, this is

00:38:01.719 –> 00:38:04.340
insane. And you know, like a year and a half

00:38:04.340 –> 00:38:06.900
later it was on comedy central. Yeah. That’s

00:38:06.900 –> 00:38:10.019
cool. Yeah. The other exception, I mean, they’re

00:38:10.019 –> 00:38:11.840
not really, he’s not an alum, but he teaches

00:38:11.840 –> 00:38:15.239
there, which is Alex Cox. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah.

00:38:15.760 –> 00:38:17.820
that’s very cool he’s kind of there i mean he’s

00:38:17.820 –> 00:38:19.320
kind of old now so maybe he doesn’t work there

00:38:19.320 –> 00:38:23.179
anymore but he did for a while right on um okay

00:38:23.179 –> 00:38:27.099
the next topic or next subgenre and i’m sure

00:38:27.099 –> 00:38:29.920
you’ve heard of this is body horror which is

00:38:29.920 –> 00:38:32.880
practically any david cronenberg movie in other

00:38:32.880 –> 00:38:37.179
words um also really hot right now david cronenberg

00:38:37.179 –> 00:38:41.309
no no uh body horror yeah it’s it’s you’re seeing

00:38:41.309 –> 00:38:43.710
a lot of it um it’s it’s where you know something

00:38:43.710 –> 00:38:46.849
disturbing is happening to someone’s body usually

00:38:46.849 –> 00:38:50.570
uh the brode speaking of cronenberg the thing

00:38:50.570 –> 00:38:55.789
the substance uh society is a pretty wild one

00:38:55.789 –> 00:38:59.010
if you haven’t seen that um and i mean but you

00:38:59.010 –> 00:39:00.690
could also say like any werewolf movie could

00:39:00.690 –> 00:39:03.030
count same with vampire or zombie though it’s

00:39:03.030 –> 00:39:05.929
not usually quite focused on the horror of the

00:39:05.929 –> 00:39:08.409
transformation but yeah when we’re done recording

00:39:08.409 –> 00:39:10.389
let me tell you about my body horror concept

00:39:10.389 –> 00:39:16.190
okay i’m all ears um so after body horror we

00:39:16.190 –> 00:39:18.530
got supernatural which is definitely an umbrella

00:39:18.530 –> 00:39:20.909
term for anything that’s not science fiction

00:39:20.909 –> 00:39:24.369
or fantasy per se beyond nature leaning into

00:39:24.369 –> 00:39:27.769
ghosts impossible phenomena phenomena uh that’s

00:39:27.769 –> 00:39:30.869
that’s accepted so practically anything where

00:39:30.869 –> 00:39:33.250
it’s not a man or monster sci -fi horror movie

00:39:33.250 –> 00:39:38.440
maybe And it’s probably more about it being,

00:39:38.460 –> 00:39:40.960
you know, when you combine genres, this is like,

00:39:40.980 –> 00:39:44.480
you know, like a large swath of horror films

00:39:44.480 –> 00:39:47.260
are supernaturally based, but they’re also fall

00:39:47.260 –> 00:39:50.039
in other genres. Right. I know when I was younger,

00:39:50.119 –> 00:39:52.559
I felt like horror movies had to be supernatural

00:39:52.559 –> 00:39:56.239
to be horror movies. So like, but then you look

00:39:56.239 –> 00:39:57.960
at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and you’re like,

00:39:58.019 –> 00:40:00.070
well, that’s. You would say that’s a horror movie.

00:40:00.230 –> 00:40:01.929
Right. But someone would be like Green Room is

00:40:01.929 –> 00:40:04.190
not. And I could see that as well. Well, that’s

00:40:04.190 –> 00:40:06.610
a thriller. Right. But I mean, it’s got the gore

00:40:06.610 –> 00:40:10.429
of a horror and feels like one. So, yeah, supernatural

00:40:10.429 –> 00:40:13.289
horror movie. So getting into that, we could

00:40:13.289 –> 00:40:16.610
look at ghost stories, paranormal, also an umbrella

00:40:16.610 –> 00:40:19.349
term that’s more specific to ghosts or haunted

00:40:19.349 –> 00:40:22.389
houses. Amityville Horror, Poltergeist, The Fog,

00:40:22.449 –> 00:40:26.550
The Changeling are all like pretty classic ghost

00:40:26.550 –> 00:40:29.679
story, paranormal movies. Question for you, though.

00:40:29.760 –> 00:40:31.659
Yes, sir. Well, I mean, you can have ghost stories

00:40:31.659 –> 00:40:34.260
that aren’t horrors, too, which is interesting.

00:40:34.400 –> 00:40:35.940
Of course. You can’t have slashers that aren’t

00:40:35.940 –> 00:40:37.239
horror, but you can have ghost stories that aren’t

00:40:37.239 –> 00:40:41.019
horrors. You could probably do some comedy version

00:40:41.019 –> 00:40:46.500
of slasher. But it’d still be a horror. Maybe.

00:40:46.719 –> 00:40:48.739
I don’t know. Maybe. You have to get really creative.

00:40:49.340 –> 00:40:51.360
Like an anti -horror slasher. Well, I mean, you

00:40:51.360 –> 00:40:53.460
could say, like, well, like, the version of that

00:40:53.460 –> 00:40:55.559
might be, like, Sweeney Dodd, right? Like, it’s…

00:40:55.559 –> 00:40:59.730
Or Dexter. but it’s still yeah i mean it’s it’s

00:40:59.730 –> 00:41:02.969
macabre enough to be horror you would at least

00:41:02.969 –> 00:41:05.409
call it like a horror that’s a great point you

00:41:05.409 –> 00:41:08.429
know horror drama i’ll have to think on this

00:41:08.429 –> 00:41:11.710
but there might be something like that that’s

00:41:11.710 –> 00:41:16.190
uh i don’t know um so we got vampires obviously

00:41:16.190 –> 00:41:19.429
self -explanatory uh dracula 30 days a night

00:41:19.429 –> 00:41:22.349
let the right one in uh vamp is kind of a fun

00:41:22.349 –> 00:41:25.489
would let the right one in also be a creepy child

00:41:25.489 –> 00:41:29.809
one yeah i think you it would count it’s not

00:41:29.809 –> 00:41:31.710
you wouldn’t think of it the same way but it

00:41:31.710 –> 00:41:34.670
yeah i think it’s like a technicality genre yeah

00:41:34.670 –> 00:41:37.550
crossover yeah that’s a great great movie i even

00:41:37.550 –> 00:41:40.650
like the uh the remake of it let me in and the

00:41:40.650 –> 00:41:45.170
book um then we got zombies right self -explanatory

00:41:45.170 –> 00:41:49.010
uh what george romero redefined night of the

00:41:49.010 –> 00:41:51.570
living dead’s kind of the the go -to blueprint

00:41:51.570 –> 00:41:54.389
for a lot of zombie movies but i will say not

00:41:54.389 –> 00:41:57.570
all zombie movies are just hordes of the undead

00:41:57.570 –> 00:42:01.010
uh serpent in the rainbow pet cemetery are also

00:42:01.010 –> 00:42:03.329
other takes on zombie stories well not to mention

00:42:03.329 –> 00:42:09.110
uh the last of us and silent hill and uh or resident

00:42:09.110 –> 00:42:12.469
resident evil res what’s the one where they uh

00:42:12.469 –> 00:42:15.269
the fungus that’s the last of us well there’s

00:42:15.269 –> 00:42:17.769
lots of us but it’s also in silent hill or or

00:42:17.769 –> 00:42:20.420
resident evil one of those two yeah they do that

00:42:20.420 –> 00:42:22.980
in the resident evil games resident evil i think

00:42:22.980 –> 00:42:25.900
kind of started mainly with a big focus on zombies

00:42:25.900 –> 00:42:28.900
but it was right it’s obviously gone right yeah

00:42:28.900 –> 00:42:32.940
it’s resident evil right um anyways yeah i think

00:42:32.940 –> 00:42:36.480
i think that’s what you’re seeing lately in zombie

00:42:36.480 –> 00:42:38.920
films right is like the need to explain where

00:42:38.920 –> 00:42:42.159
the zombies come from and so you’re getting more

00:42:42.159 –> 00:42:44.739
creative like causes of the of the zombie like

00:42:44.739 –> 00:42:48.579
is it a virus is it a fungus is it a whatever

00:42:48.579 –> 00:42:53.280
you know right yeah i mean zombies are just i

00:42:53.280 –> 00:42:55.800
don’t know they’re uh i feel like that you can

00:42:55.800 –> 00:42:58.239
always make zombie movies but the the trick is

00:42:58.239 –> 00:43:00.639
to do something interesting and different with

00:43:00.639 –> 00:43:03.300
them which can be challenging definitely i mean

00:43:03.300 –> 00:43:05.280
that’s true with a lot of these more traditional

00:43:05.280 –> 00:43:10.400
ones like vampires and you know like ghost stories

00:43:10.400 –> 00:43:13.239
even you know right well the fun thing about

00:43:13.239 –> 00:43:16.579
zombies is when 28 days later it came out People

00:43:16.579 –> 00:43:19.500
will and still, I’m sure, argue if that’s a zombie

00:43:19.500 –> 00:43:21.420
movie because they’re not actually dead, right?

00:43:23.059 –> 00:43:27.019
Fair enough. But I don’t know why you’d get so

00:43:27.019 –> 00:43:28.679
passionate over that, even though I’m sure at

00:43:28.679 –> 00:43:30.780
one point I was. I think you would classify it

00:43:30.780 –> 00:43:33.519
as that because, you know, being a zombie is

00:43:33.519 –> 00:43:35.440
less, I guess is what we’re getting at through

00:43:35.440 –> 00:43:39.219
this conversation, is less about, even though

00:43:39.219 –> 00:43:41.199
we have traditionally thought of him as the undead,

00:43:41.260 –> 00:43:45.000
it’s more this idea of this sort of once -human

00:43:46.110 –> 00:43:49.690
now soulless and and like kind of not on your

00:43:49.690 –> 00:43:53.489
right mind and like lots of them you know right

00:43:53.489 –> 00:43:56.329
so i feel like you can plug in the details around

00:43:56.329 –> 00:43:58.070
that but that’s kind of the core of what a zombie

00:43:58.070 –> 00:44:00.889
film is i i feel like i’ve seen this touched

00:44:00.889 –> 00:44:03.449
on and i’m sure it’s crossed lots of people’s

00:44:03.449 –> 00:44:06.010
minds is like you know where zombies walk around

00:44:06.010 –> 00:44:08.750
looking at fucking iphones right but i don’t

00:44:08.750 –> 00:44:11.230
think i’ve seen a movie that’s really parodied

00:44:11.230 –> 00:44:13.469
that the whole way through right though maybe

00:44:13.469 –> 00:44:16.880
that’s out there or someone’s working um okay

00:44:16.880 –> 00:44:22.519
so after uh zombies what do we got we got werewolves

00:44:22.519 –> 00:44:26.340
another self -explanatory subgenre you have american

00:44:26.340 –> 00:44:29.400
werewolf in london the howling silver bullet

00:44:29.400 –> 00:44:33.360
uh dog soldiers um they’re always cool when done

00:44:33.360 –> 00:44:35.900
well because the transformation is like what

00:44:35.900 –> 00:44:38.940
makes or breaks these things right right i’m

00:44:38.940 –> 00:44:40.760
actually working on a werewolf script myself

00:44:40.760 –> 00:44:44.119
really yeah yeah that’s called uh At the moment,

00:44:44.199 –> 00:44:46.840
Werewolves of Mount Washington. Coming to a theater

00:44:46.840 –> 00:44:49.860
near you in about seven years. Okay. Keep an

00:44:49.860 –> 00:44:54.400
eye for it. The next subgenre is cannibal, right?

00:44:55.079 –> 00:44:58.539
The Hills Have Eyes, We Are What We Are, Bones

00:44:58.539 –> 00:45:02.099
and All. And there’s also Horror Western is another

00:45:02.099 –> 00:45:05.519
subgenre that falls into this with the cannibals.

00:45:06.460 –> 00:45:09.739
And cannibals just fucked me up, man. It’s such

00:45:09.739 –> 00:45:15.769
a disturbing phenomenon. Like, it’s so transgressive.

00:45:17.230 –> 00:45:19.590
It’s very taboo to eat another person. Well,

00:45:19.610 –> 00:45:21.730
Night of the Living Dead, as a little kid when

00:45:21.730 –> 00:45:26.130
I watched that, it’s not cannibals, but it’s

00:45:26.130 –> 00:45:28.429
eating people, right? And the scene with the

00:45:28.429 –> 00:45:31.010
daughter killing, matricide killing her mom,

00:45:31.090 –> 00:45:34.590
and can you eat the mom? Yeah, like, that shit’s

00:45:34.590 –> 00:45:39.250
pretty heavy. So the next one we have is Clowns

00:45:39.250 –> 00:45:41.760
again. self -explanatory as a lot of these are

00:45:41.760 –> 00:45:43.599
i fucking hate clowns and let me tell you not

00:45:43.599 –> 00:45:47.980
just not this genre i just i just don’t they

00:45:47.980 –> 00:45:52.119
do nothing for me either scary why i mean i’m

00:45:52.119 –> 00:45:55.579
scared of them just because as a kid like not

00:45:55.579 –> 00:45:57.579
scared is like terrified but scared isn’t like

00:45:57.579 –> 00:46:01.079
like they’re just something weird and i don’t

00:46:01.079 –> 00:46:03.820
like them that’s i mean that’s what’s kind of

00:46:03.820 –> 00:46:05.980
interesting right they’re they’re for kids but

00:46:06.280 –> 00:46:08.440
They look creepy as shit. Yeah, but they’re also,

00:46:08.519 –> 00:46:10.820
like, cliche. I don’t know. I’m just not a fan

00:46:10.820 –> 00:46:13.380
of the genre, I guess. Oh, you got your It. You

00:46:13.380 –> 00:46:16.619
got Terrifier. Killer Clowns from Outer Space

00:46:16.619 –> 00:46:20.860
is a very fun one. Hell House LLC, I think, is

00:46:20.860 –> 00:46:23.380
probably the creepiest thing I’ve seen with a

00:46:23.380 –> 00:46:26.519
clown. Would you put Five Nights at Freddy’s

00:46:26.519 –> 00:46:30.400
in this category? I mean, that’s like animatronics.

00:46:30.780 –> 00:46:33.079
Yeah, I know, I know. But it’s kind of clown

00:46:33.079 –> 00:46:36.320
-y -like, right? Carnival horror? Yeah, I mean,

00:46:36.320 –> 00:46:38.940
I’m lumping carnival horror into that. Yeah,

00:46:38.940 –> 00:46:42.500
let’s talk carnival horror. Is that a whole sub

00:46:42.500 –> 00:46:46.300
-genre? I mean, it could be. You have Santa Sangre,

00:46:46.380 –> 00:46:48.139
which is, you’d probably like that if you’ve

00:46:48.139 –> 00:46:49.960
not seen that. I haven’t seen it. Jordanowski.

00:46:50.739 –> 00:46:53.559
Oh, yeah, he’s interesting. Yeah, it’s a really

00:46:53.559 –> 00:46:59.199
interesting carnival horror movie. and they i

00:46:59.199 –> 00:47:02.599
mean they have those uh what am i thinking of

00:47:02.599 –> 00:47:04.340
i can’t even think of the titles where they go

00:47:04.340 –> 00:47:08.219
to like amusement parks or haunted hay rides

00:47:08.219 –> 00:47:10.420
and whatever i mean that’s a little bit different

00:47:10.420 –> 00:47:13.079
but they’re yeah there probably could be an argument

00:47:13.079 –> 00:47:19.179
for carnival um okay so next is aquatic horror

00:47:19.179 –> 00:47:21.280
which is horror that has to do with the water

00:47:21.280 –> 00:47:25.519
often elements of sci -fi or lovecraftian Or

00:47:25.519 –> 00:47:27.320
they could be straight -up shark movies, The

00:47:27.320 –> 00:47:30.719
Abyss, Dagon, Humanoids from the Deep, Open Water.

00:47:31.099 –> 00:47:34.480
The Abyss is great. I actually think this is

00:47:34.480 –> 00:47:35.920
a genre that could be explored a little more

00:47:35.920 –> 00:47:37.739
because there’s something just terrifying about

00:47:37.739 –> 00:47:41.079
the ocean just for its massiveness, its depth,

00:47:41.119 –> 00:47:43.039
and the fact that it’s such a hostile environment

00:47:43.039 –> 00:47:45.780
to people, you know? Oh, absolutely. I mean,

00:47:45.800 –> 00:47:49.760
the ocean’s very fascinating because it’s almost

00:47:49.760 –> 00:47:52.539
like our outer space on Earth. Yeah. I wonder

00:47:52.539 –> 00:47:53.960
if you could put Iron Lung into this category.

00:47:55.500 –> 00:47:58.059
is that underwater or is it well it’s technically

00:47:58.059 –> 00:48:02.320
it’s under it’s in an ocean of blood so it’s

00:48:02.320 –> 00:48:05.599
and he’s in a submarine so it’s kind of underwater

00:48:05.599 –> 00:48:07.719
but he’s an ocean of blood on an alien planet

00:48:07.719 –> 00:48:11.059
yeah i mean battling monsters underwater so you

00:48:11.059 –> 00:48:14.659
know it’s its own genre maybe sci -fi horror

00:48:14.659 –> 00:48:19.420
right um okay the next one we got is cursed the

00:48:19.420 –> 00:48:22.070
gift that keeps giving Or to break the curse,

00:48:22.150 –> 00:48:25.570
you have to pass it on. So think Ringu, The Ring,

00:48:25.730 –> 00:48:30.090
It Follows, Smile. Any number of… There’s a

00:48:30.090 –> 00:48:32.550
lot of them. I think they get pretty creative

00:48:32.550 –> 00:48:35.530
with those movies. Like when you have a good

00:48:35.530 –> 00:48:37.550
idea, you can get a lot of mileage out of it.

00:48:38.610 –> 00:48:41.809
Next is possession. When someone or something

00:48:41.809 –> 00:48:45.070
is possessed. And I think if you hear the word

00:48:45.070 –> 00:48:47.309
possession, you’re going to think exorcism movies.

00:48:47.510 –> 00:48:49.949
So you have The Exorcist. But there’s plenty

00:48:49.949 –> 00:48:53.269
that are not exorcism movies. So there’s Christine,

00:48:53.510 –> 00:48:57.349
Cursed Car, Talk to Me, right? I mean, Weapons

00:48:57.349 –> 00:49:00.570
is technically a possession movie that has those

00:49:00.570 –> 00:49:04.409
elements. When Evil Lurks, these are all things

00:49:04.409 –> 00:49:07.469
that are not. The Monkey? That’s a cursed item,

00:49:07.570 –> 00:49:09.730
yeah. That’s cursed, different than possession.

00:49:10.530 –> 00:49:13.469
But, yeah. So it’s interesting because you can

00:49:13.469 –> 00:49:15.269
look at these sub -genres and think it’s just

00:49:15.269 –> 00:49:17.599
one thing and it’s… It’s not. I’m willing to

00:49:17.599 –> 00:49:19.219
say that those two genres are kind of the same

00:49:19.219 –> 00:49:22.800
thing. But I see the difference, but they could

00:49:22.800 –> 00:49:26.139
probably go together. They have similarities.

00:49:26.559 –> 00:49:29.840
Some of them are, I imagine. All right, we got

00:49:29.840 –> 00:49:32.360
Haunted House, right? Also self -explanatory.

00:49:32.360 –> 00:49:36.179
How is this different than Ghost? Yeah, it’s

00:49:36.179 –> 00:49:39.920
a place that you reside. And I guess that’s what’s…

00:49:39.920 –> 00:49:43.440
It’s like rooted in a building. Yeah, maybe if

00:49:43.440 –> 00:49:45.159
you don’t live there. You can live there or not.

00:49:46.190 –> 00:49:48.849
uh some some of those movies house on haunted

00:49:48.849 –> 00:49:51.389
hill paranormal activity narrative of demons

00:49:51.389 –> 00:49:56.130
which is also a demon and seance movie um which

00:49:56.130 –> 00:49:59.489
could be their own sub genres as well but you

00:49:59.489 –> 00:50:01.329
all i mean haunted houses are kind of like a

00:50:01.329 –> 00:50:08.090
staple uh next we have extreme um and that’s

00:50:08.090 –> 00:50:10.469
usually the stuff people regret watching because

00:50:10.469 –> 00:50:12.550
they want to see how disturbing something is

00:50:13.309 –> 00:50:16.010
They tend to confront viewers with taboo themes,

00:50:16.170 –> 00:50:19.150
brutal violence, and they’re often bleak. So

00:50:19.150 –> 00:50:22.309
you have a movie like a Serbian film, trauma,

00:50:22.730 –> 00:50:25.429
faces of death. I don’t know about faces of death.

00:50:25.489 –> 00:50:27.230
Isn’t that more, I mean, it’s kind of documentary.

00:50:27.590 –> 00:50:32.309
Well, what’s extreme about it is, I mean, in

00:50:32.309 –> 00:50:33.690
this day and age, you could probably look it

00:50:33.690 –> 00:50:36.150
up and find out what wasn’t really showing you

00:50:36.150 –> 00:50:39.210
someone die. Because some of them were faked.

00:50:39.230 –> 00:50:41.309
Oh, really? And some of them were actually supposed

00:50:41.309 –> 00:50:41.969
to be real. That makes me like it even less.

00:50:43.049 –> 00:50:45.690
Next. They’re making that movie this year, and

00:50:45.690 –> 00:50:47.150
I’m curious how they’re going to do it. But as

00:50:47.150 –> 00:50:49.469
a kid, you felt like you were getting your hands

00:50:49.469 –> 00:50:54.710
on something very taboo. The Sadness is probably

00:50:54.710 –> 00:50:58.789
the more recent one, and I would say that was

00:50:58.789 –> 00:51:01.369
interesting. I say that it’s basically like every

00:51:01.369 –> 00:51:04.210
Misfits lyrics come to life. It’s a zombie movie

00:51:04.210 –> 00:51:08.070
where it’s malice, so they’re just mean -spirited,

00:51:08.110 –> 00:51:11.230
trying to fucking do all sorts of awful things

00:51:11.230 –> 00:51:14.840
to people. Then there’s also kind of the French

00:51:14.840 –> 00:51:17.900
extremity films like Them, Trouble Every Day,

00:51:18.199 –> 00:51:22.340
Livid, Inside, Irreversible, that are post -2004

00:51:22.340 –> 00:51:25.099
when this stuff became a new wave of French horror.

00:51:25.559 –> 00:51:29.039
Basically, it’s like the French version of extreme

00:51:29.039 –> 00:51:32.400
films that influenced and caused an uptick in

00:51:32.400 –> 00:51:35.699
this stuff. Gaspar Noe is often associated with

00:51:35.699 –> 00:51:38.159
it. Oh, really? Yeah. The one who did like that.

00:51:38.539 –> 00:51:40.079
I mean, he does a lot of hardcore sex things

00:51:40.079 –> 00:51:42.920
too, right? Irreversible was a big one he did.

00:51:43.019 –> 00:51:46.019
That was actually great. Climax is one of them

00:51:46.019 –> 00:51:50.000
he did. Into the Void, I think, is his other.

00:51:50.039 –> 00:51:53.219
I think I was thinking of Lust or Love or something

00:51:53.219 –> 00:51:56.579
like that. Possibly? I don’t know. Carry on.

00:51:57.099 –> 00:51:59.099
But I think it’s also worth noting that in the

00:51:59.099 –> 00:52:01.699
70s, you have the kind of first wave of extreme

00:52:01.699 –> 00:52:04.539
movies that were grindhouse exploitation films.

00:52:05.119 –> 00:52:08.519
Not strictly horror, but… B -movies that were

00:52:08.519 –> 00:52:11.219
taboo. Last House on the Left, I Spit on Your

00:52:11.219 –> 00:52:14.320
Grave, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and almost like

00:52:14.320 –> 00:52:17.840
any 70s movies that were indie in a way because

00:52:17.840 –> 00:52:21.619
they were just doing really shocking shit. Pivoting

00:52:21.619 –> 00:52:24.519
from that, we have Creature Feature, which I

00:52:24.519 –> 00:52:26.739
guess is an umbrella term for monster movie.

00:52:27.559 –> 00:52:30.739
It almost feels like a dated term as it’s not

00:52:30.739 –> 00:52:34.039
so commonly used. It’s usually where giant beasts

00:52:34.039 –> 00:52:36.940
or the antagonists or alien creatures, so you’re…

00:52:37.179 –> 00:52:40.400
king kong dracula i guess creature from the black

00:52:40.400 –> 00:52:43.639
lagoon um they’re all kind of classics right

00:52:43.639 –> 00:52:46.019
but more modern i think of like eight -legged

00:52:46.019 –> 00:52:49.119
freaks or maybe i don’t know if i’d say troll

00:52:49.119 –> 00:52:52.179
hunter is one but yeah of course i mean honestly

00:52:52.179 –> 00:52:55.719
i i think that any big creature that people are

00:52:55.719 –> 00:52:58.780
fighting falls in this category okay so we kind

00:52:58.780 –> 00:53:00.739
of touched on animal attack with the eco horror

00:53:00.739 –> 00:53:05.900
sub -genre uh i mean it’s jaws crawl burning

00:53:05.900 –> 00:53:09.090
bright is a fucking wild one that’s also eco

00:53:09.090 –> 00:53:12.030
horror that’s a tiger trapped in a house during

00:53:12.030 –> 00:53:15.610
a hurricane with like a a woman and her like

00:53:15.610 –> 00:53:18.869
autistic son or little brother the fucking tiger

00:53:18.869 –> 00:53:21.989
in a house it’s like throwing everything out

00:53:21.989 –> 00:53:24.710
right does that take place in india no i don’t

00:53:24.710 –> 00:53:27.230
i don’t know where it takes place in meatloaf

00:53:27.230 –> 00:53:30.670
is in it so classic that’s like one of the things

00:53:30.670 –> 00:53:32.489
i had to watch because i’m like this is an actual

00:53:32.489 –> 00:53:36.150
movie and Sure enough, it is. And it’s not bad.

00:53:36.289 –> 00:53:40.010
Like, it’s entertaining. Snakes on a Plane, I

00:53:40.010 –> 00:53:43.429
guess you could say, is one, right? Next up,

00:53:43.590 –> 00:53:46.769
religious horror, which is an emphasis on religion

00:53:46.769 –> 00:53:49.889
or religious themes. And then you got a sub -sub

00:53:49.889 –> 00:53:52.809
-genre of, like, nun horror. Yeah, nunsploitation.

00:53:53.210 –> 00:53:55.570
Nunsploitation. I mean, with the religious thing,

00:53:55.610 –> 00:53:58.269
you got Alice Sweet Alice, frailty, you’d say

00:53:58.269 –> 00:54:02.610
end of days, the vigil. What about, like… stigmata.

00:54:02.610 –> 00:54:05.289
That’s not really a horror though, is it? I think

00:54:05.289 –> 00:54:08.170
it’s classified as one. I don’t remember liking

00:54:08.170 –> 00:54:10.170
that. I don’t remember much about it. I mean,

00:54:10.230 –> 00:54:12.369
at the time I liked it, but I was also like 17

00:54:12.369 –> 00:54:17.070
or 18 when it came out. But I mean, the soundtrack

00:54:17.070 –> 00:54:20.070
was fucking banger. What was on the soundtrack?

00:54:20.269 –> 00:54:26.369
It was like Chumbawamba. Yeah, I don’t remember.

00:54:27.630 –> 00:54:30.510
I’m thinking of Bless the Child. that’s stigmata

00:54:30.510 –> 00:54:33.909
is like this uh woman who starts getting stigmata

00:54:33.909 –> 00:54:36.090
which is like the blood on the wrists right but

00:54:36.090 –> 00:54:37.909
she’s like having visions i honestly it’s been

00:54:37.909 –> 00:54:41.190
so long but it starts with a hazard okay for

00:54:41.190 –> 00:54:42.869
some reason i’m getting those two it kind of

00:54:42.869 –> 00:54:45.130
came out the same time as stir of echoes okay

00:54:45.130 –> 00:54:50.230
okay late 90 early 2000 um okay so we have gothic

00:54:50.230 –> 00:54:53.929
horror right often comes out of the 18th 19th

00:54:53.929 –> 00:54:57.329
century literature may have elements of romance,

00:54:57.329 –> 00:54:59.829
a Victorian setting, use of fog, the others,

00:54:59.889 –> 00:55:02.650
Nosferatu, woman in black kind of things, movies

00:55:02.650 –> 00:55:04.329
like that. Yeah. Would you put some Guillermo

00:55:04.329 –> 00:55:06.849
del Toro into that? Like, cause you know, I often

00:55:06.849 –> 00:55:09.849
think of, um, Gothic romance, which is at a horror

00:55:09.849 –> 00:55:11.909
genre. And if so, does it fit into this genre?

00:55:12.050 –> 00:55:15.230
I think it would. Yeah. Uh, Crimson peak. I’m

00:55:15.230 –> 00:55:18.309
assuming. Exactly. I mean, a lot of his stuff

00:55:18.309 –> 00:55:21.239
really fall. I mean, Frankenstein. Yeah, his

00:55:21.239 –> 00:55:23.340
take on Frankenstein, I would guess. Yeah, he’s

00:55:23.340 –> 00:55:26.219
definitely got that romance. Because that’s what

00:55:26.219 –> 00:55:32.300
Mary Shelley was like. Yeah. Next is self -explanatory,

00:55:32.380 –> 00:55:35.059
and it’s one of my favorite sub -genres. And

00:55:35.059 –> 00:55:37.039
it’s not specifically horror, but in this case

00:55:37.039 –> 00:55:40.579
it is. And that is Siege. So you have Night of

00:55:40.579 –> 00:55:42.699
the Living Dead, The Mist, Prince of Darkness.

00:55:42.960 –> 00:55:46.340
A movie called Siege, which is fucking brilliant.

00:55:46.599 –> 00:55:49.599
Wait, isn’t that the one with Jean -Claude Van

00:55:49.599 –> 00:55:52.230
Damme? Oh, that’s Under Siege. No, no. Under

00:55:52.230 –> 00:55:56.010
Siege is… What’s his fuck? I can’t even think.

00:55:56.110 –> 00:55:59.690
Steven Seagal. Oh. No, Siege is a Canadian early

00:55:59.690 –> 00:56:05.269
80s siege movie where the police are on strike

00:56:05.269 –> 00:56:09.630
and these dudes go in, these like fascist types

00:56:09.630 –> 00:56:12.590
go into a gay bar and they end up killing someone

00:56:12.590 –> 00:56:14.949
so they have to kill everyone and someone escapes

00:56:14.949 –> 00:56:20.280
and gets into a… neighborhood apartment building

00:56:20.280 –> 00:56:24.179
he’s let in and these fascist Nazis are all on

00:56:24.179 –> 00:56:26.579
attack. So it’s basically like Green Room. Yeah,

00:56:26.619 –> 00:56:29.760
sort of before. But it has a really solid ending.

00:56:30.219 –> 00:56:32.340
Would you put Attack the Block in this category?

00:56:32.699 –> 00:56:34.360
I mean, it’s also obviously kind of sci -fi.

00:56:34.420 –> 00:56:36.780
Aliens. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I mean, that makes

00:56:36.780 –> 00:56:38.559
sense. I mean, you could say Tremors is one.

00:56:39.360 –> 00:56:42.320
Right. But I mean, like what I, yeah, what I

00:56:42.320 –> 00:56:45.059
like about these in home invasion movies is it’s

00:56:45.059 –> 00:56:48.630
like the suspense is relentless. And again, it’s

00:56:48.630 –> 00:56:50.570
a perfect blend of horror and thriller, so the

00:56:50.570 –> 00:56:52.469
stakes are through the roof. And you’re kind

00:56:52.469 –> 00:56:55.389
of at the edge of your seat, right? Pressure’s

00:56:55.389 –> 00:56:58.889
on. The next is very similar. Home Invasion,

00:56:59.030 –> 00:57:02.090
self -explanatory. Wait Until Dark’s kind of

00:57:02.090 –> 00:57:06.090
a classic. The Strangers, Funny Games, The Collector.

00:57:07.570 –> 00:57:10.570
And Don’t Breathe, which they made a sequel to

00:57:10.570 –> 00:57:14.170
more recently. And Don’t Breathe is basically

00:57:14.170 –> 00:57:17.780
like the inverse of… wait until dark but it’s

00:57:17.780 –> 00:57:20.980
blended with last house on the left well i got

00:57:20.980 –> 00:57:23.260
a question for you sure where would you put i

00:57:23.260 –> 00:57:25.900
forget the exact title but i think it’s just

00:57:25.900 –> 00:57:27.639
cloverfield lane right where would you put that

00:57:27.639 –> 00:57:31.360
because that it’s funny because it’s not really

00:57:31.360 –> 00:57:34.079
home invasion i mean but is it siege because

00:57:34.079 –> 00:57:35.780
it’s it’s sort of the opposite right you’re like

00:57:35.780 –> 00:57:37.500
stuck in your house because of what’s outside

00:57:37.500 –> 00:57:40.440
that’s like trapped is trapped but it’s it’s

00:57:40.440 –> 00:57:44.940
um one location movie right for the most part

00:57:45.320 –> 00:57:47.940
Right, but it’s like you’re stuck in the house,

00:57:48.019 –> 00:57:53.480
though. Yeah. You, like, can’t leave. Yeah. Shudder,

00:57:53.519 –> 00:57:56.000
when Shudder came out, I remember they would

00:57:56.000 –> 00:57:58.460
have little subcategories of how they put things

00:57:58.460 –> 00:58:00.679
in. Trapped was one of them, which is kind of

00:58:00.679 –> 00:58:02.239
like that, where you’re stuck with your back

00:58:02.239 –> 00:58:03.900
against a wall and are getting out of this position.

00:58:03.900 –> 00:58:06.019
Was that a subgenre that we should add? Trapped.

00:58:07.280 –> 00:58:12.280
Yeah, I mean, we could. Cube is one of those,

00:58:12.360 –> 00:58:16.190
you know. Um, or the, what’s that one, the tower

00:58:16.190 –> 00:58:19.809
or the, where there’s all these people on top

00:58:19.809 –> 00:58:22.349
of each other and like the food comes down and

00:58:22.349 –> 00:58:24.809
the platform, the platform. Yeah. We’re, we’re

00:58:24.809 –> 00:58:30.929
trapped in prison movies. Um, okay. So here’s

00:58:30.929 –> 00:58:34.610
another one. Uh, it’s, I feel like they should

00:58:34.610 –> 00:58:37.550
make more movies like this cause it’s just rich

00:58:37.550 –> 00:58:41.050
for that, but it’s horror noir or what I want

00:58:41.050 –> 00:58:45.409
to patent as noir. It’s a little hard to say.

00:58:45.530 –> 00:58:48.829
Yeah, it’s a little hard, which is like a cross

00:58:48.829 –> 00:58:51.809
of horror and film noir. Angel Heart is probably

00:58:51.809 –> 00:58:55.130
the most well -known, but Seconds is, I think,

00:58:55.130 –> 00:58:57.010
from the 60s. That’s on my list to see, which

00:58:57.010 –> 00:58:59.769
I have not seen, which is David Duvall told me

00:58:59.769 –> 00:59:02.670
about that a while ago as a film horror noir.

00:59:03.190 –> 00:59:07.030
The Believers is also, I would say, fits that

00:59:07.030 –> 00:59:09.389
in The Ninth Gate. The Ninth Gate, really? I

00:59:09.389 –> 00:59:12.190
love that film, but I would put that more as

00:59:12.190 –> 00:59:15.320
like… like an occult movie but it’s like kind

00:59:15.320 –> 00:59:17.800
of a it’s a horror movie it’s a cult but he’s

00:59:17.800 –> 00:59:21.239
like it’s got the mystery and the i mean i guess

00:59:21.239 –> 00:59:23.960
he’s kind of investigating so that makes sense

00:59:23.960 –> 00:59:26.960
right and because it’s not like a hard thing

00:59:26.960 –> 00:59:29.719
where it has a checklist of everything in a noir

00:59:29.719 –> 00:59:35.119
you know right right but it it blends the elements

00:59:35.119 –> 00:59:39.280
i would say yes uh next up is liminal horror

00:59:39.929 –> 00:59:42.750
Um, empty abandoned spaces that evoke dread,

00:59:42.989 –> 00:59:45.110
you know, think mazes, stairwells, transitional

00:59:45.110 –> 00:59:49.369
areas, uh, kind of exploits agoraphobia, uh,

00:59:49.550 –> 00:59:52.010
when you think about it. So you have like the

00:59:52.010 –> 00:59:55.309
shining with its mazes and like hallways, uh,

00:59:55.429 –> 00:59:58.269
it follows with this kind of like dystopian,

00:59:58.269 –> 01:00:02.269
almost like suburbia, uh, Skinnamarink is a more

01:00:02.269 –> 01:00:04.570
recent one. And, you know, the back rooms are

01:00:04.570 –> 01:00:08.809
coming out that kind of focuses on that. Um,

01:00:09.500 –> 01:00:14.079
The next is Cosmic Horror. Cosmic Horror, all

01:00:14.079 –> 01:00:16.480
right. Which, you know, is Lovecraftian existential

01:00:16.480 –> 01:00:22.880
dread, threats beyond human understanding. Again,

01:00:23.079 –> 01:00:25.860
you have The Thing, Event Horizon, From Beyond.

01:00:26.159 –> 01:00:28.179
Well, like, why aren’t these sci -fi horror?

01:00:29.059 –> 01:00:30.840
Like, is there a difference between the two?

01:00:31.239 –> 01:00:37.599
Because I think Cosmic is also… The Cosmos.

01:00:39.039 –> 01:00:42.079
I mean, I think it is a branch of sci -fi horror,

01:00:42.280 –> 01:00:45.440
but it’s also kind of like it’s in its own lane.

01:00:46.199 –> 01:00:50.460
You know what I mean? Would you put Archive 91?

01:00:50.679 –> 01:00:53.639
Yeah, I think that would fit there. I really

01:00:53.639 –> 01:00:55.219
like that series. Yeah, it was cool. And then

01:00:55.219 –> 01:00:57.519
it only had one. Yeah, they canceled it. Fucking

01:00:57.519 –> 01:00:59.920
Netflix. Which is always annoying because you’re

01:00:59.920 –> 01:01:01.360
like, well, I wanted to see where the hell this

01:01:01.360 –> 01:01:05.599
was going. Exactly. You get robbed of that. Next

01:01:05.599 –> 01:01:10.750
is a very… Minor subgenre that I have an affinity

01:01:10.750 –> 01:01:13.969
for, and that’s Nazi occult, which involves Nazis

01:01:13.969 –> 01:01:16.550
and their interest in the occult. The Keep was

01:01:16.550 –> 01:01:20.610
a Michael Mann one that he disowned, basically,

01:01:20.710 –> 01:01:22.849
or I think there’s a lot of studio interference

01:01:22.849 –> 01:01:28.329
that kind of messed that up. Still pretty interesting.

01:01:29.130 –> 01:01:32.489
Blood Creek, the Joel Schumacher movie, Dead

01:01:32.489 –> 01:01:36.159
Snow, Shockwaves. Even Raiders of the Lost Ark

01:01:36.159 –> 01:01:38.539
has kind of some elements of that. I was going

01:01:38.539 –> 01:01:39.940
to make a joke about that, but you already got

01:01:39.940 –> 01:01:42.519
it in here. What was the joke? Raiders of the

01:01:42.519 –> 01:01:45.179
Lost Ark. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, I mean, it does.

01:01:45.340 –> 01:01:47.619
I wouldn’t say it’s one of these movies. Well,

01:01:47.699 –> 01:01:49.619
it’s not a horror, really, but it has that. The

01:01:49.619 –> 01:01:51.400
ending kind of. Yeah, yeah, I guess that’s true.

01:01:51.460 –> 01:01:54.800
Brings that in. Then we have holiday horror,

01:01:54.960 –> 01:01:57.820
which is self -explanatory. Black Christmas,

01:01:58.039 –> 01:02:01.739
Halloween, My Bloody Valentine. Enough of these

01:02:01.739 –> 01:02:06.329
that there’s. or funny enough, I guess that these,

01:02:06.409 –> 01:02:09.090
they came out before Black Christmas, which I

01:02:09.090 –> 01:02:11.010
always thought was kind of the first one. There’s

01:02:11.010 –> 01:02:13.949
a 1922 silent film called The Headless Horseman

01:02:13.949 –> 01:02:17.670
that’s based on Halloween. Haxan from 1922 also

01:02:17.670 –> 01:02:21.150
is May Day. The Phantom Carriage from 1921 is

01:02:21.150 –> 01:02:25.190
New Year’s. So it’s not a new concept, but after

01:02:25.190 –> 01:02:27.949
Halloween, you had a, you know, a success. You

01:02:27.949 –> 01:02:30.369
had a boom. Well, we’re all like, you know, the

01:02:30.369 –> 01:02:35.320
holidays are such a, prime time for, you know,

01:02:35.320 –> 01:02:38.260
arguments with your family and like, you know,

01:02:38.260 –> 01:02:39.800
there’s something about like they’re supposedly

01:02:39.800 –> 01:02:42.539
so happy. So obviously the contrast with making

01:02:42.539 –> 01:02:45.219
a horror is like right there. Right. And I mean,

01:02:45.239 –> 01:02:47.739
I have not seen these older ones, so they could

01:02:47.739 –> 01:02:50.380
just take place on the day as opposed to being

01:02:50.380 –> 01:02:54.639
like a big plot point. Next, we got horror satire.

01:02:55.059 –> 01:02:58.800
So you have Dawn of the Dead, Scream, Get Out,

01:02:58.920 –> 01:03:03.360
American Psycho, the stuff. I think satire is

01:03:03.360 –> 01:03:06.300
hard to write, but I think it’s great when it’s

01:03:06.300 –> 01:03:10.880
done. Yep. You know, um, so the friend of mine

01:03:10.880 –> 01:03:13.380
has, uh, a short that he’s going to be doing

01:03:13.380 –> 01:03:17.340
here. That’s a, a satire on, it’s a horror, but

01:03:17.340 –> 01:03:19.920
set in the, in the space of like a city government,

01:03:20.079 –> 01:03:23.199
like working in the city government. And it’s,

01:03:23.199 –> 01:03:24.800
I read the script. It’s pretty good. There’s,

01:03:24.800 –> 01:03:27.059
I feel like there is a lot of them that are about

01:03:27.059 –> 01:03:30.139
kind of like, you know, office life that fall

01:03:30.139 –> 01:03:32.699
into this. Makes sense. It is also kind of a

01:03:32.699 –> 01:03:34.940
comedic in a lot of ways. Right. I mean, how

01:03:34.940 –> 01:03:37.679
can they not have some sort of comedy to them?

01:03:38.820 –> 01:03:42.780
Horror Western, which is self -explanatory. I

01:03:42.780 –> 01:03:44.059
feel like there needs to be more of these, too.

01:03:44.679 –> 01:03:49.039
There is them, but they’re not usually great.

01:03:49.320 –> 01:03:52.659
But yeah, I love horror Westerns. I like all

01:03:52.659 –> 01:03:55.119
historical horror, really. Yeah, it’s fascinating.

01:03:55.460 –> 01:03:58.280
I mean, when they’re done right. So you have

01:03:58.280 –> 01:04:02.920
Cutthroats 9, which… is a big influence on

01:04:02.920 –> 01:04:07.079
Tarantino’s, uh, hateful eight. You have ravenous,

01:04:07.159 –> 01:04:10.159
which was just fantastic. Uh, bone Tomahawks,

01:04:10.159 –> 01:04:12.340
more recent one that, that got a lot of attention.

01:04:13.239 –> 01:04:18.320
Um, then there’s experimental horror, which is

01:04:18.320 –> 01:04:21.840
you be gotten a racer gotten so cool. Yeah. The

01:04:21.840 –> 01:04:26.460
way that shot is wild. Yeah. Um, Tetsu, the Iron

01:04:26.460 –> 01:04:28.619
Man, which is also kind of crazy. I don’t know.

01:04:28.639 –> 01:04:30.380
Have you seen that one? I haven’t. It’s not,

01:04:30.860 –> 01:04:32.340
it’s not like an hour and a half i don’t know

01:04:32.340 –> 01:04:34.920
if it’s like an hour 15 or 45 minutes it’s really

01:04:34.920 –> 01:04:38.780
cool it’s just chaotic um and then possum is

01:04:38.780 –> 01:04:41.460
a more recent one it’s like all those were in

01:04:41.460 –> 01:04:43.679
black and white possum is not but that’s a cool

01:04:43.679 –> 01:04:46.639
a cool horror movie i’d love to do an experimental

01:04:46.639 –> 01:04:50.739
horror sometime i mean i don’t know how big the

01:04:50.739 –> 01:04:52.599
audience is for them most of the time but uh

01:04:52.599 –> 01:04:55.340
but like they’re it’s just like it would be really

01:04:55.340 –> 01:05:00.079
fun just to get weird yeah i mean i a lot of

01:05:00.079 –> 01:05:02.559
horror movies I think are actually experimental

01:05:02.559 –> 01:05:06.000
the first time around, you know, the first time

01:05:06.000 –> 01:05:07.539
you see something, because if you haven’t seen

01:05:07.539 –> 01:05:10.500
that before. Yeah. I, but you know, usually I

01:05:10.500 –> 01:05:13.579
think experimental denotes a bit of a, just going

01:05:13.579 –> 01:05:16.579
on, just, yeah. Not linear storytelling and like,

01:05:16.579 –> 01:05:19.599
and just like a different approach or something.

01:05:19.619 –> 01:05:21.340
Yeah. Like, I mean, honestly, I don’t know if

01:05:21.340 –> 01:05:23.199
you’ve ever been to slam dance and for the people

01:05:23.199 –> 01:05:24.920
who have, you know, they have like a experimental

01:05:24.920 –> 01:05:28.860
horror category for shorts and stuff. And I’ve,

01:05:29.289 –> 01:05:31.150
gone to them several times and there’s some crazy

01:05:31.150 –> 01:05:33.769
stuff you know yeah i i mean i appreciate the

01:05:33.769 –> 01:05:35.929
imagination that goes into that stuff like it’s

01:05:35.929 –> 01:05:37.349
like if you’re not leaving going like what the

01:05:37.349 –> 01:05:40.710
fuck did i just see like right now experimental

01:05:40.710 –> 01:05:43.530
films like to me like not even horror when i

01:05:43.530 –> 01:05:45.510
when i think of those i was like oh god i’m gonna

01:05:45.510 –> 01:05:47.409
hate this but then there there’s some that i

01:05:47.409 –> 01:05:49.650
really absolutely love they really end up kind

01:05:49.650 –> 01:05:53.230
of being more like art pieces yeah they’re they’re

01:05:53.230 –> 01:05:57.590
cool and i i’m glad they exist Uh, next is queer

01:05:57.590 –> 01:06:01.349
horror, which obviously has gay themes, uh, focus

01:06:01.349 –> 01:06:05.769
on the otherness or queer coding. Um, I think

01:06:05.769 –> 01:06:08.289
that’s key for this genre is, is like, I think

01:06:08.289 –> 01:06:11.690
the queer has to be central to the story in some

01:06:11.690 –> 01:06:14.670
way. Cause you can have gay characters and it’s

01:06:14.670 –> 01:06:17.110
not a queer horror piece, you know? True. I mean,

01:06:17.130 –> 01:06:21.429
like, so one that I believe is, but it’s not

01:06:21.429 –> 01:06:24.010
necessarily perceived that way is lost boys.

01:06:25.579 –> 01:06:27.400
It’s because the Corey’s had crushes on each

01:06:27.400 –> 01:06:30.119
other, right? Well, Joe shoe, Joel Schumacher

01:06:30.119 –> 01:06:35.280
was gay. And so you, Corey Haim has a Rob Lowe

01:06:35.280 –> 01:06:39.199
poster in his laptop list. You have Timmy Capella

01:06:39.199 –> 01:06:41.860
all greased up playing the saxophone, right?

01:06:41.960 –> 01:06:44.360
The back and forth between, it’s like, it’s definitely

01:06:44.360 –> 01:06:47.500
got a Michael, some, some queer coding in there

01:06:47.500 –> 01:06:49.199
or something. Yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s

01:06:49.199 –> 01:06:51.659
got, it’s funny. Like one of the things I was

01:06:51.659 –> 01:06:53.420
going to say about lost boys as a kid, like it’s,

01:06:53.420 –> 01:06:56.230
that’s one of my favorite movies. And he’s sitting

01:06:56.230 –> 01:06:58.289
underneath a giant Lost Boys picture right now.

01:06:58.349 –> 01:07:01.269
Yeah. I mean, that really fucking hit the spot

01:07:01.269 –> 01:07:04.969
for me. And it’s it made me want to pierce my

01:07:04.969 –> 01:07:07.329
ear. You know, all the kids, all the characters,

01:07:07.409 –> 01:07:08.849
the vampire, like everyone’s got. Yeah. Even

01:07:08.849 –> 01:07:11.010
that’s a saxophone player guy. He’s like, I mean,

01:07:11.030 –> 01:07:13.710
he’s he’s probably the gayest character I’ve

01:07:13.710 –> 01:07:16.050
seen in a horror movie. Yeah. I mean, he’s not

01:07:16.050 –> 01:07:19.289
a gay. He was Tina Turner’s sax player. I’m just

01:07:19.289 –> 01:07:21.110
joking. But, you know, that 80s style. Yeah.

01:07:21.110 –> 01:07:24.900
It really goes for it. But no, so I wanted to

01:07:24.900 –> 01:07:27.400
pierce my ear and I did when I was like 12, whatever.

01:07:27.719 –> 01:07:31.039
But the funny thing that I don’t hear talk about

01:07:31.039 –> 01:07:35.300
anymore is back then, if you pierced your ear,

01:07:35.559 –> 01:07:38.500
right, if you pierced your right ear, it was

01:07:38.500 –> 01:07:42.920
a, it was like a gay thing. Is that like an old

01:07:42.920 –> 01:07:45.059
wives tale though? I don’t know. Yeah. But it

01:07:45.059 –> 01:07:47.980
was, it was a thing. So like, I remember. hearing

01:07:47.980 –> 01:07:49.860
that when i was a kid too yeah so i we’re the

01:07:49.860 –> 01:07:52.900
same age so i pierced my left ear but then as

01:07:52.900 –> 01:07:54.639
i got more into punk and hardcore then i pierced

01:07:54.639 –> 01:07:56.780
both my ears you know it’s like i think people

01:07:56.780 –> 01:07:59.739
stop caring about that at some point right i

01:07:59.739 –> 01:08:01.579
mean i haven’t heard of that in right right right

01:08:01.579 –> 01:08:04.980
but it was it was a thing where like my friend

01:08:04.980 –> 01:08:06.599
brendan was actually really cool because he’s

01:08:06.599 –> 01:08:08.239
like oh people think you’re gonna pierce my right

01:08:08.239 –> 01:08:13.210
ear yeah i mean i i have like uh a left ear piercing

01:08:13.210 –> 01:08:15.769
as well you know yeah i think you still have

01:08:15.769 –> 01:08:17.630
them they don’t go away yeah i mean i had plugs

01:08:17.630 –> 01:08:19.270
so i got i think i got holes in both my ears

01:08:19.270 –> 01:08:21.430
but i got a couple more in my left ear oh shit

01:08:21.430 –> 01:08:23.369
you got i had like three in my left ear at one

01:08:23.369 –> 01:08:24.829
point and then and then we were at some show

01:08:24.829 –> 01:08:28.149
together at the not a capital ballroom or something

01:08:28.149 –> 01:08:29.789
and somebody kicked me in the ear and it like

01:08:29.789 –> 01:08:32.829
fell out it’s always a bummer because those weren’t

01:08:32.829 –> 01:08:35.109
like super cheap i had plugs as well at some

01:08:35.109 –> 01:08:38.229
point yeah well i i got mine at claire’s so it

01:08:38.229 –> 01:08:42.189
was cheap oh okay Um, well, some other queer

01:08:42.189 –> 01:08:45.750
movies, uh, Nightmare on Elm Street 2 has a lot

01:08:45.750 –> 01:08:49.090
of, that’s, that’s the big one, right? Um, I

01:08:49.090 –> 01:08:51.229
mean, I think even Hellraiser, cause that, you

01:08:51.229 –> 01:08:54.890
know, Clive Barker is gay and, you know, with

01:08:54.890 –> 01:08:57.710
Lost Boys and Hellraiser, gay directors, gay

01:08:57.710 –> 01:09:01.409
visionaries, um, you, you, it’s interesting cause

01:09:01.409 –> 01:09:03.170
you have the punk fashion, which comes from queer

01:09:03.170 –> 01:09:06.909
culture, leather, studs, S &M, and then you have

01:09:06.909 –> 01:09:09.069
the forbidden desires and all those kinds of

01:09:09.069 –> 01:09:14.060
things emerge. in those those movies um swallowed

01:09:14.060 –> 01:09:17.619
is a more recent queer horror movie that’s that

01:09:17.619 –> 01:09:21.659
leans way more into it and it it stars i am blanking

01:09:21.659 –> 01:09:24.100
on the actor’s name who plays jesse in nightmare

01:09:24.100 –> 01:09:27.140
on the street too he’s he’s in that as well um

01:09:27.140 –> 01:09:30.800
and i yeah may is another one uh jennifer body

01:09:30.800 –> 01:09:33.819
jennifer’s body is also considered a queer horror

01:09:33.819 –> 01:09:39.500
movie uh next we have horror anthologies as most

01:09:39.500 –> 01:09:42.520
anthologies tend to be horror so you got dead

01:09:42.520 –> 01:09:45.979
of night creep show vhs uh there’s a late 80s

01:09:45.979 –> 01:09:48.699
one or early night late 80s one i like this is

01:09:48.699 –> 01:09:51.439
i talked about that director earlier well she

01:09:51.439 –> 01:09:55.439
will yes so one of her stories was on vhs5 because

01:09:55.439 –> 01:09:57.399
it’s a compilation of right different directors

01:09:58.140 –> 01:10:01.000
And then After Midnight’s one that I really like.

01:10:01.039 –> 01:10:02.899
I thought that had a cool wraparound. This is

01:10:02.899 –> 01:10:04.439
kind of pertinent to our discussions, because

01:10:04.439 –> 01:10:07.039
Last Call, the film that Peter and I have done,

01:10:07.079 –> 01:10:09.340
is supposed to be the first story in an anthology

01:10:09.340 –> 01:10:11.439
series, at least how it was originally conceived.

01:10:11.680 –> 01:10:15.800
And we were going back and forth on the effectiveness

01:10:15.800 –> 01:10:18.399
of anthologies and if people like them. And so

01:10:18.399 –> 01:10:21.680
if you want to stop by our Instagram and comment

01:10:21.680 –> 01:10:23.699
and let us know what you guys think, it would

01:10:23.699 –> 01:10:26.899
be curious to hear. Because I mean, like, yeah,

01:10:27.119 –> 01:10:31.380
it’s it’s anthologies or I feel like they’re

01:10:31.380 –> 01:10:34.319
exploited. A lot of times they’ll be made and

01:10:34.319 –> 01:10:36.279
it’ll just be like slapping five random short

01:10:36.279 –> 01:10:39.399
films together to make a feature. And I don’t

01:10:39.399 –> 01:10:41.739
think that’s like doing an anthology justice

01:10:41.739 –> 01:10:45.439
as opposed to making it all kind of tight knit.

01:10:45.479 –> 01:10:48.720
But I like anthologies as series. I don’t like

01:10:48.720 –> 01:10:51.380
them as presented as a film. Generally, that’s

01:10:51.380 –> 01:10:53.989
my take on it, just because. When I go to a film,

01:10:54.010 –> 01:10:57.329
I want to see a story with depth, but a TV show

01:10:57.329 –> 01:10:59.949
I’m checking in oftentimes for one episode, which

01:10:59.949 –> 01:11:04.029
can be a story and it’s satisfying. I’ve always

01:11:04.029 –> 01:11:06.569
loved anthology. I like short stories. I think

01:11:06.569 –> 01:11:11.470
that’s why I like them. Usually, seldom is there

01:11:11.470 –> 01:11:13.989
an anthology where all the stories are just knockouts.

01:11:13.989 –> 01:11:17.680
I will say that. Sometimes you get something

01:11:17.680 –> 01:11:19.920
like Creepshow 2 or you have The Raft and you’re

01:11:19.920 –> 01:11:21.300
just like, that’s the scariest fucking thing

01:11:21.300 –> 01:11:26.560
I’ve ever seen. Okay, next one is horror found

01:11:26.560 –> 01:11:29.939
footage. And it’s not surprising that so many

01:11:29.939 –> 01:11:33.000
found footage movies are horror because it really

01:11:33.000 –> 01:11:37.060
lends itself to the genre, right? Looks like,

01:11:37.140 –> 01:11:41.859
you know, you have a camera and it looks like

01:11:41.859 –> 01:11:45.529
you’re watching it. So it’s so realistic. Right,

01:11:45.569 –> 01:11:49.289
you’re trying to tap into that authenticity,

01:11:50.010 –> 01:11:53.529
yeah, first -person kind of experience. And they’re

01:11:53.529 –> 01:11:57.829
also, I think, pretty common because the barrier

01:11:57.829 –> 01:11:59.810
to entry and the cost of production can be lower.

01:12:00.210 –> 01:12:01.750
Like if you look at Blair Witch Project, for

01:12:01.750 –> 01:12:02.970
instance. Yeah, I mean, I don’t even know what

01:12:02.970 –> 01:12:06.649
Blair Witch was made for. I think I have in my

01:12:06.649 –> 01:12:11.050
head, as a memory, 40K. Really? I could be wrong

01:12:11.050 –> 01:12:15.760
on that. That seems a lot. But I think it was

01:12:15.760 –> 01:12:18.779
shot on film. Oh, okay. Maybe I’m not, maybe

01:12:18.779 –> 01:12:21.000
I’m wrong. Maybe it was video. Three actors and

01:12:21.000 –> 01:12:24.739
they were probably improvising. Well, you got

01:12:24.739 –> 01:12:26.479
to keep in mind a lot of money goes in post -production.

01:12:26.960 –> 01:12:30.939
Right. Yeah. Or maybe, um, like if they’re paying

01:12:30.939 –> 01:12:33.300
an editor, they’re paying the like color and

01:12:33.300 –> 01:12:36.479
the sound design. I mean, right. Okay. Other

01:12:36.479 –> 01:12:39.460
found footage, horror movies, you have affliction,

01:12:39.460 –> 01:12:42.760
uh, and taking of Deborah Logan, which I think

01:12:42.760 –> 01:12:45.640
is, is really creepy. That’s a good one. So then

01:12:45.640 –> 01:12:47.699
I would say there’s some honorable mentions that

01:12:47.699 –> 01:12:50.659
are not strictly horror, but related. So you

01:12:50.659 –> 01:12:53.560
have, like, Ozploitation movies, which are, you

01:12:53.560 –> 01:12:57.420
know, Australian movies. Which, uh, was it…

01:12:57.420 –> 01:13:00.819
What was the… Was Saw Australian originally?

01:13:01.399 –> 01:13:04.819
Or… I don’t know. I’m thinking of Wolf Creek.

01:13:05.039 –> 01:13:08.840
No, no, but I feel like… the guys from saw

01:13:08.840 –> 01:13:11.939
it’s james wan and i cannot think of the other

01:13:11.939 –> 01:13:15.199
guy who’s involved in that lee 1l i feel like

01:13:15.199 –> 01:13:17.920
he’s australian though i could be wrong we could

01:13:17.920 –> 01:13:19.300
look this up yeah i was definitely thinking of

01:13:19.300 –> 01:13:22.279
wolf creek okay which is on kind of a torture

01:13:22.279 –> 01:13:25.100
porn film as well yeah no that is and they made

01:13:25.100 –> 01:13:28.399
a sequel and a series to wolf creek uh but you

01:13:28.399 –> 01:13:32.039
so yeah that i guess would count uh i mean mad

01:13:32.039 –> 01:13:35.079
max is technically australian exploitation yeah

01:13:35.079 –> 01:13:37.300
but it’s not horror right right well that’s what

01:13:37.300 –> 01:13:39.140
i’m calling it like honorable mention yeah it’s

01:13:39.140 –> 01:13:41.439
not exactly in the wake and fright razorback

01:13:41.439 –> 01:13:45.399
fortress is the shit and picnic hanging rock

01:13:45.399 –> 01:13:48.920
you might throw in there yeah they’ve it’s not

01:13:48.920 –> 01:13:52.600
really it is exploitation but it’s it is like

01:13:52.600 –> 01:13:55.239
kind of got a supernatural vibe to it yeah like

01:13:55.239 –> 01:13:56.659
it doesn’t have to be set in australia it could

01:13:56.659 –> 01:13:59.319
be anywhere but right it happens to be australia

01:13:59.800 –> 01:14:02.880
Um, you have black exploitation, uh, which is

01:14:02.880 –> 01:14:05.319
like other black, uh, exploitation films, not

01:14:05.319 –> 01:14:08.619
specifically horror, but you know, obviously

01:14:08.619 –> 01:14:12.800
you’re, there are, there are crossovers. Yeah.

01:14:12.920 –> 01:14:15.560
And so you have like Blackula and Sugar Hill,

01:14:15.720 –> 01:14:20.720
Tales from the Hood, Abby. Um, and the, the horror

01:14:20.720 –> 01:14:23.180
and the war documentary is really good. That

01:14:23.180 –> 01:14:24.979
gets into some of that stuff. I wanted to check

01:14:24.979 –> 01:14:27.359
that out. That’s worth watching. Yeah. It’s,

01:14:27.359 –> 01:14:30.930
it’s good. It’s solid. Then you have war horror.

01:14:31.630 –> 01:14:34.729
And I mean, war is probably the most horrific

01:14:34.729 –> 01:14:37.550
thing there is. So, of course, there’s horror

01:14:37.550 –> 01:14:40.789
movies that use war as a setting. The Keep is

01:14:40.789 –> 01:14:43.310
one of them, as mentioned. Overlord, Death Watch.

01:14:44.210 –> 01:14:46.789
Come and See isn’t considered a horror movie

01:14:46.789 –> 01:14:49.069
in all the ways these others are, but it’s probably

01:14:49.069 –> 01:14:51.369
one of the most horrific depictions of war ever

01:14:51.369 –> 01:14:54.289
made. And it’s masterful and it’s unflinching.

01:14:54.350 –> 01:14:57.069
Highly recommend it, but it is a brutal ass movie.

01:14:57.789 –> 01:15:03.630
Then you have backwoods horror, right? Shit that

01:15:03.630 –> 01:15:09.069
you think of like Wrong Turn. I guess Pumpkinhead

01:15:09.069 –> 01:15:13.369
would count. Texas Chainsaw Massacre. A couple

01:15:13.369 –> 01:15:17.890
other genres. J -horror, K -horror, Japanese

01:15:17.890 –> 01:15:21.789
horror, Korean horror films. There’s horror movies

01:15:21.789 –> 01:15:25.229
about black magic and voodoo and hoodoo. like

01:15:25.229 –> 01:15:27.590
it could we could probably go on for another

01:15:27.590 –> 01:15:30.489
hour with for sure with these i just wanted to

01:15:30.489 –> 01:15:33.489
hit on a bunch of them and actually one of my

01:15:33.489 –> 01:15:38.050
favorite genres is what i would say horror adjacent

01:15:38.050 –> 01:15:41.609
movies so they’re like movies with the teeth

01:15:41.609 –> 01:15:44.189
of a horror movie that feel like one without

01:15:44.189 –> 01:15:47.250
being one so the movie the vanishing doesn’t

01:15:47.250 –> 01:15:49.449
strike me as a horror movie but it feels like

01:15:49.449 –> 01:15:53.569
one uh straw dogs siege movie that’s just brutal

01:15:53.569 –> 01:15:57.069
and panic inducing southern comfort is one um

01:15:57.069 –> 01:16:01.590
deliverance the sixth sense off often gets considered

01:16:01.590 –> 01:16:03.949
i always think of that as a horror movie though

01:16:03.949 –> 01:16:07.090
it’s not why isn’t it there’s ghosts it’s in

01:16:07.090 –> 01:16:09.750
the ghost category yeah but it it’s considered

01:16:09.750 –> 01:16:13.229
more of like a thriller i mean i don’t know that’s

01:16:13.229 –> 01:16:16.329
just how the the pop culture ones to just like

01:16:16.329 –> 01:16:19.010
the martians of comedy yeah i mean it’s it’s

01:16:19.010 –> 01:16:20.989
that uh one more i would just want to shout out

01:16:20.989 –> 01:16:23.529
if you’ve made it this far is brimstone which

01:16:23.529 –> 01:16:27.130
is it’s not a horror movie but it’s a horror

01:16:27.130 –> 01:16:29.729
movie it’s a horror western type it’s relentless

01:16:29.729 –> 01:16:33.909
thriller with uh guy pierce uh really well shot

01:16:33.909 –> 01:16:37.529
it’s devastating as fuck but it’s uh yeah it

01:16:37.529 –> 01:16:41.390
was riveting oh cool there’s a lot of great information

01:16:41.390 –> 01:16:43.329
there thanks for compiling all that and like

01:16:43.689 –> 01:16:47.130
walking me through it i i actually you know i’m

01:16:47.130 –> 01:16:48.970
learning a lot when you do these kind of things

01:16:48.970 –> 01:16:51.949
so i appreciate it well this is a lot of uh front

01:16:51.949 –> 01:16:55.170
-loaded information on genre stuff well there’s

01:16:55.170 –> 01:16:56.930
probably someone out there in university who

01:16:56.930 –> 01:16:59.390
has to do their like term paper on something

01:16:59.390 –> 01:17:01.189
to do with horror and this just came in handy

01:17:01.189 –> 01:17:05.909
so yeah we just it felt like perfect pivot after

01:17:05.909 –> 01:17:08.869
kind of defining uh what horror is the david

01:17:08.869 –> 01:17:11.310
to kind of get into the the weeds a little bit

01:17:11.310 –> 01:17:13.729
with all these because it really shows you like

01:17:13.729 –> 01:17:17.550
how how deep it goes so yeah and what he’s referring

01:17:17.550 –> 01:17:21.050
to is our last episode we interviewed david deval

01:17:21.050 –> 01:17:24.750
who’s a horror historian particularly really

01:17:24.750 –> 01:17:27.510
interested in i mean a film historian who’s particularly

01:17:27.510 –> 01:17:29.090
interested in horror and it’s a really great

01:17:29.090 –> 01:17:30.869
conversation so go check that out if you haven’t

01:17:30.869 –> 01:17:35.670
yet and that brings us to the end but first is

01:17:35.670 –> 01:17:36.949
there anything you’re looking forward to doing

01:17:36.949 –> 01:17:41.930
this week or seeing or checking out or well redux

01:17:41.930 –> 01:17:44.090
redux is out yeah that’s coming out then i’ll

01:17:44.090 –> 01:17:48.810
want to see that me too um how about you uh yeah

01:17:48.810 –> 01:17:52.750
that’s definitely the top of my list uh you know

01:17:52.750 –> 01:17:57.189
i want to check out the uh chain reactions that

01:17:57.189 –> 01:17:59.590
you’ve mentioned in the past which i i still

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haven’t gotten around to but it’s on the top

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of my list and uh yeah i mean there’s there’s

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actually probably a lot of things i want to check

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out but that’s what comes to mind That’ll bring

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us to the end of today’s episode. Tune in next

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week where we talk with our friend Taffeta Darling

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about horror comic books and how you can get

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into collecting them if you aren’t already. For

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today’s show notes, check out our website at

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nightmarelogicpod .net or follow us on Instagram

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at nightmarelogicpod. We’re your hosts, Christopher

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Smith and Peter Sawyer. And last, we’d like to

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thank our composer, Lars Lang Peterson, for our

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awesome theme. Tune in next week. Until then,

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goodbye.