Scream Queens and Final Girls

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Welcome back to Nightmare Logic. We’re your asses

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grass and we’re the lawnmower. We’re your hosts,

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Christopher Smith. And Peter Sawyer. And Taffeta

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Darling. Today’s episode, in honor of Women’s

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History Month, is dedicated to the Queens of

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Scream. Alright guys, welcome back. What’s going

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on? How you been? Same as usual, I guess. Writing,

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editing, reading. Right. All the things? Yeah.

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all of the things. I don’t know. I had a pretty

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fantastic week. I’ve had a great week. Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, I mentioned earlier, you know,

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I love horror, but I also love, you know, like

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the silly stuff. So I went and saw the Christopher

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Guest movie, A Mighty Win last night with John

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Michael Higgins doing the Q &A. And it was because

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of Women’s Month, they’re doing this really lovely

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tribute, but also to Catherine O ‘Hara, you know,

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who passed, he like, you know, we’re still feeling

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that. So it was just kind of a lot of sweet behind

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the scenes stuff about the movie with her and

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John Michael Higgins. And that was lovely. Um,

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I played little video games as I do got some

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stuff read Uh and kicked ass at work. So yeah,

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you know, it’s a good week. Yeah. Yeah my own

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work My inner work and my personal work, right?

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Right making some career moves. Yes Right on.

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Did you see anything interesting this week besides

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the christopher guest? No, not really, you know,

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everything’s just kind of focused although I

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will say that’s not true the new Superman absolute

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Superman that’s out the Brainiac character because

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in the absolute Superman in the absolute world

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everything’s more horrific and more creepy and

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more kind of scary so the debut of Brainiac is

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fucking terrifying like he is like a Reminds

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me of one of the t2s. It’s just kind of like

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the skeletal of it and kind of metal and he’s

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all just it’s very scary and he’s Essentially

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what he does is he’s just like Collecting mass

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people and so it’s like the blob meets like this

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like scary skeleton man. I don’t know It’s I

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can’t really describe it better than that and

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I’m sorry just go look for brainiac and absolute

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Superman 18 But that was really fucking creepy

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as the debut of that character This is a good

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time to jump on to some of these absolute titles

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because they are bringing in these villains who

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are just very horrific like poison ivy looks

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like a put -together like, you know patchwork

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doll Like, you know, so everything is very exaggerated

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and like the horror sense and the horrific sense

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of her. It’s so that’s great. And Peter, do you

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see much? Yeah, I got two movies I can mention.

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I caught Cold Storage. It’s directed by Johnny

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Campbell. He hasn’t done that many movies. He’s

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done a couple of TV shows, but I know him as

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the director of the Netflix Dracula miniseries

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from a couple of years ago. He did the first

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episode, which actually caught my attention.

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I thought it was the best of the bunch. And he

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did a great job here. What’s interesting is David…

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I’m going to butcher his last name. Co -op? Do

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you guys know that name? Not at all. So he’s

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a pretty prolific screenwriter. He adapted Jurassic

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Park as a screenplay. And in the horror space,

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he wrote, Sturve Echos, Death Becomes Her, I

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Come in Peace, among many, many other random

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blockbusters. But this was based on his book,

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and it has Liam Neeson, Sozi, I think that’s

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how you say your name, Sozi Bacon, Joe Carey

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from Stranger Things, and Georgina Campbell.

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And it’s a fun movie. I really miss these because

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I feel like in horror or whatever you get the

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really dark, intense, moody stuff that’s the

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A24 stuff a lot of the time. Or maybe you get

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something like Terrifier, and this is kind of

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a… in the middle of it. And it’s a sci -fi

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horror situation where the threat is a green

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fungus that came from space after NASA sent something

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up into space when it came back. And it’s just

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deadly and spreads really quickly, gets contained

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and put into a storage unit. I think it’s Oklahoma

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or Kansas or somewhere like that. And then there’s

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a breach and it goes from there. And it reminds

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me of Even though if you watch this, you’re like,

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Peter, what are you talking about? But there’s

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something about it besides a plot that’s kind

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of similar to Return of the Living Dead, which

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I liked or or the blob. And it like had that

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kind of tonality where it’s it’s horror and it

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has a threat level, but it’s kind of amusing.

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But it’s not really funny, but it’s like amusing

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enough. So I was I was pretty happy with that

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because I saw the trailer and was like, ah, but

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then I saw it was like, oh, shit, this is this

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is a lot of fun. Nice. So that was one. I think

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we mentioned that a couple of episodes ago about

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coming out. So I and I wanted to see it. It’s

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it’s like it’s fun. It’s not it’s not like super

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heavy, but it’s got some some wild moments and

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it’s generally entertaining. The other movie

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I saw that I really liked, especially since we’re

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talking about like Scream Queens and in Woman’s

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Month is 28 years later, the Bone Temple, as

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that was directed by Nia da Costa in. She knocked

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it out of the park. I liked the 28 years later

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that came before this, but I did not like the

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last scene of that movie, which I thought was

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going to indicate how this would unfold. But

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the opening scene to this just goes extremely

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hard and really got my attention. And it kind

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of has a lot of those heavier moments, but it’s

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balanced out with all the Ralph Fiennes stuff.

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It’s yeah, it’s solid. It has a fun soundtrack

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built into it and Yeah, I got a catch up on that

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series like, you know, I saw the first two I

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think and then when they came out and then It’s

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been a very long time Yeah, and I was I think

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this was shot like back -to -back with the last

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one. Yeah, but this I thought was an improvement

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I think Alex Garland wrote both of these but

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yeah Alex Garland’s great. Yeah, he’s a solid

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writer. Yeah, but this was solid Highly recommend

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nice. Uh, well For me, I finally watched the

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original hellraiser Which I had never seen I

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was embarrassed I mean there’s actually a number

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of like classics like that that I need to catch

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up on and that’s one and uh, I You know immediately

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texted peter and I was like, yeah I saw it then

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we like hashed it out and uh, it’s interesting

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I probably have a different take on it than the

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people who you know came to it back in the 80s

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or 90s just because Films change so much, you

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know, and yeah But I did enjoy it quite a bit

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and like there’s some like bad shit crazy parts

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in it, which I love bad shit crazy So that’s

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cool But you know you throw in a little bit of

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that like 80s kind of unintentional 80s camp

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just due to limitations on technology and things

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like that, you know, I get I don’t know. I did

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enjoy it. I did enjoy it I also rewatched Mothman

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prophecy, which I hadn’t seen since it came out

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and That was actually I held up better than I

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kind of anticipated because I feel like it didn’t

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get the love Like I did it have good reviews

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when it came out cuz I kind of remember people

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being like mixed on it And it not doing as well

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as it it was it felt yeah, it felt kind of like

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it was in a weird place Yeah, yeah, and it’s

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you know, maybe not traditional like horror per

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se I mean, it’s kind of supernatural, but it’s

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like I don’t know. It’s it’s up my alley It’s

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kind of it’s kind of Gotham It’s eerie. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Well, there’s that one. And there’s

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also the dragonfly one with Kevin Costner that’s

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kind of like the opposite of it that has like

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a more like it’s still kind of like supernatural

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and like, you know, thrilling, but it has like

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a better ending and stuff. And I think those

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came out around the same time. And I remember

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confusing them back to back. But I like both

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of them. Yeah. With Dragonfly is the name of

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that one? Yeah, with Kevin Costner. Yeah. Yeah.

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It’s more supernatural. It’s not like super scary,

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but it’s like, you know, he’s over. His wife

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was a doctor in like, you know, a small nation,

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like a kind of an island and stuff, and she was

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missing and he has to go find her and all this

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stuff. And it’s just kind of, you know, it’s

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a it unfolds and to be a very sweet, but also

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supernatural thing. And I just with Mothman,

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I think they came out at the same time. And I

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was like, cool, we need more stuff like this.

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And then we didn’t get it. Not true. You know,

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this might be an unpopular opinion, but I kind

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of gravitate more to the like night late 90s,

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early 2000s horror. Films maybe because that’s

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where I started really like kind of getting into

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it more than like the 80s Which I think a lot

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of people hold up to be the kind of heyday of

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like core films I mean it’s because our generation

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grew up in the 80s right and I guess probably

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saw those at a young age Way too young. Yeah,

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so then you get your kind of some of those for

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that reason so like I’m not totally immune, you

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know, like I mean, obviously I really was into

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Uh, poltergeist and the shining and things like

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that when I was a kid. Yes, poltergeist, too

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Just scared the crap out of me more than any

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of the other ones. Yeah, it is. It’s Reverend

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Kane. My goodness. He’s great All right, well

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transitioning into some news right now South

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by Southwest is going on it’ll be over by the

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time you hear this but some revelations from

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it a hokum premiered there which we had talked

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about in our looking forward to 2026 episode

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This is the the directors Damian McCarthy who

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did oddity and caveat and but apparently It was

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well received and It comes out on May 1st. So

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that’s interesting and Pretty lethal premiere

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there, which is more of a thriller But it basically

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follows a group of ballerinas as they try to

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escape from a remote inn after their bus breaks

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down on the way to a dance competition. Oh, fun.

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And they have to kind of be inventive in how

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they defend themselves with their dance moves,

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apparently. Yeah. It doesn’t look as cheesy.

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I saw the trailer. I can’t remember where, but

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I was like, oh, maybe I’d watch this. Yeah, I

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kind of got tickled by the idea to be part of

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that. Yeah. And it stars Uma Thurman, Millicent

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Simmons and Iris Apatow. And actually, Iris Apatow

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is Judd Apatow’s daughter. Worked with her. No,

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I worked with her sister one time anyways, but

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her sister was really cool And that is gonna

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be out in on Amazon on March 25th So you don’t

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have a long time to wait for that one cool, which

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is cool ready or not to also premier there and

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This seems to be getting a lot of like praise

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actually. So I didn’t see the first one. Did

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you guys? Yeah, first one’s fun. Yeah, it’s it’s

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cool. I Samantha, is that, or is it Samara? How

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do you say her name? Samara, yeah. Samara Weaving.

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She’s pretty consistent. Yes, I did see that

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when we were at the whole family in The Rich.

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Yeah, and you know, speaking of, she’s kind of

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a modern screen queen, which she’ll make an appearance

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later in our conversation. Well, also fun, fun

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fact for you. A lot of people don’t know this

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because they probably don’t know the band. Radio

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Silence directed Ready or Not, and I’m assuming

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Ready or Not 2, right? Don’t know what radio

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sounds is that it’s too like a team that does

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these different movies possibly because it’s

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a Matt but bet Nelly open and Tyler Gillette

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so You know what band Matt was in no he was the

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guitarist to link 80. Oh That’s who yeah, okay,

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and for you guys who don’t know who link 80 is

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They were a ska punk band from the 90s from the

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Bay Area I was like obsessed with them when I

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was like 1670 the the singer who sadly passed

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was Daniel Steele’s the writer’s son. Yeah. But

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I saw Linkady a couple of times and interviewed

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Matt or not, Matt. I interviewed. Sorry. I interviewed

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Nick Trayna. Yeah. And one of the songs was this

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called Pretty Girls. And I brought that up. And

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he’s like, Matt wrote some dumb emails. Which

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I thought was funny. I reviewed. So, Matt, if

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you’re listening to this, you got you dead to

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rights. So that comes out. Actually, I’m not

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sure when that comes out, but. It stars Samara

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Weaving, as we said, Katherine Newton and Elijah

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Wood. And after surviving one deadly game, Grayson,

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her sister Faith, must now outrun four rival

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families competing for a powerful throne. Winner

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takes all. I imagine it’s kind of more of the

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same, but bigger budget, bigger budget, more

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cast. But apparently this might be one of those

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ones where the sequel holds up to the original.

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So we’re checking out. All right, and some other

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notable films that premiered I’m not gonna go

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in deep on them But over your dead body, which

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is a thriller and bag worm, which sounds really

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interesting It’s a mind -bending body horror,

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but it sounds kind of disgusting. So like gory

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So yeah, I think Samara weaving is also in over

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your dead body. I could be wrong It’s you go

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girl. I mean, maybe it’s Margot Robbie. I don’t

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it’s it’s a blonde This weekend Now we’re recording

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this undertone premier for a 24 and We’ve talked

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about it a couple times in the past and actually

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I think we are gonna try to do a whole episode

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on undertone and the power of Sound design so

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stay tuned for that, but it’ll be a few weeks

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out go see it in advance So because we might

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have some spoilers and we want you know You’d

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be able to listen without it being ruined if

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we’re gonna try to avoid them But you know the

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point is that see it first because you’ll enjoy

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the conversation more but That has so far been

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a success. It’s open to a nine point three million

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dollars Which you know isn’t like paranormal

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activity level success, but it’s like pretty

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dang good Especially considering it’s a super

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indie film with a budget of five hundred thousand

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dollars. Oh shit So you know that I just learned

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that and I’m makes me even more interested to

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check it out You know they’re billing it as like

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a super scary film I have no idea they’re billing

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it as the scariest Film you’ll ever hear Right,

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right. Right. That’s the here’s doing a lot of

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work there, you know Yeah, but hey, you can get

00:14:04.379 –> 00:14:07.220
a lot of mileage out of it. So I’m here to hear

00:14:07.220 –> 00:14:09.779
it Yeah, and just to remind people undertone

00:14:09.779 –> 00:14:11.980
falls the host on it all things creepy podcast

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kind of like ours so, you know it’s it’s a film

00:14:16.220 –> 00:14:19.720
that hits quite close to home for us and Go check

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it out. Go check it out So they follow is starting

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to film this summer. So I’m pretty stoked to

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see that because I really enjoyed it follows.

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That’s the sequel. Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

00:14:33.220 –> 00:14:35.779
the TV show revival is officially dead in the

00:14:35.779 –> 00:14:38.500
water at Hulu. That’s too bad. Yeah. Were you

00:14:38.500 –> 00:14:40.789
a fan of the original? I wasn’t like a hardcore

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fan, but I did appreciate like, you know what

00:14:42.590 –> 00:14:44.789
they were doing. Uh, it was also just, I think

00:14:44.789 –> 00:14:47.049
I was a little bit past it. I w I was out at

00:14:47.049 –> 00:14:49.309
that point, like, you know, doing my thing experience

00:14:49.309 –> 00:14:53.190
in life and stuff. I was already, you know, but

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I know a lot of people who were, and I become

00:14:54.929 –> 00:14:56.590
like kind of adjacent, you know, fans, cause

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I see people who really love it. And I was really

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excited to see Sarah Michelle Geller come out

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with like the new actress and like introduce

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her. And it just, it just seemed really sweet

00:15:04.269 –> 00:15:05.590
and it seemed like it was going to be a good

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thing for for young ladies and women who were

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fans of the genre. Oh, yeah. Well, and I mean,

00:15:11.440 –> 00:15:13.759
that show is so popular and the fans are just

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dying for more. Mm hmm. So, yeah, it is kind

00:15:17.080 –> 00:15:22.240
of a shame. I wonder how much of that is like.

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I wonder why I got canceled, I guess, you know.

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Yeah, it’s kind of like when tremors got canceled

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and they shot a pilot with Kevin Bacon, like

00:15:30.059 –> 00:15:31.580
for the series. And I was like, all right, here

00:15:31.580 –> 00:15:34.009
we go. And then. It didn’t even happen. It’s

00:15:34.009 –> 00:15:35.509
a shame when that happens. Yeah, totally. They

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should at least release the pilots, I think,

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just for curiosity’s sake. And let the public

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see, let them decide. Yeah. Then you’re reading

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the room. Yeah. I like the movie Buffy the Vampire

00:15:44.970 –> 00:15:46.629
Slayer. Exactly. I was going to say that. The

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first time I ever heard Punch It In was that

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movie. I never got into the show, Buffy, but

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I have a funny story. But first I want to say

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I thought the theme song was amazing. Yeah. For

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it, like really cool theme song. And then I heard

00:15:58.809 –> 00:16:01.730
Nerf Herder and was like, not. As into them,

00:16:01.730 –> 00:16:07.809
but that song rules but uh, this is 2013 and

00:16:07.809 –> 00:16:10.070
I like bleached my hair and grew a mullet and

00:16:10.070 –> 00:16:12.409
did the whole david loss boys thing for halloween

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And I i’m very proud of that probably I saw you

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I came out here for a film festival. I wasn’t

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living here yet And I remember that haircut and

00:16:20.549 –> 00:16:23.149
like dude you committed you started at like nine

00:16:23.149 –> 00:16:26.710
months in advance Yeah, I took it very seriously

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And so when people saw it, they usually are like,

00:16:29.620 –> 00:16:31.879
holy shit, you know, I got a lot of praise for

00:16:31.879 –> 00:16:34.519
it. And then I go to this bar, the Bigfoot Lodge

00:16:34.519 –> 00:16:36.960
on Halloween. And this guy looks at me and he’s

00:16:36.960 –> 00:16:38.940
like, oh, hell yeah, you’re Spike. And I was

00:16:38.940 –> 00:16:41.500
like, that spikes from Buffy. And I was like,

00:16:41.679 –> 00:16:45.279
dude, that’s actually pretty great. Even if he

00:16:45.279 –> 00:16:46.879
knew who you’re supposed to be, that’d be really

00:16:46.879 –> 00:16:49.000
good. No, I don’t think he did. I was like, have

00:16:49.000 –> 00:16:51.019
you seen Lost Boys? Like, what? Maybe he’s drunk.

00:16:51.259 –> 00:16:53.259
Well, I mean, like. Buffy’s from the 90s, Lost

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Boys from the 80s. I’m sure the buff or the spike

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look was based on the Kiefer look. Right, right.

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But I mean, come on, what a lineup. I mean, yeah,

00:17:00.600 –> 00:17:02.879
Luke Perry in there. Was it Jason Priestley in

00:17:02.879 –> 00:17:05.839
that? No, it was, yes, Paul Rubens with like

00:17:05.839 –> 00:17:08.160
one of the best dying scenes ever, like the scene

00:17:08.160 –> 00:17:12.200
at the end where he’s got the stick. And he just

00:17:12.200 –> 00:17:14.180
keeps coming back like young me was just like,

00:17:14.400 –> 00:17:16.640
this is the that’s my stick. That’s so funny.

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Yeah, it was really good. Donald Sutherland as

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well. Yeah, yeah. I think the last thing I wanted

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to mention is there’s this documentary coming

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out called The Thing Expanded. Yes. Which I’m

00:17:27.279 –> 00:17:28.740
mentioning also for Peter’s sake if he hasn’t

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heard of it yet. Oh, I know. It looks great.

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Yeah. But they just released a clip from it.

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And we’ll put that on our show notes if you want

00:17:37.920 –> 00:17:42.680
to go check it out. All right. Now let’s move

00:17:42.680 –> 00:17:45.519
into the main segment today, which we’re talking

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about Screen Queens. Screen. Queens not scream

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Queens. I I’m gonna it’s a tongue twister I’m

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gonna like I say like I scream you scream we

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all scream for scream Queens Peters gonna take

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us through what a scream Queen is and We’re gonna

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get into this so what you got okay, so I I think

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anyone listening probably has a knows what a

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scream clean is but It’s generally incorrect

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me if I’m wrong because I think you guys kind

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of research this a little bit, too basically,

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it’s an actress often in a horror movie who screams

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and I mean that is most basic. Yeah, that’s I

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mean true that that’s kind of what I’ve always

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took them as and usually those those actor actresses

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or find themselves in other other horror movies

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though like you could look at drew Barrymore

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who her performance in Scream at the opening

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made her a scream queen even though she hasn’t

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really like followed through in many movies like

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that since But yeah, you know I look this up

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on chat GPT as one does when they’re cramming

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and and then I did some googling around and reading

00:19:04.779 –> 00:19:07.640
some articles and things like that, but um it

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kind of seems like Like you said scream Queens

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scream Queens Second time I’ve done it generally.

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Yeah, it’s like there are final girls and there

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are scream Queens and scream Queens encompass

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final girls in a lot of ways but it’s like really

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just like Actresses that have appeared in more

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than one horror films and they could be in several

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different roles but then when I Came at it from

00:19:30.140 –> 00:19:31.960
a different way in that thought. This is really

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interesting It said like the the main difference

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is that a scream Queen tends to be the first

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one that dies and it’s more like sexually promiscuous

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and more bold and and then usually has like a

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memorable death where a final girl is level one

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who’s like more, you know, more coy or pure and,

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you know, usually outsmarts the bad guy. So I

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thought that was kind of an interesting way to

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look at it, too. It’s like these two different

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art types of females in a horror film. And sometimes

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they’re the same. And sometimes they’re the same.

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We got Neve Campbell in just our original Scream

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series. That’s a really good point. But I feel

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like all the lead actresses in the original Scream

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you could say are… Scream Queens. Totally.

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I mean, I think it probably applies to. Most

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women in horror movies, but I think a key part

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is that they become a queen when they do more

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than one. Like, because, you know what I mean?

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Well, I mean, it’s it depends. Oh, I’ll expand

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on that. No, that’s fine. I mean, let’s hash

00:20:29.579 –> 00:20:31.960
it out as debated. I’m not sure there’s a real

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answer here, is there? I mean, all right. Well,

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let me ask you guys this. What? What comes to

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mind when you think of a screen queen? Which

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actress in which role? Fei Rui, King Kong. OK,

00:20:43.220 –> 00:20:45.079
that’s like the original. That’s considered the

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OG. Yeah. What about you? That’s yeah. Oh, man.

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I mean, I always my mind goes to like the kind

00:20:52.359 –> 00:20:57.519
of the 80s, like Jamie Lee Curtis or Linda Blair.

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Like, I mean, 70s, I guess. But you know what

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I mean? Like those kind of. Because I don’t know

00:21:02.940 –> 00:21:04.339
why. Maybe I’m wrong in this. And I said this

00:21:04.339 –> 00:21:07.079
earlier, but in my mind, kind of the like peak

00:21:07.079 –> 00:21:09.380
of horror, like when it really came to its own,

00:21:09.480 –> 00:21:11.720
was like late 70s through the 80s. So I just

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think of the classic women from that era. In

00:21:15.880 –> 00:21:19.920
my mind, I always go to Janet Lee as Marion Crane

00:21:19.920 –> 00:21:23.160
in Psycho. But the funny thing about that, because

00:21:23.160 –> 00:21:25.940
I rewatched that clip, is I’m like, I couldn’t

00:21:25.940 –> 00:21:27.420
tell you what her scream sounds like. I hear

00:21:27.420 –> 00:21:30.400
the reek, reek, reek. I don’t think she was.

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She’s screaming. Yeah, she is. So it’s it’s kind

00:21:33.509 –> 00:21:36.150
of interesting. But what’s really funny and interesting,

00:21:36.150 –> 00:21:39.549
you brought up Jamie Lee Curtis. So Jamie Lee

00:21:39.549 –> 00:21:43.430
Curtis, I would say, is a scream princess because

00:21:43.430 –> 00:21:47.490
she is Janet Lee’s daughter in real life. Scream,

00:21:47.490 –> 00:21:51.069
scream queen dynasty. It is a dynasty. But obviously

00:21:51.069 –> 00:21:53.819
a scream queen. I love it. Yeah, so I thought

00:21:53.819 –> 00:21:55.720
that was kind of fun. I didn’t actually know

00:21:55.720 –> 00:21:56.880
that. Did you know that? Yeah, yeah, because

00:21:56.880 –> 00:21:58.819
Tony Curtis is her dad. So that’s why she has

00:21:58.819 –> 00:22:00.660
Jamie Lee Curtis. She’s got Lee for the mom,

00:22:00.740 –> 00:22:02.700
Curtis for the dad. This is why I do this with

00:22:02.700 –> 00:22:05.099
you guys, because I learned so much. I learned

00:22:05.099 –> 00:22:09.039
so much. But OK, so then I was thinking about

00:22:09.039 –> 00:22:11.039
it a little more. I’m like, is there a specific

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scene where you’re really thinking about the

00:22:13.839 –> 00:22:17.700
scream that an actress does? Is there one that

00:22:17.700 –> 00:22:20.759
you’re like, that stayed with me? Do you guys

00:22:20.759 –> 00:22:24.619
have anything like that? What is it a Bride of

00:22:24.619 –> 00:22:28.140
Frankenstein her scream does she have one? Elsa

00:22:28.140 –> 00:22:29.900
I can’t think of her name her last name right

00:22:29.900 –> 00:22:34.500
now. Yes. It’s more shriek It was more of a I

00:22:34.500 –> 00:22:36.119
guess so yeah, but that comes to mind though

00:22:36.119 –> 00:22:38.279
And I and I guess for me like whenever I’m like

00:22:38.279 –> 00:22:39.700
and you’re right because now I’m not actually

00:22:39.700 –> 00:22:41.839
listening to the screams It’s more other faces,

00:22:42.039 –> 00:22:43.440
you know, and I think that’s what draws me and

00:22:43.440 –> 00:22:47.109
I think that becomes like the like The main thing

00:22:47.109 –> 00:22:49.049
for me because like I can’t actually hear the

00:22:49.049 –> 00:22:50.670
Bride of Frankenstein But I can like see her

00:22:50.670 –> 00:22:52.490
like face where she’s like trying to like scream.

00:22:52.490 –> 00:22:55.650
I guess well, here’s something interesting So

00:22:55.650 –> 00:22:57.549
Chris you brought up like the 80s being thinking

00:22:57.549 –> 00:23:00.430
to scream Queen. So we need to quickly return

00:23:00.430 –> 00:23:04.029
to living dead and night of the demons gets that

00:23:04.029 –> 00:23:08.569
but Me growing up on punk rock, right? I listened

00:23:08.569 –> 00:23:12.009
to this band the Quincy punks and They have they

00:23:12.009 –> 00:23:15.269
have this song called Tina about Tina from Return

00:23:15.269 –> 00:23:16.549
of the Living Dead, it’s like, if you really

00:23:16.549 –> 00:23:18.349
love me, you’ll let me eat my brains. Let me

00:23:18.349 –> 00:23:20.509
eat your brains. And so I’ve listened to that

00:23:20.509 –> 00:23:22.769
song millions of times, but it has a sample from

00:23:22.769 –> 00:23:26.089
the movie. And it’s it’s Tom Matthews character,

00:23:26.349 –> 00:23:29.349
Freddy, telling Tina he wants to eat her brains.

00:23:29.349 –> 00:23:32.490
And when she says, like, get away the way her

00:23:32.490 –> 00:23:34.970
voice just shrieks, that’s like the one that

00:23:34.970 –> 00:23:36.509
I had to think about this. I’m like, that’s the

00:23:36.509 –> 00:23:39.619
scream I know more than any other. Other all

00:23:39.619 –> 00:23:41.359
because we listen to that album on repeat, you

00:23:41.359 –> 00:23:43.599
know, right, right So I thought that that was

00:23:43.599 –> 00:23:47.140
funny because she’s that that actress is Beverly

00:23:47.140 –> 00:23:50.559
Randolph So I know her her screen because of

00:23:50.559 –> 00:23:52.680
that sample actually, why don’t we take a minute

00:23:52.680 –> 00:24:06.059
to listen to that right now? Because I can smell

00:24:06.059 –> 00:24:16.920
your brain You made me break my hand completely

00:24:16.920 –> 00:24:32.220
off It’s funny, but if I had to think of like

00:24:32.220 –> 00:24:34.539
what Because I really had to put thought into

00:24:34.539 –> 00:24:36.140
this because I’m like seeing so many of these

00:24:36.140 –> 00:24:39.579
you’re like which What screams really jump out

00:24:39.579 –> 00:24:42.019
at you? What? You know like there’s a there’s

00:24:42.019 –> 00:24:47.460
a lot and so the one scene With with some really

00:24:47.460 –> 00:24:50.220
intense screaming. It’s also like a wild performance

00:24:50.220 –> 00:24:56.099
is from Isabel Adjani who’s in the movie possession

00:24:56.099 –> 00:24:58.640
In the subway scene. It’s like a two -minute

00:24:58.640 –> 00:25:01.619
scene of her breaking down Going all in from

00:25:01.619 –> 00:25:03.440
fits a laughter’s and they turn to screen. She’s

00:25:03.440 –> 00:25:06.039
like smashing a grocery bag and just Breaking

00:25:06.039 –> 00:25:08.900
down, but it’s like a really powerful moment.

00:25:09.000 –> 00:25:13.059
I was like that is earned that title I would

00:25:13.059 –> 00:25:17.640
believe yeah, you know, I think maybe What you’re

00:25:17.640 –> 00:25:20.500
implying? Probably intention unintentionally

00:25:20.500 –> 00:25:24.259
in this part of the discussion is like that You

00:25:24.259 –> 00:25:25.960
know screaming is actually like a pretty hard

00:25:25.960 –> 00:25:29.809
thing to do. Yes, like convincingly and I We

00:25:29.809 –> 00:25:31.390
learned this firsthand working with an actor

00:25:31.390 –> 00:25:33.750
who like just like that wasn’t his thing and

00:25:33.750 –> 00:25:35.349
we were trying to get a scream out of him and

00:25:35.349 –> 00:25:38.250
we had to like go back and do pickups and try

00:25:38.250 –> 00:25:39.970
to get a scream. I mean, it never really even

00:25:39.970 –> 00:25:41.990
got there, to be perfectly honest with you. But

00:25:41.990 –> 00:25:45.609
so if you’re really good at screaming and it

00:25:45.609 –> 00:25:48.410
can be like iconic and like, you know, and it’s

00:25:48.410 –> 00:25:51.609
a talent. Yeah, I mean, I actually was looking

00:25:51.609 –> 00:25:53.109
that up yesterday and I was like, how many of

00:25:53.109 –> 00:25:55.490
these ladies, it’s their voice and a lot of them

00:25:55.490 –> 00:25:58.750
it is. I couldn’t find out. who they, you know,

00:25:58.990 –> 00:26:02.170
used not a Wilhelm scream, but like a scream

00:26:02.170 –> 00:26:05.529
over there. Well, I used to… Peter and I both

00:26:05.529 –> 00:26:08.210
used to scream in punk rock bands and me in hardcore

00:26:08.210 –> 00:26:10.009
bands and stuff. I guess, I don’t know if you

00:26:10.009 –> 00:26:12.250
would call the scare hardcore or not, but…

00:26:12.250 –> 00:26:13.890
And it’s a skill. Like, you got to like practice

00:26:13.890 –> 00:26:17.910
it. And, you know, we tended to use, I’ll say

00:26:17.910 –> 00:26:20.349
we in the like royal sense of like hardcore bands.

00:26:20.849 –> 00:26:23.130
You know, you kind of use the mic to your advantage

00:26:23.130 –> 00:26:24.569
and kind of get some distortion out of that.

00:26:24.750 –> 00:26:28.779
But like… You know you when you really are

00:26:28.779 –> 00:26:32.339
screaming it like hurts. You know if you’re Full

00:26:32.339 –> 00:26:35.140
-throated like terror scream. It could be painful.

00:26:35.319 –> 00:26:39.799
Yeah What’s funny is I know someone who directs

00:26:39.799 –> 00:26:42.779
movies and they called me up because they couldn’t

00:26:42.779 –> 00:26:45.359
get the actor couldn’t actress Maybe couldn’t

00:26:45.359 –> 00:26:47.900
scream in their movie. So he was like Peter Do

00:26:47.900 –> 00:26:50.920
you know any singers who could who could do this?

00:26:50.920 –> 00:26:56.019
And I recommended one That he I guess he didn’t

00:26:56.019 –> 00:26:58.240
go with whatever he found a solution to it But

00:26:58.240 –> 00:27:00.440
it’s just kind of funny because he’s like a scream

00:27:00.440 –> 00:27:04.700
double. Yeah That’s funny. You got to call it

00:27:04.700 –> 00:27:08.200
a scream queen for that then Yeah, or a singer

00:27:08.200 –> 00:27:12.059
in a hardcore band. Yeah, so what are some like

00:27:12.059 –> 00:27:14.660
when in that case like okay We kind of mentioned

00:27:14.660 –> 00:27:18.119
who we each individually thought were like the

00:27:18.119 –> 00:27:21.220
scream queen but like do you got like a list

00:27:21.220 –> 00:27:24.039
of some really well -known ones for people who

00:27:24.170 –> 00:27:27.029
Might want to know who we’re talking about Yeah,

00:27:27.029 –> 00:27:30.450
I mean you have the the modern -day ones Mia

00:27:30.450 –> 00:27:33.569
goth, right? There’s even a clip of her online

00:27:33.569 –> 00:27:36.029
Like interview being interviewed where she’s

00:27:36.029 –> 00:27:38.329
like doing different screams and she’s like this

00:27:38.329 –> 00:27:40.630
one’s better, right? Yeah, she’s great She’s

00:27:40.630 –> 00:27:42.890
I actually really like her as an actress Jenna

00:27:42.890 –> 00:27:45.210
Ortega would be another which is interesting

00:27:45.210 –> 00:27:47.369
I actually didn’t realize that about Jenna Ortega

00:27:47.369 –> 00:27:49.150
because I’ve like kind of skipped a lot of the

00:27:49.150 –> 00:27:51.349
horror films that she was in but nowhere Primarily

00:27:51.349 –> 00:27:54.160
from her like massive Popularity now, you know,

00:27:54.299 –> 00:27:56.119
yeah, but I didn’t really she came from that.

00:27:56.119 –> 00:28:03.000
Yeah, she’s she’s an ex she’s in Scream six five

00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:05.000
five. I think she’s in both. Yeah. She has both

00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:08.440
her and Melissa Berra And she’s in other things

00:28:08.440 –> 00:28:10.539
that even before that I think she was in some

00:28:10.539 –> 00:28:13.059
smaller ones That would not surprise only cuz

00:28:13.059 –> 00:28:18.380
I thought of this article. I just read Feel each

00:28:18.380 –> 00:28:21.480
decade probably has their their actresses who

00:28:21.480 –> 00:28:25.700
shine. I got some other modern ones here like

00:28:25.700 –> 00:28:28.759
Kiki Palmer who’s actually really cool? She was

00:28:28.759 –> 00:28:31.059
in nope, but it’s been in other things before

00:28:31.059 –> 00:28:33.819
that and I think she’s in a film. That’s No,

00:28:33.819 –> 00:28:37.579
this is bad. I should know that Naomi Watts Samara

00:28:37.579 –> 00:28:42.319
weaving who we talked about earlier Make a Monroe.

00:28:42.799 –> 00:28:47.299
Yes from the follows. Yep, and I wonder if She’ll

00:28:47.299 –> 00:28:48.980
be in they follow me probably not it. They’re

00:28:48.980 –> 00:28:51.799
probably like go a different direction And then

00:28:51.799 –> 00:28:55.180
Melissa Barrera and Anna Taylor Joy. Yeah, those

00:28:55.180 –> 00:28:57.460
are what about more like classic ones you got

00:28:57.460 –> 00:29:00.559
I mean what’s classic now a friend of mine was

00:29:00.559 –> 00:29:04.119
I’m going with anything before like 2009 okay,

00:29:04.599 –> 00:29:07.440
a friend of mine was like I’m coming to California

00:29:07.440 –> 00:29:09.539
to buy a classic car So I thought he was like

00:29:09.539 –> 00:29:12.779
thinking of a plum plum with fury. He’s like

00:29:12.779 –> 00:29:15.319
I know a 1990 suburban and I was like That’s

00:29:15.319 –> 00:29:18.440
a classic car. Yeah, it is. It’s the way five

00:29:18.440 –> 00:29:21.519
years now at this point. It’s like classic rock

00:29:21.519 –> 00:29:24.480
is no longer the Rolling Stones. It’s Nirvana

00:29:24.480 –> 00:29:26.720
and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Right. It makes

00:29:26.720 –> 00:29:30.319
you feel old. Well, I got another list of classic

00:29:30.319 –> 00:29:32.000
ones I could read real quick if you. Yeah, go

00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:34.319
for it. It’s worthwhile. OK. Well, we mentioned

00:29:34.319 –> 00:29:37.099
a few of these already, but Jamie Lee Curtis,

00:29:37.400 –> 00:29:40.880
Barbara Crampton, Sigourney Weaver. Linda Blair

00:29:40.880 –> 00:29:43.579
Sarah Michelle Geller, which I mean she’s like

00:29:43.579 –> 00:29:49.099
90s, but I’ll put her in the classic Adrian Barbo

00:29:49.099 –> 00:29:55.099
Lynn Shay D Wallace Heather legging camp Yeah,

00:29:55.099 –> 00:30:00.519
I guess yeah, Jennifer love you it’s definitely

00:30:00.519 –> 00:30:03.140
like I guess like late 90s early 2000s Yeah,

00:30:03.140 –> 00:30:05.039
I know what you did last summer. I bet like what

00:30:05.039 –> 00:30:07.099
else which did she do beside that? I guess that’s

00:30:07.099 –> 00:30:08.480
it. But she’s yes. I mean, that’s a pretty big

00:30:08.480 –> 00:30:10.769
legacy though, right? I just like that. I mean,

00:30:10.869 –> 00:30:13.630
she, they’re still making those. Yeah. Then she

00:30:13.630 –> 00:30:16.869
came back, right? She came back for that. I don’t

00:30:16.869 –> 00:30:18.049
know if she was like the star, but I think she

00:30:18.049 –> 00:30:20.349
had a role. Like a role in it. Yeah. She’s got

00:30:20.349 –> 00:30:22.230
a lot of scenes where it’s just herself yelling

00:30:22.230 –> 00:30:24.630
for people to come after her. She’s, she’s got

00:30:24.630 –> 00:30:27.890
some, she’s got some lungs. That’s right. Would

00:30:27.890 –> 00:30:30.309
you ever be a scream queen? I’ve got a pretty

00:30:30.309 –> 00:30:32.309
good scream. I’ve got a pretty good cackle. So

00:30:32.309 –> 00:30:35.829
probably. Yeah. What about you, Peter? Would

00:30:35.829 –> 00:30:38.920
you be a scream king? Jesus, I hate that term.

00:30:39.279 –> 00:30:41.940
It’s just it’s like, why is that? Of course,

00:30:41.940 –> 00:30:44.420
it has an identity for for a guy who screams

00:30:44.420 –> 00:30:46.619
in a movie. I mean, the only one I can think

00:30:46.619 –> 00:30:49.400
of is Bruce Campbell. But no, like I was thinking

00:30:49.400 –> 00:30:52.480
of screams and I’m going through them and Pet

00:30:52.480 –> 00:30:56.259
Sematary, the the guy who plays the doctor. I

00:30:56.259 –> 00:30:58.599
don’t remember the actor’s name. He has a couple

00:30:58.599 –> 00:31:01.859
great screams when Gage gets hit his kid by the

00:31:01.859 –> 00:31:04.259
truck. I think it’s in the very ending and less

00:31:04.259 –> 00:31:06.299
about the scream and more about like who who

00:31:06.299 –> 00:31:10.029
are like Men that have been repeatedly in horror

00:31:10.029 –> 00:31:13.230
films. I mean, there’s there’s a lot. It’s but

00:31:13.230 –> 00:31:15.210
they pop up differently because there’s like

00:31:15.210 –> 00:31:17.910
character actors who do it. Right. But I feel

00:31:17.910 –> 00:31:20.910
like it’s like a uniquely woman thing. Like,

00:31:20.950 –> 00:31:23.190
like because, you know, the victims in horror

00:31:23.190 –> 00:31:26.809
films tend to be women. So like, you know, like.

00:31:27.049 –> 00:31:29.490
Maybe Nick Cage. Like, I feel like that guy can

00:31:29.490 –> 00:31:32.609
scream like the bees and like his Bookerman remake.

00:31:33.190 –> 00:31:36.289
Jesus. He’s his own can of worms. He’s just a

00:31:36.289 –> 00:31:38.529
screamer in general. And I know it’s not like

00:31:38.529 –> 00:31:41.109
necessarily like a scream king. I guess it’s

00:31:41.109 –> 00:31:42.710
just more of an instance. But I do like David

00:31:42.710 –> 00:31:44.750
Naughton, like when he turns into his werewolf,

00:31:44.769 –> 00:31:47.150
an American werewolf in London, that’s some like,

00:31:47.150 –> 00:31:49.930
you know, deep bowel, like screaming in pain.

00:31:50.150 –> 00:31:51.930
That’s really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think

00:31:51.930 –> 00:31:55.029
what’s interesting, I guess, is that it’s And

00:31:55.029 –> 00:31:57.890
since we’re recording this last this will air

00:31:57.890 –> 00:32:00.230
the last weekend of International Women’s Month

00:32:00.230 –> 00:32:04.109
is that it is Interesting that this is like kind

00:32:04.109 –> 00:32:07.329
of an aspect an area of film where women kind

00:32:07.329 –> 00:32:11.029
of rule, you know in a way it’s like For good

00:32:11.029 –> 00:32:13.809
or for bad. I’m not sure but but like it’s you

00:32:13.809 –> 00:32:16.829
know, it’s like it’s a lot harder to name scream

00:32:16.829 –> 00:32:20.650
Kings and And the question is if they even really

00:32:20.650 –> 00:32:24.180
are a thing. Whereas, you know There are lots

00:32:24.180 –> 00:32:26.000
of women who’ve made careers in horror films

00:32:26.000 –> 00:32:28.200
and like, you know, done really interesting stuff

00:32:28.200 –> 00:32:31.059
and then we remember them, you know? Well, that

00:32:31.059 –> 00:32:33.000
gave me thinking. I’m like, I’m wondering what

00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:36.000
horror movies do not have screams in them. You

00:32:36.000 –> 00:32:38.700
know, like that just feels like a staple in a

00:32:38.700 –> 00:32:42.000
horror movie. Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it’s

00:32:42.000 –> 00:32:46.380
the way that you show you’re scared or show isn’t

00:32:46.380 –> 00:32:49.440
the right word. It’s audio. So it’d be like.

00:32:49.880 –> 00:32:52.950
Here. That they’re scared or project that they’re

00:32:52.950 –> 00:32:54.789
scared. I don’t know. But yeah, it’s like a good

00:32:54.789 –> 00:32:56.630
way to like show the emotion, right? Right, right,

00:32:56.630 –> 00:33:00.069
right. It’s yeah your sound design What’s what’s

00:33:00.069 –> 00:33:01.589
kind of interesting now that I think about it

00:33:01.589 –> 00:33:05.269
is there’s a 90s? Horror movie called mute witness

00:33:05.269 –> 00:33:08.630
and the lead is an actress She can’t scream,

00:33:08.789 –> 00:33:11.930
right? Right, but so it’s all on her face and

00:33:11.930 –> 00:33:14.289
how she acts Well, there’s a what was that one

00:33:14.289 –> 00:33:16.730
like don’t breathe which is more of a thriller,

00:33:16.910 –> 00:33:19.480
but like they’re being hunted in this house by

00:33:19.480 –> 00:33:21.440
a blind guy, I think. But they can’t make any

00:33:21.440 –> 00:33:23.720
sounds or else I’ll get them. Yeah. Yeah. Or

00:33:23.720 –> 00:33:28.480
the one about the aliens where you can’t make

00:33:28.480 –> 00:33:30.519
noise either. The quiet place. The quiet place

00:33:30.519 –> 00:33:33.579
ones. Oh, yeah. Well, I got a question for you

00:33:33.579 –> 00:33:37.299
guys. Like, do you think that Scream Queens are

00:33:37.299 –> 00:33:40.440
a legacy of the past and like we’re going to

00:33:40.440 –> 00:33:42.859
see less and less of them? Or do you think it’s,

00:33:42.859 –> 00:33:44.789
you know, because I kind of feel like. There

00:33:44.789 –> 00:33:47.349
are good horror films are kind of a good entry

00:33:47.349 –> 00:33:49.089
for a lot of actors these days But you don’t

00:33:49.089 –> 00:33:51.009
see a lot of people who spend their like whole

00:33:51.009 –> 00:33:54.089
career or like a big portion of it doing Just

00:33:54.089 –> 00:33:56.309
horror films anymore, but I mean we named a bunch,

00:33:56.630 –> 00:33:59.089
but I don’t know. What do you think? Well, I

00:33:59.089 –> 00:34:03.089
think I mean I’m not an actor or actress But

00:34:03.089 –> 00:34:07.549
I think actors Will tend to see like oh, they’ll

00:34:07.549 –> 00:34:10.369
put me in these movies I’ll do it. You know,

00:34:10.369 –> 00:34:12.309
I’ll create a brand. I’ll create a cult following

00:34:12.779 –> 00:34:14.519
That’s a good way to do it and you can usually

00:34:14.519 –> 00:34:17.119
check cash right and now you can branch out I

00:34:17.119 –> 00:34:19.559
feel like in the 80s you got kind of pigeon -held

00:34:19.559 –> 00:34:23.099
to do B movies whatever but now it’s you know

00:34:23.099 –> 00:34:26.719
these horror movies are very popular mm -hmm

00:34:26.719 –> 00:34:30.460
mm -hmm also horrors like You know probably hotter

00:34:30.460 –> 00:34:33.639
than it’s been in a long long time like it’s

00:34:33.639 –> 00:34:36.420
it’s a You know every week. There’s like two

00:34:36.420 –> 00:34:39.570
three horror films that come out Yeah, it’s it’s

00:34:39.570 –> 00:34:41.610
kind of interesting because I’ve always thought

00:34:41.610 –> 00:34:44.630
horror was popular It wasn’t you know, or maybe

00:34:44.630 –> 00:34:47.349
I can’t see the force from the trees type thing

00:34:47.349 –> 00:34:50.369
Well, but I mean like it’s in a way, you know

00:34:50.369 –> 00:34:53.329
with a 24 and neon all these things. I’ve got

00:34:53.329 –> 00:34:55.710
a really elevate You know this term but they’re

00:34:55.710 –> 00:34:57.789
elevating horror till like mainstream in a way

00:34:57.789 –> 00:34:59.909
that it and also like let’s be honest here the

00:34:59.909 –> 00:35:03.409
way that the world is right now like it’s a reflection

00:35:03.409 –> 00:35:05.550
I think of like what we’re struggling with but

00:35:05.550 –> 00:35:08.940
but also it’s You know, it’s a genre that people

00:35:08.940 –> 00:35:11.059
will still turn out to in movie theaters and

00:35:11.059 –> 00:35:12.619
like, you know at the end of the day they want

00:35:12.619 –> 00:35:15.079
to make money and people will Will go see him.

00:35:15.219 –> 00:35:17.420
Well, you also have Halloween where then it’s

00:35:17.420 –> 00:35:20.280
like that’s a whole revamps the whole thing,

00:35:20.360 –> 00:35:22.019
right? We’re like, oh, it’s spooky season. I’m

00:35:22.019 –> 00:35:24.900
gonna watch horror movies There’s that’s a thing

00:35:24.900 –> 00:35:29.000
I’m surprised maybe this exists, but I’m wondering

00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:32.320
if there is a campy queer movie called Scream

00:35:32.320 –> 00:35:35.389
Queens Yeah, but was I think there was a TV show

00:35:35.389 –> 00:35:38.650
also called scream Queens. I mean, it’s right

00:35:38.650 –> 00:35:41.210
there It’s like such low -hanging fruit like

00:35:41.210 –> 00:35:43.769
clearly you got to make this film like that Like

00:35:43.769 –> 00:35:45.449
I’m surprised a first person who thought of that

00:35:45.449 –> 00:35:48.369
didn’t go out and make that film Yeah, right.

00:35:48.389 –> 00:35:50.469
It’s just just like waiting there for the taking

00:35:51.219 –> 00:35:53.039
I do agree with you and you said as far as like

00:35:53.039 –> 00:35:55.239
these film are getting a little bit elevated

00:35:55.239 –> 00:35:56.679
and far as their horror because like yeah if

00:35:56.679 –> 00:35:58.579
you look at like the 80s and 90s it is fun and

00:35:58.579 –> 00:36:00.119
it’s cheesy but when you come out with something

00:36:00.119 –> 00:36:02.780
like a 24 with like the witch or even like the

00:36:02.780 –> 00:36:06.119
lighthouse like that you know you’ve it is like

00:36:06.119 –> 00:36:08.460
but it’s not only just like eerie but it’s shot

00:36:08.460 –> 00:36:10.320
beautifully like it’s also like you know very

00:36:10.320 –> 00:36:13.039
cinematic and it’s pretty in its own like way

00:36:13.039 –> 00:36:16.599
and I think that has like a different Pool to

00:36:16.599 –> 00:36:19.719
fans and maybe like say Evil Dead or Nightmare

00:36:19.719 –> 00:36:21.659
on Elm Street because it’s it’s more I don’t

00:36:21.659 –> 00:36:23.960
know I don’t say more like, you know bougie or

00:36:23.960 –> 00:36:26.119
like cinematic but it is in its own way with

00:36:26.119 –> 00:36:28.320
the way it’s coming out these days totally and

00:36:28.320 –> 00:36:30.320
you know, just maybe think it’s something that

00:36:30.320 –> 00:36:33.900
You know as a counterpoint to well like to answer

00:36:33.900 –> 00:36:36.099
my own question a minute from a minute ago I

00:36:36.099 –> 00:36:40.280
I think maybe there’s less You know and also

00:36:40.280 –> 00:36:42.860
based on what you said Peter there’s less stigma

00:36:43.099 –> 00:36:45.320
to being in horror films as an actress, like

00:36:45.320 –> 00:36:48.420
you’re not worried about it being pigeonholed

00:36:48.420 –> 00:36:52.860
as a B level actress because these films are

00:36:52.860 –> 00:36:55.460
now like A level material, you know what I mean?

00:36:55.639 –> 00:36:57.820
So it’s actually a good way to show your acting

00:36:57.820 –> 00:37:00.659
chops or do something interesting. And also,

00:37:01.019 –> 00:37:03.159
you know, a good way, like for women to have

00:37:03.159 –> 00:37:05.840
a starring role earlier in their careers where

00:37:05.840 –> 00:37:09.400
they’re not often offered that. Well, there’s

00:37:09.400 –> 00:37:12.980
also another. side of that. Even if you’re doing

00:37:12.980 –> 00:37:17.219
the more low budget stuff, a lot of horror actors

00:37:17.219 –> 00:37:21.179
have horror conventions they can go to and stream

00:37:21.179 –> 00:37:22.980
the income that way. Yeah, you know, that’s a

00:37:22.980 –> 00:37:24.420
good point. You know a bit about I mean, you

00:37:24.420 –> 00:37:27.400
probably both do. Why don’t you talk about how

00:37:27.400 –> 00:37:31.179
a lot of these scream queens from the 80s are

00:37:31.179 –> 00:37:34.320
getting by these days? Yeah, I mean, I think

00:37:34.320 –> 00:37:39.940
they do circuits of horror conventions and there’s

00:37:39.940 –> 00:37:42.599
a lot of them in Los Angeles. But how do they

00:37:42.599 –> 00:37:44.940
make their money from that? I mean, they will

00:37:44.940 –> 00:37:47.139
take selfies with you. They’ll sign autographs

00:37:47.139 –> 00:37:49.719
and you get to meet them. Yeah. And then you

00:37:49.719 –> 00:37:51.659
get them like five bucks, 10 bucks. And well,

00:37:51.800 –> 00:37:55.280
it’s a bit more expensive. Yeah. Even in the

00:37:55.280 –> 00:37:57.400
early 2000s, I think it was like kind of 20 bucks.

00:37:57.420 –> 00:38:01.340
But I remember one of the first ones I went,

00:38:01.900 –> 00:38:03.579
Linnea Quigley from Return of the Living Dead

00:38:03.579 –> 00:38:05.039
was there. So I was like, holy shit, I get to

00:38:05.039 –> 00:38:09.239
meet her. And this was before, you know, phones,

00:38:10.059 –> 00:38:13.500
smartphones took pictures. So I got a Polaroid

00:38:13.500 –> 00:38:16.699
and she wrote, Peter, you’re hot on it. And I

00:38:16.699 –> 00:38:20.599
was super stoked because it’s. Oh, yeah. So that

00:38:20.599 –> 00:38:23.920
was cool. And yeah, she was a very nice lady.

00:38:24.340 –> 00:38:27.400
Cool. Very cool. And and you’ve met Barbara Crampton

00:38:27.400 –> 00:38:30.579
before, haven’t you? I have. Also very nice lady.

00:38:31.300 –> 00:38:34.739
David DeWall and I went to. Party a composer

00:38:34.739 –> 00:38:37.460
named will baits his house and she was she was

00:38:37.460 –> 00:38:41.159
there and David knows her and introduced me and

00:38:41.159 –> 00:38:43.460
you know, we shot the shit for a while I think

00:38:43.460 –> 00:38:45.400
we were talking about last call or something

00:38:45.400 –> 00:38:47.239
and she’s like, oh you should consider this person

00:38:47.239 –> 00:38:50.800
or that and Barbara I mean, I don’t have the

00:38:50.800 –> 00:38:52.300
material in front of me, but she was the one

00:38:52.300 –> 00:38:55.519
who pushed against Scream Queens a while ago.

00:38:55.599 –> 00:38:59.840
Yeah. Why is that like why I know that It’s some

00:38:59.840 –> 00:39:02.679
people don’t like the term or being kind of categorized

00:39:02.679 –> 00:39:05.219
this way. You want to explain why that is I?

00:39:05.280 –> 00:39:08.739
Don’t remember exactly her reasoning, but I imagine

00:39:08.739 –> 00:39:12.760
it’s just kind of like It’s just a cheap label.

00:39:12.920 –> 00:39:15.239
Maybe is how they perceive it like I’m more than

00:39:15.239 –> 00:39:17.219
that I’m not just just because I scream in a

00:39:17.219 –> 00:39:20.559
horror movie like I’m an actress Fair point.

00:39:20.559 –> 00:39:23.099
I mean I get I could totally see why that would

00:39:23.099 –> 00:39:25.219
you know rub you the wrong way, but you know

00:39:25.219 –> 00:39:27.019
from the outside looking at I’m like I’m also

00:39:27.019 –> 00:39:31.329
like You know, that’s true. But also it’s like

00:39:31.329 –> 00:39:33.869
acknowledging the sort of iconic status. It’s

00:39:33.869 –> 00:39:38.269
legacy. Yeah. Yeah. But I imagine maybe it hits

00:39:38.269 –> 00:39:41.389
differently when you are from her era that versus

00:39:41.389 –> 00:39:44.869
now, because, you know, at the time, you know,

00:39:44.869 –> 00:39:47.989
I’m sure I don’t know this. I’m projecting what

00:39:47.989 –> 00:39:49.590
I think somebody might feel in that position.

00:39:49.650 –> 00:39:51.849
But like, you know, like you’ve been sort of

00:39:51.849 –> 00:39:54.969
like relegated to these sort of B level roles,

00:39:55.190 –> 00:39:58.030
quote unquote, or Rated R movies, you know that

00:39:58.030 –> 00:40:00.989
not a lot of people see but then But through

00:40:00.989 –> 00:40:03.369
today’s lens, it’s like there’s so many people

00:40:03.369 –> 00:40:06.150
who idolize you and like would like love to be

00:40:06.150 –> 00:40:08.429
in that situation So I wonder, you know, it’s

00:40:08.429 –> 00:40:10.829
just the fact that you came up in the 80s versus

00:40:10.829 –> 00:40:14.130
now like you have a different Experience of what

00:40:14.130 –> 00:40:17.820
that term means Yeah Could very well be true.

00:40:17.940 –> 00:40:19.559
That’s why we’ve kind of maybe elevated from

00:40:19.559 –> 00:40:21.699
that to like in modern times to the final goal,

00:40:21.820 –> 00:40:23.860
which is like a whole nother, you know, subject

00:40:23.860 –> 00:40:25.980
itself that we could go in on. But now it is

00:40:25.980 –> 00:40:27.780
just kind of the touch on that. Like, what is

00:40:27.780 –> 00:40:29.719
the final girl you want to. Um, essentially like,

00:40:29.800 –> 00:40:30.960
you know, the screen creams, like you mentioned

00:40:30.960 –> 00:40:32.480
before, like, you know, it’s usually like someone

00:40:32.480 –> 00:40:33.860
who’s screaming, they’re in terror, you know,

00:40:33.860 –> 00:40:35.019
they’re probably going to wind up, you know,

00:40:35.119 –> 00:40:36.920
dying. The final girl is the complete opposite.

00:40:36.980 –> 00:40:38.880
It’s someone who’s prepared, you know, very,

00:40:38.880 –> 00:40:40.900
uh, planned and calculated. And they wind up

00:40:40.900 –> 00:40:43.519
being the very last, you know, lady in the bunch

00:40:43.519 –> 00:40:45.900
that survived, like all the horrifics, uh, and

00:40:45.900 –> 00:40:47.940
kills outsmarts the bad guy, either kills or

00:40:47.940 –> 00:40:50.300
outsmarts. Yeah. Yeah. You know, very much like

00:40:50.300 –> 00:40:51.900
ready or not, you know, you’re talking about

00:40:51.900 –> 00:40:53.719
that earlier. And then you’ve got, uh, one of

00:40:53.719 –> 00:40:55.900
my favorites tales from the crypt, a demon night,

00:40:56.039 –> 00:40:57.800
Jada Pinkett Smith. You know, she’s like one

00:40:57.800 –> 00:40:59.460
of the old Ultimate Final Girls in that one.

00:40:59.960 –> 00:41:02.559
So maybe that’s just kind of what the progression

00:41:02.559 –> 00:41:06.139
was eventually when people started writing more

00:41:06.139 –> 00:41:08.400
progressive movies and just elevating them in

00:41:08.400 –> 00:41:11.579
general. Now you just have the girl at the end

00:41:11.579 –> 00:41:13.800
that just kicked all the ass and outsmarted everybody.

00:41:14.219 –> 00:41:15.820
Yeah, we’ll have to do an episode on Final Girls

00:41:15.820 –> 00:41:19.000
because there’s probably some really interesting

00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:21.940
things to say about that. And also it’s like

00:41:21.940 –> 00:41:24.949
the whole basis of Scream. Right. Yes. Well,

00:41:25.110 –> 00:41:27.269
now Scream, I would say the basis was kind of

00:41:27.269 –> 00:41:31.269
like, uh, parodying slasher movies. Well, yeah,

00:41:31.269 –> 00:41:33.829
but it’s like they lean, they lean into the idea

00:41:33.829 –> 00:41:36.130
of the final girl, like with they talk about

00:41:36.130 –> 00:41:38.750
that and the roles. Yeah. In the jokes and stuff.

00:41:38.869 –> 00:41:42.710
Well, that’s also an interesting thing because

00:41:42.710 –> 00:41:46.429
that I think was kind of a pattern that people

00:41:46.429 –> 00:41:49.269
picked up on. I don’t know how often a screenwriter

00:41:49.269 –> 00:41:51.670
would sit down and be like. This is gonna be

00:41:51.670 –> 00:41:53.650
the girl who’s gonna survive this they might

00:41:53.650 –> 00:41:56.510
just be like I need a babysitter Usually girls

00:41:56.510 –> 00:41:58.809
for babysitters. Is she gonna live or die? I

00:41:58.809 –> 00:42:01.550
don’t know third draft. Okay, she lives, you

00:42:01.550 –> 00:42:03.489
know, like there might not be as much thought

00:42:03.489 –> 00:42:06.389
now They’re probably I’m gonna push back on that

00:42:06.389 –> 00:42:09.230
I imagine the studios are in fun funders and

00:42:09.230 –> 00:42:11.429
stuff are like you can’t just kill everybody

00:42:11.429 –> 00:42:12.909
in it particularly in the 80s like they’re gonna

00:42:12.909 –> 00:42:15.989
be in earlier You all eyes have but you always

00:42:15.989 –> 00:42:20.260
have the hero survive, you know No, not the indie

00:42:20.260 –> 00:42:24.500
stuff and how I like Halloween was the one I

00:42:24.500 –> 00:42:27.380
was referencing Because that that’s and I don’t

00:42:27.380 –> 00:42:31.000
know what carpenter had in mind But I I would

00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:33.099
guarantee that he’s not like thinking I’m gonna

00:42:33.099 –> 00:42:35.559
create this trope or I’m gonna focus in on a

00:42:35.559 –> 00:42:39.059
trope No, I mean like I don’t know like you said

00:42:39.059 –> 00:42:40.920
I don’t know how much thought is put into the

00:42:40.920 –> 00:42:42.860
idea of like it there must be a final girl so

00:42:42.860 –> 00:42:45.019
much is just like there must be someone who survives

00:42:45.019 –> 00:42:47.820
and like You know, I think part of why women

00:42:48.349 –> 00:42:51.190
Maybe are the victims in horror movies could

00:42:51.190 –> 00:42:53.489
be that there’s like an extra layer of vulnerability

00:42:53.489 –> 00:42:56.610
because like from like a You know, particularly

00:42:56.610 –> 00:42:58.230
in the 80s and stuff like you’re looking at it

00:42:58.230 –> 00:43:01.230
from this like They’re not as quote -unquote

00:43:01.230 –> 00:43:03.550
strong as men, you know from like a muscle. So

00:43:03.550 –> 00:43:06.469
it’s like you’ve got to rely on something else

00:43:06.469 –> 00:43:08.650
Right to get out whereas like it would be a little

00:43:08.650 –> 00:43:11.210
less interesting if you’re like two tough guys

00:43:11.210 –> 00:43:12.849
It’s just like an action film. I guess at that

00:43:12.849 –> 00:43:15.989
point, you know, I mean like I don’t know right

00:43:16.139 –> 00:43:18.599
Yeah, it’s interesting. I mean if you look at

00:43:18.599 –> 00:43:21.619
the the texas chainsaw massacre that has a final

00:43:21.619 –> 00:43:24.500
girl as well But that just really feels like

00:43:24.500 –> 00:43:27.800
an experience of of just a nightmare these people

00:43:27.800 –> 00:43:32.199
are in and like she survives just barely Because

00:43:32.199 –> 00:43:34.360
and it’s because a trucker happens to drive by

00:43:34.360 –> 00:43:36.920
and you know, like she she is able to outrun

00:43:36.920 –> 00:43:39.659
them I guess Maybe she’s just a survival not

00:43:39.659 –> 00:43:41.940
really a final girl, right? Right, and it’s it

00:43:41.940 –> 00:43:44.019
kind of predates it. So that’s where I’m getting

00:43:44.019 –> 00:43:47.199
at before like now everything’s so self aware

00:43:47.199 –> 00:43:51.440
that people probably are like crossing check

00:43:51.440 –> 00:43:54.119
marks off there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I’m sure you

00:43:54.119 –> 00:43:55.940
or playing what they’re like trying to subvert

00:43:55.940 –> 00:43:57.860
the trope, you know, like, oh, this is going

00:43:57.860 –> 00:43:59.639
to be a final girl. Oh, she died. And actually,

00:44:00.219 –> 00:44:03.019
you know, the dogs are or she died and the dog

00:44:03.019 –> 00:44:04.440
survived. I don’t know. You know what I mean?

00:44:04.480 –> 00:44:06.539
Like where you’re like, you think people are

00:44:06.539 –> 00:44:09.719
going to like anticipate something. So you intentionally.

00:44:10.340 –> 00:44:12.539
In fact, I think there is a movie called Final

00:44:12.539 –> 00:44:15.500
Girls. There is, I think. It’s uh, I want to

00:44:15.500 –> 00:44:16.980
see if it’s what i’m thinking of. Yeah, I think

00:44:16.980 –> 00:44:21.360
it’s in from the early 2000s No, well, there’s

00:44:21.360 –> 00:44:23.960
one from 2015, but that’s not what i’m thinking

00:44:23.960 –> 00:44:26.480
of. Um, Jesus I can’t think of the one that i’m

00:44:26.480 –> 00:44:29.539
it’s kind of like they go into the movie And

00:44:29.539 –> 00:44:32.219
maybe it’s called final girls not final girl.

00:44:32.320 –> 00:44:37.940
Let me see Uh, yeah, no there was a a 2015 movie

00:44:37.940 –> 00:44:40.079
called the final girls. It’s a horror comedy

00:44:40.079 –> 00:44:44.449
that uh the plot follows a group of high school

00:44:44.449 –> 00:44:47.349
students who were transported into a 1986 film

00:44:47.349 –> 00:44:49.869
called Camp Bloodbath. So it kind of plays to

00:44:49.869 –> 00:44:51.989
all that, you know. Yeah, leans into the tropes.

00:44:52.110 –> 00:44:55.469
Yeah. Yeah. You were saying something about the.

00:44:55.469 –> 00:44:57.250
Oh, yeah, I was just going to get back to Hellraiser.

00:44:57.369 –> 00:44:58.929
So like, oh, yeah, I guess she is like, again,

00:44:58.949 –> 00:45:00.789
just like outwitting him and doing like the puzzles

00:45:00.789 –> 00:45:03.230
and stuff to like be spattered in him. Right.

00:45:03.469 –> 00:45:04.989
You know, what was interesting about the Hellraiser

00:45:04.989 –> 00:45:09.389
one, the final girl in Hellraiser, she is actually

00:45:09.389 –> 00:45:12.829
not that. Present in the first half of the film.

00:45:13.039 –> 00:45:15.300
She kind of comes in at the end, you know, like

00:45:15.300 –> 00:45:17.280
she’s actually not involved with the haunting

00:45:17.280 –> 00:45:20.719
until she just like shows up like for the like

00:45:20.719 –> 00:45:23.699
climax, basically. But you’re right. She survives

00:45:23.699 –> 00:45:25.920
in the end, you know, and she is the one that’s

00:45:25.920 –> 00:45:30.739
like trying to be on this, you know, how was

00:45:30.739 –> 00:45:32.159
she like studying for med school or something?

00:45:32.199 –> 00:45:34.380
So she’s like, you know, I don’t I forget, but

00:45:34.380 –> 00:45:37.760
she’s like on the straight and narrow. Yeah.

00:45:39.039 –> 00:45:40.940
It’s I mean, it’s based on a book. It’s been

00:45:40.940 –> 00:45:43.320
forever since I’ve read it. And I don’t remember

00:45:43.320 –> 00:45:46.179
if she’s more present earlier, because obviously

00:45:46.179 –> 00:45:49.039
things change when you make the movie. Yeah,

00:45:49.039 –> 00:45:51.380
totally. Yeah. And I mean, to be fair, the way

00:45:51.380 –> 00:45:52.980
it’s written, there’s not like a lot for her

00:45:52.980 –> 00:45:54.900
to do in the first half of the movie. So like,

00:45:54.960 –> 00:45:58.039
you know, that checks out. But like, it seems

00:45:58.039 –> 00:46:00.519
like it just sets it up to keep going. Yeah.

00:46:00.679 –> 00:46:03.400
Yeah. I just feel like in the 80s, like, you

00:46:03.400 –> 00:46:06.179
know, now all the films, like not all of them,

00:46:06.179 –> 00:46:07.699
but a lot of films followed the Save the Cat

00:46:07.699 –> 00:46:11.070
kind of Structure, but a lot of times the 80s

00:46:11.070 –> 00:46:13.050
like horror films They didn’t really always do

00:46:13.050 –> 00:46:15.329
that, you know, cuz she’s the final girl, but

00:46:15.329 –> 00:46:17.610
she wasn’t really the main character, right?

00:46:17.610 –> 00:46:20.730
I mean it’s it just depends how the story shakes

00:46:20.730 –> 00:46:24.409
that Totally, but it really depends because now

00:46:24.409 –> 00:46:26.150
it’s like you’ve seen so many of these things

00:46:26.150 –> 00:46:31.849
that By osmosis people pick up these, you know

00:46:31.849 –> 00:46:34.530
What they’re watching and absorb it and then

00:46:34.530 –> 00:46:37.719
reproduce it whether they mean to or not So here’s

00:46:37.719 –> 00:46:40.579
a terrible movie idea. It’s like they should

00:46:40.579 –> 00:46:43.880
make a final girl movie where it’s all the final

00:46:43.880 –> 00:46:46.380
girls from all these famous horror franchises

00:46:46.380 –> 00:46:49.280
are pitted up against one each other. No, they’re

00:46:49.280 –> 00:46:54.800
like a battle royale. Kind of a genius. All right,

00:46:54.840 –> 00:46:58.300
Peter, write it. All right. Well, I feel like

00:46:58.300 –> 00:47:00.460
that’s a good spot to leave it. Thanks for chatting

00:47:00.460 –> 00:47:02.730
today, guys. Do you have plans for this week?

00:47:02.849 –> 00:47:04.349
Anything fun coming up or anything you’re going

00:47:04.349 –> 00:47:06.150
to watch or read or anything like that? Well,

00:47:06.170 –> 00:47:08.969
I forgot today that today is the day we’re supposed

00:47:08.969 –> 00:47:12.530
to be beware of as it’s March 15th. That’s right.

00:47:12.849 –> 00:47:17.750
The eyes of March. The eyes of March. So beware

00:47:17.750 –> 00:47:24.010
of some eyes. Apparently also the book that I’m

00:47:24.010 –> 00:47:26.150
reading, The Morbidly Curious, just coincidentally

00:47:26.150 –> 00:47:28.849
yesterday was talking about that. That’s like

00:47:28.849 –> 00:47:34.449
the. Oldest really recorded conspiracy The eyes

00:47:34.449 –> 00:47:37.510
of March yeah, yeah Caesar yeah, yeah, like I

00:47:37.510 –> 00:47:39.989
guess maybe well recorded it’s something with

00:47:39.989 –> 00:47:41.650
that effect So I thought that was kind of fascinating

00:47:41.650 –> 00:47:45.909
I’ve dropped the ball on scene redux redux Two

00:47:45.909 –> 00:47:49.630
weeks in a row now, so I I do hope to see undertone

00:47:49.630 –> 00:47:52.090
today Yeah, I’d love to check that out. I’m gonna.

00:47:52.090 –> 00:47:54.750
I’m gonna make an effort. I think It’s hard to

00:47:54.750 –> 00:47:56.170
get out of the house with a two -year -old, but

00:47:56.170 –> 00:47:59.809
yeah, I don’t hey bring him Yeah, in fact when

00:47:59.809 –> 00:48:02.829
this when by the way when this drops it’ll be

00:48:02.829 –> 00:48:06.469
my son Ozzy’s birthday in a couple of days So

00:48:06.469 –> 00:48:08.989
Ozzy happy birthday, man. You made it to two

00:48:08.989 –> 00:48:12.710
kept you alive this long the big oh, too. Yeah

00:48:12.710 –> 00:48:16.030
You you you might be the final boy. We don’t

00:48:16.030 –> 00:48:19.969
know Yeah, what about you Taffy are you gonna

00:48:19.969 –> 00:48:25.139
do anything you know, it’s a Yeah, it’s just

00:48:25.139 –> 00:48:26.639
another week, you know trying to survive and

00:48:26.639 –> 00:48:28.000
I think that’s just a horror in general that

00:48:28.000 –> 00:48:31.880
I live with and that’s fun This is incredibly

00:48:31.880 –> 00:48:34.019
cheesy and ridiculous, but you know to st. Patrick’s

00:48:34.019 –> 00:48:36.320
Day So I’ll probably watch the fugitive and maybe

00:48:36.320 –> 00:48:38.659
like a leprechaun movie, which is just terrible

00:48:38.659 –> 00:48:41.980
That’s coming up. Wait a second. Does the fugitive

00:48:41.980 –> 00:48:44.079
take place on st. Patrick’s Day? It’s during

00:48:44.079 –> 00:48:46.690
it. Yeah, cuz he has that Parade and he even

00:48:46.690 –> 00:48:48.630
remember he takes like the hat in the st Patrick’s

00:48:48.630 –> 00:48:50.150
day parade and he puts it on and he like kind

00:48:50.150 –> 00:48:51.929
of maneuvers do it did that happen in both the

00:48:51.929 –> 00:48:53.909
original and the harrison ford one i’ve only

00:48:53.909 –> 00:48:56.650
seen the harrison ford one me too i’m terrible

00:48:56.650 –> 00:49:00.789
i don’t know i feel like the movie god told me

00:49:00.789 –> 00:49:04.710
to kill is st patrick there’s a parade then too

00:49:04.710 –> 00:49:06.690
and andy coffin’s a cop and that very briefly

00:49:06.690 –> 00:49:09.500
nice I’m just going to go out on a limb here

00:49:09.500 –> 00:49:11.480
and say it. St. Patrick’s Day is one of the lamest

00:49:11.480 –> 00:49:14.980
of all holidays. Absolutely. Irish people. No,

00:49:15.079 –> 00:49:16.639
Irish people are fine. But like, that’s the thing

00:49:16.639 –> 00:49:18.659
is like it’s for Irish people and everybody.

00:49:19.059 –> 00:49:23.179
I’m Irish today. It’s you know, it’s it’s what

00:49:23.179 –> 00:49:25.500
we do best here in America. We like to pick and

00:49:25.500 –> 00:49:27.239
choose things and make them our own from other

00:49:27.239 –> 00:49:29.239
cultures and then kick them out and be terrible

00:49:29.239 –> 00:49:31.400
to them. But, you know, totally. I’m not even

00:49:31.400 –> 00:49:34.630
sure. Do people in Ireland? They probably support

00:49:34.630 –> 00:49:36.650
St. Patrick’s Day. I mean, St. Patrick’s Day

00:49:36.650 –> 00:49:38.949
is not what we’ve turned it into here in the

00:49:38.949 –> 00:49:41.429
U .S. We just turned it into a college drinking

00:49:41.429 –> 00:49:45.150
day. The lore was St. Patrick chased out all

00:49:45.150 –> 00:49:46.369
the snakes of Ireland. He drove out all the snakes,

00:49:46.369 –> 00:49:50.530
yeah. And so why aren’t snakes part of our St.

00:49:50.730 –> 00:49:52.610
Patrick’s Day celebration? Well, in that case,

00:49:52.710 –> 00:49:54.829
maybe I’ll watch the Simpsons episode, Whacking

00:49:54.829 –> 00:49:59.239
Day. That’s the only one. Or snakes on a plane.

00:49:59.519 –> 00:50:01.400
That comes close to it. Anaconda, there you go.

00:50:01.739 –> 00:50:04.099
Yeah, no, there should be a St. Patrick’s Day

00:50:04.099 –> 00:50:07.019
horror movie about snakes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Genius.

00:50:07.420 –> 00:50:09.360
We haven’t seen that yet, and that hasn’t been

00:50:09.360 –> 00:50:12.239
exploited. Don’t put that in the episode so we

00:50:12.239 –> 00:50:14.760
can analyze it. You got two films you got to

00:50:14.760 –> 00:50:17.860
write, Peter. Two films from this episode. All

00:50:17.860 –> 00:50:20.000
right. Well, thanks for tuning in. Talk to you

00:50:20.000 –> 00:50:28.030
guys again. Bye. Bye -bye. Okay, that’ll bring

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us to the end of today’s episode of Nightmare

00:50:29.909 –> 00:50:32.250
Logic. We hope you liked our conversation about

00:50:32.250 –> 00:50:34.690
the Queens of Scream. For today’s show notes,

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00:50:44.349 –> 00:50:46.730
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00:50:46.730 –> 00:50:49.289
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