Stop the Side Quests: Joseph Scrimshaw on His Indie Horror Film, Dead Media

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Welcome back to Nightmare Logic, the podcast

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where indie filmmakers come to sacrifice their

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souls to the horror hive mind. We’re your host,

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Christopher Smith, Peter Sawyer, and Taffeta

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Darling. This week, we’re joined by Taffeta’s

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friend and indie horror multi -hyphenate Joseph

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Scrimshaw to discuss his just released horror

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feature, Dead Media. If you like scary movies

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based on physical media, then splice yourself

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in for a nice treat. Did you say splice? I like

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that. All right, welcome back everybody and good

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to see you guys How you been another couple weeks?

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Here we are. It’s guys We were at the end of

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July already, which doesn’t seem real. But here

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we are. I keep waiting for summer to start Yeah,

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it is. Yeah, it is unreal that here. We are Like

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August breathed out our neck Well, uh, so did

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you guys See anything awesome this last couple

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weeks or read anything awesome or anything like

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that? I’ll start because I’m unstoked. I saw

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three movies in a row that I all liked they’re

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all relatively new Nice, so I saw the furious

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if you don’t know what that is it’s a it’s a

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martial arts movie that was in festivals last

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year and actually had a lot of hype and It the

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theaters, but I don’t think it made the splash

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it should have because it was it was awesome

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It’s like two characters come together on the

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same quest to to find Missing loved ones who

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get who’ve been kidnapped and It’s it it gets

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compared to the raid Because it’s the same filmmakers,

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right? No, no It’s not the director was a stunt

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coordinator. So he is kind of like John Wick

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You know, it’s really dialed in but what’s awesome

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about it is it’s like the The fight choreography

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is insane, but so is the camera work and they

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really compliment each other. So it’s, it never

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really gets tedious. Like I like the John Wick

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movies, but sometimes it’s like just violent

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ballet and you know, okay, he’s going to reload

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his gun, you know, empty some bullets in someone,

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kick them in the head, arm bar, blah, blah, blah.

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This it’s like, all right, they grab some crazy

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weapon, break it over someone’s head, snap their

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neck, slide under their legs. The camera is like

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following this person and then it. spins around

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to the next person and doesn’t doesn’t cut like

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it’s really really well orchestrated and then

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each fight sequences in a different area like

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a different building different setting and that

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becomes part like a character of the scene and

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the stakes get crazier and it’s just really earns

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it’s there’s so much attention to detail so I

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cannot recommend that movie enough when you mentioned

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you thought I checked out the trailer and almost

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rented it but Yeah, I mean you could you could

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tell some of that from the from the trailer itself

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that kind of choreography that style and it does

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look pretty impressive It’s it really really

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is and it has a lot of heart like I this story

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I thought was good. There’s there’s some wild

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surprises The villains are great. There’s this

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guy with a bow and arrow. That’s just very menacing

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that I like so it’s it’s a foreign language film

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though, right? Yeah, well some of it’s actually

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in English So it kind of goes back and forth

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It’s but it’s cool. I was just wondering if that

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maybe had a something to do with the box office

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or what I don’t know and it could just be the

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advertising dollars like you know, honestly like

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it sucks, but Just a lot of times success is

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based on how much money you have to market and

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that that’s true And I’ll say the violence also

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I mean you need suspension and disbelief when

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it’s like a one -man army type movie But it never

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really feels quite cartoonish. I mean, there’s

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some stretches of course, but like It’s just

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kind of like a fun, really wild ride that I think

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a lot of people will love. I also saw Evil Dead

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Burn, which I think is a very polarizing film.

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And part of the reason I saw it was I think I

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read an article that’s like, they need to stop

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making Evil Dead movies. And I was like, okay,

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I might actually like this. And the director’s

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French and I think he really just decided to

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trojan horse a French extremity film in the Evil

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Dead franchise, because it’s almost devoid of

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humor and really the slapstick stuff that people

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come to expect. But it has like a really insane

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cold open and just sets the tone and you know

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that the whole thing is going to be like, okay,

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here we go. and nothing’s off limits and it’s

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bleak and it’s it’s all these things that I I

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respect more than I guess I liked the movie just

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because I’m like yeah they they fucking went

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for it and like take no prisoners like kind of

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thing but if you’re like an Evil Dead fan like

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I was at a party and people are like oh man I

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did not like that It’s kind of like, if you look

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at misfit songs and you’re like, okay, hybrid

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moments is the first evil dead movie. And then

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you hear skulls and that’s like the second one.

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And then army of darkness is like the quirky

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one. So that’s brain eaters. And then you get

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to the remake and you’re like, all right, that’s

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a green hell. It’s a little more aggressive and

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then you get to fucking. Evil Dead Rise and that’s

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Earth A .D. even more aggressive and then you

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get to like Hellhound or Blood Feast or something

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and it’s just almost sounds like a different

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band just totally aggressive, devoid of melody,

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just like balls to the walls. So I appreciate

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it. It has a couple flaws in it that I picked

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up on but I enjoyed the ride. I liked the chaos,

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I have to say. But not everyone will and I know

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that. I want to get to the theater and check

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that out. You very well may hate it. I mean,

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look, I think I am generally speaking, I like

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most films. You know, I just put them on sort

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of in a different category. It’s like, oh, like,

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that’s not like a, you know, a work of art as

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much as like that was a hell of a ride kind of

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a thing. Yeah, like I think the experience is

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part of it and the camera work I think is great.

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Like I think it’s really well made. It’s just

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to your taste. Like that’s too far. Oh, I don’t

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like that. And like the characters aren’t necessarily

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all likable, but it’s, it’s a wild ride and it

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does something interesting where it gets exposition

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out of the way immediately. So it doesn’t have

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to like take a timeout later on in the chaos

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to explain something. And I kind of appreciated

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that. So I saw that and and the last thing I

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saw that I wanted to mention is the the faces

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of death movie because I I did kind of have a

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Lower expectations because I didn’t hear that

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much about it, but it it really surprised me.

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I was I was I liked it. It um, it’s by is it

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a hundred percent found footage? Uh, no, no,

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it’s um It’s interesting. It’s it’s this girl

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i’ll give you guys kind of the premise of this.

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It’s a girl who has some trauma from um, uh social

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media thing she shot gone wrong. And so she works

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for like a TikTok or an Instagram and she goes

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through all the submitted videos and flags them

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like, oh, sexual drug content. Oh, it’s fake.

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It’s okay. You know, and she starts seeing these

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ones that are made by the same person that she

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thinks are real. And what it is, is it’s, they’re

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based on the things that were in the original

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faces of death. And so she’s, she learns about

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that. So it’s It’s meta in that sense, but it’s

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not like overly self -aware and the villain in

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it is fantastic Like he really sold it and it’s

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super suspenseful Like it gets to a point where

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I was like, oh shit. This is this is what I live

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for So it’s cool. It was pretty cool I mean you

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might question a couple of her decisions, but

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overall is like it’s a it’s a fun horror ride

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And it’s done by the guys the tea like the director

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did how to blow up a pipeline And I think the

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same writer on that. So, yeah, I was stoked on

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what they did with it. Cool. How about you guys?

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What did you see? Anything? I’m still going through

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the Cape Fear series on Apple TV, which I really

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like. I like the original movies, but I like

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how this one’s a little bit different than both

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of those. um, I don’t know if you guys are watching

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it, but I mean it’s more psychological horror,

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which I like there’s a lot of aspects of it that

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are disturbing that deal with a little bit of

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brainwashing and there’s like some, you know,

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dead animals and there’s some, uh, you know blood

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and people are getting killed, but um, I’m loving,

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uh, the series itself. I like how, um, it differs

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and it’s more morally charged. I think than some

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of the previous iterations of previous movies

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that they had about it to where it focuses more

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on the, the attorneys, the family itself. Um,

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and like how they are pretty much kind of in

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the wrong as well. I mean, cause uh, Javier Javier

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Bourdain plays Max Katie in this one and plays

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them not so much of a stick of like, you know,

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he’s this unhinged crazy person, but he’s a wrongfully

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convicted man, but he’s also fucking bat shit.

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So he’s going to be out there trying to like,

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you know, get his revenge, not just on, you know,

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the attorney, but the attorney and his wife that

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are both, you know, he’s holding, um, responsible

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for his imprisonment, but also it’s trickling

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into like his kids and like, uh, you know, it’s,

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it’s, it’s pretty hardcore in the sense that,

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uh, fear the movie where he like was under the

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bottom of the car. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the Robert

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De Niro one. Yeah. Yeah. I, sorry. I just, that’s

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the only, I saw it a long ass time ago. It’s

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a 1991 where he’s like a tattooed kind of psychopath

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and he’s like, kind of like this, uh, hardcore

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like Bible thumper, but in the series it’s more

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of just someone whose motivation is just by being

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wrongfully convicted rather than being, you know,

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crazy because he’s very like the character in

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the series is very like sexually, you know, charged,

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very charismatic. And so he can kind of command

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people like in a room, you know, that way. And

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he kind of, that’s how he winds up being more

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uh stable than I think some of the past iterations

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of him is because he can command a room because

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he can turn it off and on because his like you

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know psychosis is more aimed towards the family

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and like you know hurting them and like you know

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sending you know like his daughter after them

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and it’s it’s his whole thing I don’t want to

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give too much away but if you’re not watching

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it like it’s a really good psychological thriller

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to where um I guess my only like Not complaint,

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but criticism if I have any, you know right to

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criticize people on Apple TV It seems like a

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little long like 10 10 episodes seems very long

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for you know, a novelization or a movie that

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was two hours told previously But I don’t think

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it suffers from it. I think there’s parts where

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I just kind of want to hurry up and know what

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the next thing is going to be and they’re just

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kind of dragging it out. So I guess maybe that

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plays into the suspense. Right. But yeah, that’s

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the main thing that I’m following that I guess

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it’s kind of a good psychological horror and

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then silo. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I have a question

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about it. Yeah. Because I really want to see

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it. I watched the original for the first time

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like a year or so ago and was, I mean, it’s in

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the De Niro one. Does it use the score from the

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movie? Like, do you recall that? I don’t know

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if it uses a score from the movie or if it has

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that theme because I can barely recall the 1991

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theme, but it’s a very it is a very An anxiety

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inducing. It’s very an anticipate anticipation

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Well the the score I will say when I watched

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the like the original when I remembered it from

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the denier one It is like ominous. It’s like

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heavy heavy metal riff before metal was a thing

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like it’s just like a low bass like All right.

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This is going to be some shit like it’s yeah

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I mean it definitely sets the same but I don’t

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know if it’s going to be on that level that’s

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going to be uh like like the the 91 movie but

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it definitely has like its ominous like soundtrack

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and I think that helps build with like the the

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chaos and the the uncertainty of it because at

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this point like you don’t really know who’s gonna

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make it and who’s gonna die because everyone’s

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kind of like on his chopping block so I think

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it does a good job with the with the theme And

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Javier Bardem, like from No Country and Old Men,

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like it totally makes sense for him to play a

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role like that. So yeah, it is, it’s been on

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my list to actually dig into that. Yeah. I’d

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like to see it too. But actually I finally renewed

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my Apple Plus subscription and dug back into

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Widows Bay, which I don’t need to retread that

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for like the third or fourth time on this series,

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or on this podcast, but it’s great. Still going

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good. And then we also stick with Apple Plus.

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My fiance and I were watching Pluribus and then

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we took a break for some reason, not intentional

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even, but we came back and we’ve kind of been

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finishing up the series now and it’s getting

00:13:02.330 –> 00:13:04.970
good. So yeah, they really know how to make a

00:13:04.970 –> 00:13:07.610
good series over there at Apple. Yeah, yeah,

00:13:07.610 –> 00:13:10.929
it’s easily my favorite streaming service. It’s

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the only one that I continuously pay for. I juggle

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a lot of them, but I keep that one going, because

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there’s always something that’s out between Silo

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or The Shrinking or For All Mankind or for Widows

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Bay or for Cape Fear, like Apple here was saying,

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we love you. Yeah, nice. And you were watching

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Silo too, I think you were about to say. Oh,

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yeah. Yeah. Silo three, uh, season three just

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started and that’s more like sci -fi as opposed

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to horror. There’s really nothing like horror,

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uh, gory about it except for just like the horrors

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of it being a dystopian future to where like

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you are trapped as a civilian in a, you know,

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a civilization in a silo, um, where the corrupt,

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uh, people at the top are pulling all the strings

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and people are trying to unravel and figure out

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like what’s true and what’s not. So that’s kind

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of scary, but it’s a little too on the nose sometimes.

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So. That’s the real horror people. Perfect film

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for our times. Yeah. So today we’re going to

00:14:07.250 –> 00:14:09.070
try something a little different. Um, we all

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brought kind of a couple of things that we’d

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like to talk about, uh, either news or current

00:14:13.149 –> 00:14:15.629
events or, or just interesting things that you

00:14:15.629 –> 00:14:18.850
guys might want to be aware of. Uh, kicking it

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off, I thought that probably maybe not the most

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interesting, but probably the most significant

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news kind of in the, in industry in its entirety

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is about the Paramount Warner Brothers merger.

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And there’s been some updates in that. So I just

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wanted to talk about that for a second and see

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if you guys have any thoughts on it. It’s been

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a while since we’ve talked about it. And since

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then on June 12th, the U S department of justice

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antitrust division officially approved the transaction,

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which is not a surprise, uh, given that, you

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know, the, uh, uh, what’s, uh, David, David Ellison’s

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like, uh, and the Ellison family is a big supporter

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of Trump and it just seemed like, you know, they

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were doing all the right things to get up. approved

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but since then the day after that on sorry a

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month later on July 13th a coalition of 12 states

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attorneys general led by California sued to stop

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the merger based on several grounds including

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it violates the Clayton Act of 1914 by Consolidate

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Control over Hollywood’s major film studios,

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basic cable channels, and streaming services.

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And they argue that the deal would unlawfully

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extinguish competition, raise prices for consumers,

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and harm industry workers. I also heard that

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SAG initiated their own lawsuit. I think it’s

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a separate lawsuit to this one about it hurting

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the actors that they represent, their prospects

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for work, and things like that. July 20th, which

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was yesterday or today, today, technically it

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was last night, I think, but today a federal

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judge orders the companies to, has ordered the

00:16:02.149 –> 00:16:05.009
companies to pause the merger until, you know,

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these lawsuits make their way through courts.

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Basically saying that if it goes any further,

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the lawsuit will be completed to a degree that

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it’d be hard to undo. And so that’s an emergency

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injunction until the cases see themselves out,

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which could be. several months from what I understand.

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But why are we talking about this? Why does this

00:16:23.279 –> 00:16:27.480
matter to independent filmmakers? Well, studios

00:16:27.480 –> 00:16:31.639
largely control most of the distribution of theatrical

00:16:31.639 –> 00:16:34.860
films and television. So there are less and less

00:16:34.860 –> 00:16:37.720
pathways for people like us who like to make

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things or want to make things have to either

00:16:43.139 –> 00:16:50.169
pitch and make a studio film or On the backside,

00:16:50.289 –> 00:16:52.789
if we make an indie film, have distribution channels

00:16:52.789 –> 00:16:55.070
to sell it to. And the lesser than there are,

00:16:55.289 –> 00:16:56.730
the less competition there are, the less you’re

00:16:56.730 –> 00:16:58.850
going to hear about bidding wars at film festivals

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and the less you’re actually going to even see

00:17:02.409 –> 00:17:04.549
indie films being made. Because when there isn’t

00:17:04.549 –> 00:17:07.250
that trustworthy distribution ecosystem that

00:17:07.250 –> 00:17:09.650
there used to be, there are less options to distribute

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it. And therefore it’s a lot harder to raise

00:17:11.549 –> 00:17:15.009
money to make indie films. So that’s why it’s

00:17:15.009 –> 00:17:17.980
pretty concerning. for us indie filmmakers, but

00:17:17.980 –> 00:17:19.720
what about audiences? Cause it’s actually bad

00:17:19.720 –> 00:17:22.940
for you as well, because consolidation means

00:17:22.940 –> 00:17:25.099
less choice. Cinefiles will have less films to

00:17:25.099 –> 00:17:27.940
watch and a greater homogeneity of the projects

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that are released because they’re always going

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to go with what’s safe when they’re a big studio.

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So that’s why we’re going to see a lot of, you

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know, like, like how, you know, Marvel films,

00:17:38.759 –> 00:17:40.460
you know, had a bunch of big hits and then they

00:17:40.460 –> 00:17:42.079
started making tons of them. That’s the kind

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of thing we can expect to see when you have these

00:17:44.579 –> 00:17:47.950
kinds of mergers. You also have less films to

00:17:47.950 –> 00:17:50.109
watch overall because when there are less companies,

00:17:50.309 –> 00:17:52.430
less competition, they’re not going to make as

00:17:52.430 –> 00:17:58.509
many films. And there are also going to be less

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people who control the overall fate of the industry.

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So like, let’s say we, they don’t like the idea

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of putting their films in theaters or to rather

00:18:07.029 –> 00:18:08.269
instead of straight to streaming, which we’re

00:18:08.269 –> 00:18:11.839
already seeing. Well, Who you know, there’s no

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competition there to kind of encourage them to

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keep that up and they and they really can kind

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of like push around other distributors and and

00:18:19.319 –> 00:18:21.980
other Producers and production companies and

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things like that. So that could be fairly problematic

00:18:24.819 –> 00:18:27.680
And then of course the larger society problem.

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Why is it a problem for that? Well, they’re consolidating

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all of the news media under You know one umbrella

00:18:34.059 –> 00:18:38.319
or, you know, a few umbrellas rather. And so

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it’s really easy to shut out opinions and voices

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out of, you know, particularly different political

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opinions from being heard or being platformed.

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And you’ve already seen this with, you know,

00:18:50.980 –> 00:18:55.859
things like the Washington Post who basically

00:18:55.859 –> 00:18:59.480
Bezos essentially gutted their whole op -ed department

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to put in people who, and commanded them essentially

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to only write about free markets and essentially

00:19:07.460 –> 00:19:10.059
things that benefit him and also don’t make him

00:19:10.059 –> 00:19:11.640
uncomfortable when he’s trying to wheel and deal

00:19:11.640 –> 00:19:15.180
with, you know, the federal government. And then

00:19:15.180 –> 00:19:17.339
you also see with Colbert in 60 minutes and sort

00:19:17.339 –> 00:19:19.619
of like what’s happened with CBS. That was a

00:19:19.619 –> 00:19:22.079
bit of a long diatribe, but I think I want to

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kind of underscore why this is important for

00:19:24.640 –> 00:19:27.559
those who might not know and why it’s also important

00:19:27.559 –> 00:19:29.660
for us to kind of like, you know, bring up and

00:19:29.660 –> 00:19:32.690
discuss what it is relevant. Um, so that’s the

00:19:32.690 –> 00:19:35.390
major update there, you know, watch this space,

00:19:35.890 –> 00:19:39.450
see what happens next. So it’s just, there, there

00:19:39.450 –> 00:19:43.009
isn’t like news as of, it’s just that these lawsuits

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have been filed. So people are fighting back

00:19:44.789 –> 00:19:46.289
against it. Well, the big news and the reason

00:19:46.289 –> 00:19:48.509
I want to talk about it was that today the judge

00:19:48.509 –> 00:19:50.250
put the injunction in place. So right now the

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merger is on hold, but only until these court

00:19:53.549 –> 00:19:56.750
cases get resolved. And I’ve heard some experts

00:19:56.750 –> 00:19:59.650
talk about it being kind of like a 50 50 chance

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on the. at least on the, like, the state’s claims.

00:20:05.039 –> 00:20:07.420
And honestly, a lot of that’s going to probably

00:20:07.420 –> 00:20:10.380
come down to which judges hear it. And it’ll

00:20:10.380 –> 00:20:12.319
probably make its way to the Supreme Court. And

00:20:12.319 –> 00:20:14.980
if it does, let’s be honest here, they’re probably

00:20:14.980 –> 00:20:17.960
going to ultimately approve it because that’s

00:20:17.960 –> 00:20:19.079
just the way the political winds are blowing

00:20:19.079 –> 00:20:22.700
these days. My thoughts on this are like, well,

00:20:22.720 –> 00:20:26.880
fuck that. But I think… the way the news is,

00:20:27.140 –> 00:20:29.359
it’s like everyone I know does not get their

00:20:29.359 –> 00:20:32.759
news from the, you know, typical news places,

00:20:32.980 –> 00:20:36.259
right? You go on social media and you find independent,

00:20:36.599 –> 00:20:39.980
like people talking the real shit. And I think

00:20:39.980 –> 00:20:43.380
that that would happen with films. I think people

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would be like, are you going to put out these

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safe, you know, franchise? It would just… Stuff

00:20:48.069 –> 00:20:50.930
that we’re already sick of and other people will

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find that, you know, put up money to be like,

00:20:53.269 –> 00:20:56.150
fuck that. Let’s, let’s make crazy shit as like

00:20:56.150 –> 00:20:58.529
a response and people will support the stuff

00:20:58.529 –> 00:21:01.029
that’s outside the system because that’s how

00:21:01.029 –> 00:21:05.509
we do. Right. Like that’s, I mean, I agree with

00:21:05.509 –> 00:21:08.930
that. Yeah. I think you’re right. I just wonder

00:21:08.930 –> 00:21:11.589
about the scale. You know, there’s always going

00:21:11.589 –> 00:21:13.549
to be a certain self -selecting group of people

00:21:13.549 –> 00:21:16.710
that are probably roughly around 30%. If I were

00:21:16.710 –> 00:21:19.240
guessing. that will go out of the way to seek

00:21:19.240 –> 00:21:21.519
out things, but it’s kind of the like mainstream,

00:21:21.519 –> 00:21:26.900
you know, part of the people who might not seek

00:21:26.900 –> 00:21:29.640
those things out and might just be, um, but,

00:21:29.640 –> 00:21:31.400
but Peter, I think what you’re saying is interesting

00:21:31.400 –> 00:21:35.259
because I think history shows us that when there’s

00:21:35.259 –> 00:21:38.519
consolidations, when it’s possible, there are

00:21:38.519 –> 00:21:41.720
become other, other things will kind of like

00:21:41.720 –> 00:21:44.640
rise to feel the, the, fill the vacuum that’s

00:21:44.640 –> 00:21:47.069
left behind and So I’m really hoping that that

00:21:47.069 –> 00:21:49.650
is going to be the case with indie film and indie

00:21:49.650 –> 00:21:53.309
film distribution, because we need it, honestly,

00:21:53.369 –> 00:21:56.609
and our culture needs it. But it is, you know,

00:21:56.609 –> 00:21:58.289
there’s some hurdles because films are expensive

00:21:58.289 –> 00:22:02.470
to make. It’s hard to break into a crowded media

00:22:02.470 –> 00:22:05.190
landscape these days. Like there’s so much noise

00:22:05.190 –> 00:22:07.109
and breaking through that noise is really difficult.

00:22:07.430 –> 00:22:10.069
I had another thought based on something I saw

00:22:10.069 –> 00:22:12.210
earlier today that this was just randomly in

00:22:12.210 –> 00:22:15.240
my algorithm. And it was Davey from AFI talking

00:22:15.240 –> 00:22:17.900
about when AFI signed to a major label. And he

00:22:17.900 –> 00:22:20.440
was like, yeah, normally it would be, you know,

00:22:20.440 –> 00:22:23.700
this label wants to mold us into something. This

00:22:23.700 –> 00:22:25.299
label is like, do what you want, blah, blah,

00:22:25.339 –> 00:22:28.059
blah. But he’s like, every label was like, yeah,

00:22:28.059 –> 00:22:29.579
we don’t, we just want you to do your thing,

00:22:29.619 –> 00:22:32.380
which made it very hard for them to choose something.

00:22:32.759 –> 00:22:36.420
And so what I’m thinking is like, so the, the

00:22:36.420 –> 00:22:38.619
Curry Baker or Barkers, I’ve always screwed up

00:22:38.619 –> 00:22:41.059
his name, the Cain Parsons, all the, all these

00:22:41.059 –> 00:22:45.039
like up and comers. the studios like probably

00:22:45.039 –> 00:22:46.759
are just gonna do that be like yeah make your

00:22:46.759 –> 00:22:49.480
thing because it made money even if it’s this

00:22:49.480 –> 00:22:52.619
merger but it makes the barrier entry much harder

00:22:52.619 –> 00:22:54.900
for the rest of us but i think they and they

00:22:54.900 –> 00:22:56.579
might not care about they’re like as long as

00:22:56.579 –> 00:22:57.819
it makes money i don’t care what you’re putting

00:22:57.819 –> 00:23:00.819
out unless it goes against my politics maybe

00:23:00.819 –> 00:23:03.359
yeah and i mean we’ve already seen the politics

00:23:03.359 –> 00:23:06.119
thing you know on just like netflix and things

00:23:06.119 –> 00:23:09.160
over the years because they’ve stopped basically

00:23:09.160 –> 00:23:14.009
releasing Most controversial independent documentaries

00:23:14.009 –> 00:23:16.390
because they don’t want to they have to do business

00:23:16.390 –> 00:23:18.210
in every country around the world So, you know,

00:23:18.210 –> 00:23:20.029
they’re not gonna release a film about Taiwan

00:23:20.029 –> 00:23:22.230
because you know, they’re gonna get blowback

00:23:22.230 –> 00:23:25.690
from China or whatever And you know changing

00:23:25.690 –> 00:23:27.849
the patches on the top gun uniforms when they

00:23:27.849 –> 00:23:30.049
release that because they had a Taiwan patch

00:23:30.049 –> 00:23:31.690
on there stuff like that You know, we already

00:23:31.690 –> 00:23:33.470
seeing it, right? There’s actually a really interesting

00:23:33.470 –> 00:23:35.109
book that I haven’t read but I heard an interview

00:23:35.109 –> 00:23:38.269
with the author on NPR called riding the dragon,

00:23:38.509 –> 00:23:41.529
which is all about particularly media and the

00:23:41.529 –> 00:23:43.869
sort of Faustian bargain that these places are

00:23:43.869 –> 00:23:46.950
doing with with places like China. So that’s

00:23:46.950 –> 00:23:50.309
interesting. But yeah, I mean, let’s cross our

00:23:50.309 –> 00:23:51.950
fingers for what you’re saying, Peter. I really

00:23:51.950 –> 00:23:54.269
hope this creates a vibrant kind of more indie

00:23:54.269 –> 00:23:58.150
underground ecosystem for distribution and we

00:23:58.150 –> 00:24:00.640
don’t have to rely on. These bigger streaming

00:24:00.640 –> 00:24:03.160
platforms for distribution because yeah I mean

00:24:03.160 –> 00:24:05.420
so one of them is gonna go rogue to be like fuck

00:24:05.420 –> 00:24:07.299
that and they’re it’s gonna pay off for them

00:24:07.299 –> 00:24:09.279
because everyone will support it because it’s

00:24:09.279 –> 00:24:12.859
not part of the system Like that’s funny how

00:24:12.859 –> 00:24:14.819
we landed here because we wanted to not be part

00:24:14.819 –> 00:24:16.920
of the system We didn’t want to have cable. We

00:24:16.920 –> 00:24:18.759
didn’t want to pay for cable as its system and

00:24:18.759 –> 00:24:21.440
now we wanted everything a la carte and then

00:24:21.440 –> 00:24:23.900
the Distribution and all the companies were like,

00:24:24.140 –> 00:24:26.099
oh you do yet and now we’re essentially paying

00:24:26.099 –> 00:24:28.779
cable for like different channels and stuff.

00:24:28.799 –> 00:24:34.799
So It’s good until it isn’t. Another thing I

00:24:34.799 –> 00:24:37.420
forgot to mention, but I had a note of, is it

00:24:37.420 –> 00:24:40.400
actually will probably result in rising prices

00:24:40.400 –> 00:24:42.420
for streaming platforms, because when you have

00:24:42.420 –> 00:24:47.000
less competition… That’ll also result in rising

00:24:47.000 –> 00:24:52.200
piracy. That’s how you fight back, honestly.

00:24:53.480 –> 00:24:55.759
That’s right. Feel this movie, everybody. Yeah,

00:24:56.240 –> 00:25:00.730
the punk rock thing of it. Um, fuck. Well, moving

00:25:00.730 –> 00:25:05.430
on to the next topic here. So we all know, are

00:25:05.430 –> 00:25:09.890
aware, this is July 20th. So this past weekend,

00:25:10.069 –> 00:25:13.509
the Odyssey dropped and people are basically

00:25:13.509 –> 00:25:16.130
losing their minds, it seems. Well, this isn’t

00:25:16.130 –> 00:25:18.589
like horror. I feel like it’s adjacent enough

00:25:18.589 –> 00:25:22.309
to maybe talk about real quick. And it is pretty

00:25:22.309 –> 00:25:25.710
incredible to see what’s happened. It’s been

00:25:25.710 –> 00:25:29.690
a big financial and critical success. and Christopher

00:25:29.690 –> 00:25:33.230
Nolan’s film. The Odyssey grossed 140 million

00:25:33.230 –> 00:25:36.609
domestically and 264 million globally in its

00:25:36.609 –> 00:25:38.009
opening weekend, which is an insane amount of

00:25:38.009 –> 00:25:41.329
money. And it’s actually more than Oppenheimer

00:25:41.329 –> 00:25:43.910
during that whole Barbenheimer thing a few years

00:25:43.910 –> 00:25:48.730
ago. It arrived in theaters. This is actually

00:25:48.730 –> 00:25:51.190
Hollywood’s best summer since 2019, which is

00:25:51.190 –> 00:25:53.269
really good news for the film industry. Ticket

00:25:53.269 –> 00:25:57.259
sales are running about 10%, 10 .4%. ahead of

00:25:57.259 –> 00:26:00.240
last year at this time. And they’re expecting

00:26:00.240 –> 00:26:04.720
it to be the first $10 billion year at the box

00:26:04.720 –> 00:26:08.180
office since the pandemic hit. So it sounds like

00:26:08.180 –> 00:26:09.940
we’re maybe clawing our way back out of this,

00:26:10.059 –> 00:26:12.859
but I would like to say and point out that a

00:26:12.859 –> 00:26:16.079
lot of that box office, those numbers are being

00:26:16.079 –> 00:26:18.299
driven by horror films. And that’s really exciting

00:26:18.299 –> 00:26:22.009
to see. It also is enjoying a, you know, fairly

00:26:22.009 –> 00:26:24.990
widespread acclaim. It’s got about a 95 % on

00:26:24.990 –> 00:26:28.509
Rotten Tomatoes on both critics and viewers.

00:26:29.170 –> 00:26:32.609
It’s got slightly less of 89 on Metacritic and

00:26:32.609 –> 00:26:36.109
4 .4 out of 5 on Letterboxd. So people seem to

00:26:36.109 –> 00:26:38.549
be really liking it. But what I really want to

00:26:38.549 –> 00:26:40.349
talk about or what I think is possibly the most

00:26:40.349 –> 00:26:43.569
interesting angle is that it’s being broadcast

00:26:43.569 –> 00:26:46.589
in select theaters around the country in 70 millimeter

00:26:46.589 –> 00:26:50.029
print film, which I think it’s the first time

00:26:50.029 –> 00:26:52.250
to do that in a while because I believe they

00:26:52.250 –> 00:26:55.910
had to like actually either build or totally

00:26:55.910 –> 00:27:01.890
like restore some of the old 70 millimeter projectors.

00:27:01.970 –> 00:27:03.710
And that was apparently something that they had

00:27:03.710 –> 00:27:05.589
to do, you know, having the works for a while

00:27:05.589 –> 00:27:08.529
to be able to exhibit these prints. And that’s

00:27:08.529 –> 00:27:09.970
pretty exciting. And we are lucky that we have

00:27:09.970 –> 00:27:13.009
a few of those locations here in LA. Hopefully

00:27:13.009 –> 00:27:15.730
those listening around. the U S in the world,

00:27:15.730 –> 00:27:17.470
uh, have somewhere close to them. They go check

00:27:17.470 –> 00:27:19.269
it out. If they’re a big fan of physical media,

00:27:19.910 –> 00:27:22.309
as you, uh, we will talk about with our guests

00:27:22.309 –> 00:27:25.150
today. What’s also interesting about that is

00:27:25.150 –> 00:27:26.789
that they’ve been, they were selling tickets

00:27:26.789 –> 00:27:29.369
for those screenings of IMAX and the 70 millimeter

00:27:29.369 –> 00:27:32.730
a year in advance, which is pretty uncommon for

00:27:32.730 –> 00:27:36.289
films. And it was so successful, like just to

00:27:36.289 –> 00:27:38.670
paint a picture of how successful it was. I actually

00:27:38.670 –> 00:27:40.690
was thinking about watching it before we recorded

00:27:40.690 –> 00:27:43.819
this. So I And then I was thinking about this

00:27:43.819 –> 00:27:45.640
on Saturday. So I started looking at all the

00:27:45.640 –> 00:27:48.960
screenings and they actually added 7 a .m. screenings

00:27:48.960 –> 00:27:52.980
of the 70 millimeter prints at both the Chinese

00:27:52.980 –> 00:27:55.799
Groom and Theater and I believe they’re showing

00:27:55.799 –> 00:28:00.019
it at one of the AMC’s as well. And those 7 a

00:28:00.019 –> 00:28:02.200
.m. screenings were almost sold out minus like

00:28:02.200 –> 00:28:06.859
the first row, which is bananas. Yeah. So I think

00:28:06.859 –> 00:28:09.539
that’s really good news. But it’s been so successful

00:28:09.539 –> 00:28:14.460
that actually both The new sorry dune part three

00:28:14.460 –> 00:28:16.740
and the new avengers movies are both already

00:28:16.740 –> 00:28:19.259
pre -selling tickets for their releases which

00:28:19.259 –> 00:28:23.119
come around Christmas and You know Disney as

00:28:23.119 –> 00:28:26.440
an aside Because they’re coming out on the same

00:28:26.440 –> 00:28:29.759
day Disney can’t do an IMAX because they’re exclusive

00:28:29.759 –> 00:28:32.940
release dates for Films that do it so they’re

00:28:32.940 –> 00:28:36.240
branding their own version of IMAX or widescreen

00:28:36.380 –> 00:28:38.440
Theatrical presentation and then they’re calling

00:28:38.440 –> 00:28:43.180
it Dismax infinity vision Which must be linked

00:28:43.180 –> 00:28:45.740
to the Avengers I would imagine so that’s something

00:28:45.740 –> 00:28:48.960
to look forward to See the success of how these

00:28:48.960 –> 00:28:52.519
pre -sale things are going So here a couple of

00:28:52.519 –> 00:28:54.420
things about the Odyssey So I was randomly had

00:28:54.420 –> 00:28:56.599
to look for something paperwork and I found a

00:28:56.599 –> 00:28:59.599
ninth grade paper that I wrote about death and

00:28:59.599 –> 00:29:02.839
it referenced Their eyes were watching God and

00:29:02.839 –> 00:29:05.480
the Odyssey But I like didn’t want to read it

00:29:05.480 –> 00:29:07.480
the I don’t remember much about the Odyssey I

00:29:07.480 –> 00:29:08.880
remember certain things but I was like I don’t

00:29:08.880 –> 00:29:10.440
read this I don’t spoil it because I do want

00:29:10.440 –> 00:29:12.859
to see the movie but the irony of this and we

00:29:12.859 –> 00:29:15.920
know Christopher Nolan is listening to this so

00:29:15.920 –> 00:29:19.579
Christopher listen up You made a three -hour

00:29:19.579 –> 00:29:22.240
movie with no intermission people have bladders

00:29:22.240 –> 00:29:26.079
man like this honestly like did you time the

00:29:26.079 –> 00:29:28.059
worst scene in the movie right at the perfect

00:29:28.059 –> 00:29:30.500
time to go to the bathroom because like, I don’t

00:29:30.500 –> 00:29:32.200
want to go see a three hour movie if I got to

00:29:32.200 –> 00:29:34.500
go piss because I’m going to have to piss. And

00:29:34.500 –> 00:29:36.359
like, therefore I’m going to wait for it to stream

00:29:36.359 –> 00:29:39.279
so I can pause it in thing. Like, seriously,

00:29:39.299 –> 00:29:40.960
if you’re making something over two and a half

00:29:40.960 –> 00:29:44.460
hours, put an intermission in it. Think of the

00:29:44.460 –> 00:29:48.099
people. No one’s like, if I love this movie,

00:29:48.099 –> 00:29:50.000
it’s not getting five stars because there’s no

00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:52.160
intermission. I have a friend who lives in Europe

00:29:52.160 –> 00:29:57.630
and This came up over DMs like this week and

00:29:57.630 –> 00:29:59.890
she was saying that in Europe they all the moves

00:29:59.890 –> 00:30:03.170
have intermissions and I was like I as an as

00:30:03.170 –> 00:30:07.150
an aging an elder millennial with a Growing weaker

00:30:07.150 –> 00:30:09.950
bladder by the day. I would much appreciate that

00:30:09.950 –> 00:30:12.210
Yeah, it makes me not want to get any sort of

00:30:12.210 –> 00:30:13.829
snacks or anything It’s like if it’s gonna be

00:30:13.829 –> 00:30:16.329
three hours and I’m not gonna spend like my usual

00:30:16.329 –> 00:30:20.980
like drinks and stuff at the Concessions. Yeah,

00:30:21.420 –> 00:30:22.920
because I’m going to be worried about going to

00:30:22.920 –> 00:30:27.160
be I’ve I’ve had this this intercession or intermission

00:30:27.160 –> 00:30:29.980
beef with movies ever Like for a couple years

00:30:29.980 –> 00:30:31.700
now because they keep getting longer and I’m

00:30:31.700 –> 00:30:34.599
just like, come on man, like some break I mean

00:30:34.599 –> 00:30:37.440
the ticket sales are gonna say like oh people

00:30:37.440 –> 00:30:40.319
don’t care about intermissions But I’m speaking

00:30:40.319 –> 00:30:43.460
on behalf of the humans among amongst us that

00:30:43.460 –> 00:30:46.160
have bladders Well, he’s also like a film purist.

00:30:46.160 –> 00:30:50.129
So you would I could imagine him being like Reluctant,

00:30:50.129 –> 00:30:55.170
you know He’s got a bladder like Does he never

00:30:55.170 –> 00:30:58.549
I wonder if in their test screenings they ever

00:30:58.549 –> 00:31:00.089
pause to go to the bathroom because that would

00:31:00.089 –> 00:31:02.069
be That’s what I’m gonna do if I’m ever in a

00:31:02.069 –> 00:31:03.930
test screening with a movie that’s that’s long

00:31:03.930 –> 00:31:06.730
I’m gonna be like make a fucking intermission

00:31:06.730 –> 00:31:08.829
because I don’t see long movies in the theater

00:31:08.829 –> 00:31:12.789
anymore Intentionally, that’s this is my hot

00:31:12.789 –> 00:31:16.210
take on trouble with the cause Peter Sawyer I

00:31:16.210 –> 00:31:19.019
was speaking for the silent majority, man Yeah,

00:31:19.099 –> 00:31:21.359
well not so silent anymore. I think I will love

00:31:21.359 –> 00:31:24.359
this movie, but I in principle I hate the fact

00:31:24.359 –> 00:31:26.920
that there’s no intermission I feel that you

00:31:26.920 –> 00:31:28.839
know, and I just give it up and I started like

00:31:28.839 –> 00:31:32.259
just go to the bathroom and and like and you

00:31:32.259 –> 00:31:36.299
know if I need to and You know either all If

00:31:36.299 –> 00:31:37.660
I really feel like I missed something I’ll check

00:31:37.660 –> 00:31:39.960
it on streaming when it comes out But generally

00:31:39.960 –> 00:31:42.680
honestly, I feel like it hasn’t been that big

00:31:42.680 –> 00:31:45.839
of a problem Well, man, like when you go to bed,

00:31:45.900 –> 00:31:47.559
how many times you wake up in the middle of the

00:31:47.559 –> 00:31:50.380
night to piss your bed your sleep It has a damn

00:31:50.380 –> 00:31:52.700
intermission. I mean, it depends on how much

00:31:52.700 –> 00:31:55.779
I drank the night before, Peter. I always do,

00:31:56.000 –> 00:31:59.579
it’s brutal. Alright, that’s my rant. Yeah, that’s

00:31:59.579 –> 00:32:02.200
a good one. It was a good rant. For my last topic

00:32:02.200 –> 00:32:04.539
I wanted to bring up, I came across a trailer

00:32:04.539 –> 00:32:07.660
for a movie called Don’t Move and there’s nothing

00:32:07.660 –> 00:32:10.920
particularly special about this that I chose

00:32:10.920 –> 00:32:12.799
it, other than I watched the trailer and I kind

00:32:12.799 –> 00:32:14.240
of enjoyed it. I think I’m going to enjoy the

00:32:14.240 –> 00:32:17.180
movie. And so I thought, you know, let’s talk

00:32:17.180 –> 00:32:19.900
about it because it’s not an obvious one. This

00:32:19.900 –> 00:32:22.940
is directed by McLean Nelson, who, as far as

00:32:22.940 –> 00:32:26.160
I could see on his IMDB, has mostly just done

00:32:26.160 –> 00:32:28.460
a lot of TV movies. Like I’m thinking like Hallmark

00:32:28.460 –> 00:32:32.519
style, it seems like. But it’s written by James

00:32:32.519 –> 00:32:37.859
Murray and also McLean Nelson and Darren Wearmouth.

00:32:38.859 –> 00:32:43.519
It’s also based on a novel by James Murray. And

00:32:43.519 –> 00:32:47.599
so James Murray is a producer and actor who’s

00:32:47.599 –> 00:32:50.799
primarily known for impractical jokers. You know

00:32:50.799 –> 00:32:53.619
that, but he was also had parts in like 12 Monkeys

00:32:53.619 –> 00:32:57.359
and The Awakened and some things like that. It

00:32:57.359 –> 00:33:03.400
stars Lindsay Francesca, my bad, who was a kick

00:33:03.400 –> 00:33:07.859
-ass in Nikita, Russ Vitale, Rob Riggle from

00:33:07.859 –> 00:33:11.460
The Hangover, and has a surprise appearance from

00:33:11.460 –> 00:33:14.700
T -Pain. So that’s interesting. And Tom Cavanaugh,

00:33:14.799 –> 00:33:16.420
which is kind of random to have thrown in the

00:33:16.420 –> 00:33:18.059
mix there too, because he hasn’t really been

00:33:18.059 –> 00:33:20.539
doing much, except for he did some stuff on the

00:33:20.539 –> 00:33:25.200
WB series of The Flash. So welcome back to the

00:33:25.200 –> 00:33:28.859
big screen, Tom Cavanaugh. Good job. Yeah. So

00:33:28.859 –> 00:33:33.319
the synopsis is a giant mutated spider traps

00:33:33.319 –> 00:33:35.500
a group of strangers in its web -covered lair,

00:33:35.500 –> 00:33:38.200
forcing them into a desperate, desperate fight

00:33:38.200 –> 00:33:40.299
for survival where making the wrong move could

00:33:40.299 –> 00:33:45.339
be their last. So it’s basically, you know, a

00:33:45.339 –> 00:33:49.619
horror monster survival film about giant spiders,

00:33:49.839 –> 00:33:52.380
which let’s be honest, giant spiders live, run

00:33:52.380 –> 00:33:55.519
free in our minds, probably for everybody. So

00:33:55.519 –> 00:33:57.740
it’s got to be a great one. And again, that comes

00:33:57.740 –> 00:34:00.160
out on September 11th. And go check out the trailer.

00:34:00.160 –> 00:34:03.680
It’ll be up on the show notes. Feel like they’re

00:34:03.680 –> 00:34:06.220
we’re gonna go through Every don’t because there

00:34:06.220 –> 00:34:08.219
was like don’t breathe. There was something else.

00:34:08.219 –> 00:34:11.639
It wasn’t don’t move, you know Yeah, don’t be

00:34:11.639 –> 00:34:13.380
something like there’s just gonna be go through

00:34:13.380 –> 00:34:16.380
everything But hey, I mean that title makes sense

00:34:16.380 –> 00:34:18.380
for like I was like curious because I didn’t

00:34:18.380 –> 00:34:20.699
get a chance to watch the Trailer like don’t

00:34:20.699 –> 00:34:22.719
don’t move. But yeah, if you’re on a spiderweb,

00:34:22.920 –> 00:34:24.480
that’s the last thing you probably want to do

00:34:24.480 –> 00:34:27.260
right, right, right Yeah, well check out to the

00:34:27.260 –> 00:34:29.579
trailer. It’s got some Seems like it’s gonna

00:34:29.579 –> 00:34:32.920
have a lot of like Gore and jump scares and you

00:34:32.920 –> 00:34:37.019
know all the juicy saliva mandible looking stuff

00:34:37.019 –> 00:34:43.880
Do you know what kind of spider it is is it like

00:34:43.880 –> 00:34:46.519
a sleek black widow looking thing tarantula They

00:34:46.519 –> 00:34:48.599
don’t reveal a lot in the trailer or the poster,

00:34:48.739 –> 00:34:50.559
but the poster is also really dope I might actually

00:34:50.559 –> 00:34:52.880
put that in the show notes, too I’ll look that

00:34:52.880 –> 00:34:55.639
up, but it looks like maybe like a not based

00:34:55.639 –> 00:34:59.760
on a real species, but I see monster spider so

00:34:59.949 –> 00:35:02.730
Cool. So Taffeta, what do you want to talk about?

00:35:03.849 –> 00:35:05.130
Just a couple of cool things that are coming

00:35:05.130 –> 00:35:08.110
out in the comic side. We finally get a debut

00:35:08.110 –> 00:35:11.179
and a legit. um, graphic novel, uh, his first

00:35:11.179 –> 00:35:13.480
ever from John Carpenter. Um, it’s gonna be cathedrals

00:35:13.480 –> 00:35:15.619
coming out on August the 4th. Um, it’s gonna

00:35:15.619 –> 00:35:18.219
be put under the Storm King comics, which is,

00:35:18.219 –> 00:35:20.320
you know, partly his company, but it’s also ran

00:35:20.320 –> 00:35:22.780
by the legend Sandy King herself, which is his

00:35:22.780 –> 00:35:25.179
partner, his wife. Uh, so he’s dropping this

00:35:25.179 –> 00:35:27.420
at the very first part of August. Essentially

00:35:27.420 –> 00:35:30.039
it’s a guy lieutenant and a couple of detectives

00:35:30.039 –> 00:35:33.000
who are investigating the killing of a cop. Um,

00:35:33.079 –> 00:35:35.000
but then, you know, they go deep into like, you

00:35:35.000 –> 00:35:38.159
know, the the case, they find out that it’s,

00:35:38.159 –> 00:35:41.980
uh, got some ancient evil, uh, that’s behind

00:35:41.980 –> 00:35:44.280
a lot of this stuff. So already I’m kind of getting

00:35:44.280 –> 00:35:46.780
like a little bit of vibes of, uh, of fallen.

00:35:47.179 –> 00:35:49.019
I don’t know if that’s the right thing, but just

00:35:49.019 –> 00:35:50.860
reading the synopsis, I love the movie fallen.

00:35:50.900 –> 00:35:52.400
And this is kind of what it gives me that vibe.

00:35:52.519 –> 00:35:54.360
I’ve been, I could be totally wrong, but what

00:35:54.360 –> 00:35:56.800
I really like about it, not only is it John Carpenter

00:35:56.800 –> 00:36:00.559
releasing his first, uh, graphic novel, but,

00:36:00.599 –> 00:36:02.699
uh, and the way that he does these things, he’s

00:36:02.699 –> 00:36:05.599
actually going to be putting out, um, a companion

00:36:05.599 –> 00:36:07.900
metal album to it, which I fucking love because

00:36:07.900 –> 00:36:10.280
of course John Carpenter does a great soundtrack.

00:36:10.420 –> 00:36:12.440
And so he’s going to be releasing this under

00:36:12.440 –> 00:36:15.300
the same name. Through a sacred bones records

00:36:15.300 –> 00:36:17.139
like a couple of days afterwards and essentially

00:36:17.139 –> 00:36:19.219
each chapter is gonna have like its own kind

00:36:19.219 –> 00:36:21.480
of theme that he’s writing with his You know

00:36:21.480 –> 00:36:23.679
perfect partner Cody carpenter, which does all

00:36:23.679 –> 00:36:26.199
the soundtracks and all the lost hits and stuff

00:36:26.199 –> 00:36:30.239
and goes on tour with him So I guess each song

00:36:30.239 –> 00:36:32.579
on the album is gonna correspond to like a specific

00:36:32.579 –> 00:36:35.539
chapter in And the graphic novel which I think

00:36:35.539 –> 00:36:37.739
is really cool because I wish more writers and

00:36:37.739 –> 00:36:39.760
artists did that There’s only one that I can

00:36:39.760 –> 00:36:41.219
think of off the top of my head, which is Jeff

00:36:41.219 –> 00:36:43.409
Lemire He writes a lot of chilling stuff kind

00:36:43.409 –> 00:36:45.769
of pressing in melancholy shit. And at the end

00:36:45.769 –> 00:36:47.590
of his comics, there’s always kind of a list

00:36:47.590 –> 00:36:51.050
of a soundtrack or a playlist you could listen

00:36:51.050 –> 00:36:54.309
to. So I love when the medium of literature kind

00:36:54.309 –> 00:36:56.969
of crosses with a cool playlist. So I’m super

00:36:56.969 –> 00:36:59.690
stoked because it’s John Carpenter’s first book,

00:36:59.750 –> 00:37:02.929
but we’re also getting the soundtrack to it,

00:37:02.929 –> 00:37:05.900
which I think is just super neat. He’s, he’s

00:37:05.900 –> 00:37:08.800
been hyping this up for a little while too. Um,

00:37:08.880 –> 00:37:11.159
I meant to mention this last time. He’s, he did

00:37:11.159 –> 00:37:15.659
a interview on, um, Billy Corgan’s podcast. That’s

00:37:15.659 –> 00:37:19.400
really cool to see cause he’s not being a curmudgeon.

00:37:19.539 –> 00:37:22.880
No offense, John. Um, but he was, yeah, there

00:37:22.880 –> 00:37:24.760
was some great questions and he’s talking about

00:37:24.760 –> 00:37:26.860
this. Highly recommend you check that out if

00:37:26.860 –> 00:37:29.340
you’re kind of like his first heavy metal album

00:37:29.340 –> 00:37:31.199
because there’s a lot more heavy guitar riffs

00:37:31.199 –> 00:37:34.360
and there’s a lot more um, I guess metal to it

00:37:34.360 –> 00:37:37.260
than a uh, A normal movie score that he would

00:37:37.260 –> 00:37:40.320
have that tends to be more like synth. Um, either

00:37:40.320 –> 00:37:42.280
way like, you know, it’s john carpenter music

00:37:42.650 –> 00:37:45.269
paired with a story that he’s written. And it’s

00:37:45.269 –> 00:37:47.389
a whole family affair with Storm King Comics

00:37:47.389 –> 00:37:49.449
putting it out and Cody doing the music with

00:37:49.449 –> 00:37:52.730
them. So I just, you know, as a huge Carpenter

00:37:52.730 –> 00:37:55.389
fan, I’m stoked and I can’t wait to check it

00:37:55.389 –> 00:37:57.989
out. That comes out August 4th. We got to get

00:37:57.989 –> 00:38:00.530
him on the pod someday. What’s that? We should

00:38:00.530 –> 00:38:01.969
make it a goal to get him on the pod someday.

00:38:03.030 –> 00:38:06.570
Yeah, I would love to if I’d be the amazing.

00:38:07.309 –> 00:38:10.170
He if you if you ever want to hear john carpenter

00:38:10.170 –> 00:38:13.610
prior to this like do kind of a metal song or

00:38:13.610 –> 00:38:16.230
score He did that for in the mouth of madness

00:38:16.230 –> 00:38:19.909
because he wanted enter sandman by metallica

00:38:19.909 –> 00:38:22.230
And he didn’t get it. So he’s like god damn it.

00:38:22.230 –> 00:38:25.590
So then he wrote one. That’s a pretty Ripping

00:38:25.590 –> 00:38:29.650
score that’s similar to that. Nice So yeah, you

00:38:29.650 –> 00:38:32.389
know, I know he has it in him Yeah, you can already

00:38:32.389 –> 00:38:34.309
listen to the first song. It’s called a lord

00:38:34.309 –> 00:38:37.219
of the underground Um, that’s already like streaming

00:38:37.219 –> 00:38:39.739
on a lot of places and stuff. Uh, so that’ll

00:38:39.739 –> 00:38:44.059
So that’s out right now with uh, uh cathedral

00:38:44.059 –> 00:38:47.599
john carpenter’s first graphic novel So congratulations,

00:38:47.659 –> 00:38:51.119
i know right? Uh, and then also the big thing

00:38:51.119 –> 00:38:52.699
that’s happening right now kind of just not only

00:38:52.699 –> 00:38:56.719
is it just uh in graphic novels and also, um

00:38:56.719 –> 00:38:58.920
It also ties to kind of my adventures in san

00:38:58.920 –> 00:39:01.380
diego comic -con year the devil which is an original

00:39:01.380 –> 00:39:04.579
comic that danie trejo, um has kind of You know,

00:39:04.639 –> 00:39:06.559
given the plot and the story too, and then the

00:39:06.559 –> 00:39:09.579
people over at PCB Productions, Keith Aram, who

00:39:09.579 –> 00:39:12.800
did Call of Duty, and also Chris Yates, who’s

00:39:12.800 –> 00:39:14.420
written some comic stuff as well. They’ve all

00:39:14.420 –> 00:39:16.360
teamed up with Danny Trejo to kind of present

00:39:16.360 –> 00:39:19.179
his own character as this immortal warrior cursed

00:39:19.179 –> 00:39:22.420
to battle demons across centuries. He’s going

00:39:22.420 –> 00:39:25.820
to be Diego and Diego’s got to deal with the

00:39:25.820 –> 00:39:29.440
devil and the force for Horman no for horsemen

00:39:29.440 –> 00:39:33.380
Either way, everyone’s having fun one way or

00:39:33.380 –> 00:39:37.380
the other to essentially like stop the End of

00:39:37.380 –> 00:39:39.099
humanity and you know save the woman. He loves

00:39:39.099 –> 00:39:42.960
you can’t have a good Graphic novel story starring

00:39:42.960 –> 00:39:45.039
Danny Trejo’s like essence without there being

00:39:45.039 –> 00:39:47.840
some sort of woman to love So it’s gonna be like

00:39:47.840 –> 00:39:49.679
this whole thing. They’re doing the panel at

00:39:49.679 –> 00:39:52.280
San Diego Comic -Con on Saturday They’ll have

00:39:52.280 –> 00:39:55.300
artists signings on Friday and Saturday and then

00:39:55.300 –> 00:39:58.719
the big panel releases on uh saturday night well

00:39:58.719 –> 00:40:01.739
they’ll uh announce it’s going to be back uh

00:40:01.739 –> 00:40:03.900
it’s going to be uh you know fan backed it’s

00:40:03.900 –> 00:40:06.179
i think it’s called backer kit it’s an alternative

00:40:06.179 –> 00:40:09.320
to uh kickstarter so they’re going to launch

00:40:09.320 –> 00:40:10.960
that and it’s going to be a whole campaign for

00:40:10.960 –> 00:40:13.789
that And I’m actually really excited to be part

00:40:13.789 –> 00:40:15.610
of that campaign I’ll be working with the social

00:40:15.610 –> 00:40:17.070
media department the marketing team and doing

00:40:17.070 –> 00:40:21.150
a lot of the behind -the -scenes stuff Throughout

00:40:21.150 –> 00:40:23.550
this campaign as it goes and it visits other

00:40:23.550 –> 00:40:25.829
comic shops So if you’re in the area and you

00:40:25.829 –> 00:40:27.250
have a comic shop and you’re looking to have

00:40:27.250 –> 00:40:31.909
Danny Trejo come in reach out to the team and

00:40:31.909 –> 00:40:34.329
It’ll go until November the 2nd and then I’ll

00:40:34.329 –> 00:40:37.809
have a big end of the campaign party at revenge

00:40:37.809 –> 00:40:40.429
of on day of the dead since a lot of this kind

00:40:40.429 –> 00:40:43.230
of like the comic itself taps into kind of like

00:40:43.230 –> 00:40:46.769
Dia de los Muertos. That’s down the street from

00:40:46.769 –> 00:40:50.250
us. You know, we’ve got kind of this age of,

00:40:50.250 –> 00:40:53.989
uh, you know, celebrity type people, uh, actors

00:40:53.989 –> 00:40:56.110
like transitioning from stories that they no

00:40:56.110 –> 00:40:58.150
longer can tell like through their acting and

00:40:58.150 –> 00:40:59.730
cause, you know, maybe they’re aging or whatever.

00:41:00.210 –> 00:41:02.230
Uh, they’re getting a chance to, uh, you know,

00:41:02.250 –> 00:41:04.010
say, Hey, how about we do this and teaming up

00:41:04.010 –> 00:41:05.849
with some upcoming writers? So I think that’s

00:41:05.849 –> 00:41:08.940
kind of a, It’s a neat take on the comic industry

00:41:08.940 –> 00:41:11.079
right now. I was going to comment on that because

00:41:11.079 –> 00:41:14.119
I’ve noticed this. You have those two that we’ve

00:41:14.119 –> 00:41:18.599
just talked about. But also Kid Cudi is a comic

00:41:18.599 –> 00:41:23.340
book writer or artist or something. And there’s

00:41:23.340 –> 00:41:25.699
others too. You probably could list a bunch.

00:41:26.760 –> 00:41:30.480
My other client is an actor. He’s working on

00:41:30.480 –> 00:41:34.130
his fifth volume of his comics as well. Hitting

00:41:34.130 –> 00:41:35.909
up some conventions the next couple of months

00:41:35.909 –> 00:41:38.510
to to get the word out. So yeah, and then there’s

00:41:38.510 –> 00:41:40.809
the I can’t think of her last name Kristen She

00:41:40.809 –> 00:41:43.409
was a lot of laying on a smallville like she

00:41:43.409 –> 00:41:44.929
has a comic that’s coming out. She’ll be making

00:41:44.929 –> 00:41:47.750
a parent set golden apple Yes, Kristen Kruik.

00:41:47.909 –> 00:41:52.110
That’s the the actress and so she has a new Story

00:41:52.110 –> 00:41:53.730
she came up with that. She has a writing team.

00:41:53.949 –> 00:41:56.909
So it’s definitely a different different era,

00:41:57.289 –> 00:41:59.179
but it makes sense if you’re Don’t want to be

00:41:59.179 –> 00:42:01.019
on the screen But you still want to tell stories

00:42:01.019 –> 00:42:03.159
comic is a really good medium to be able to do

00:42:03.159 –> 00:42:05.519
that And I think that’s kind of neat because

00:42:05.519 –> 00:42:08.460
it’s not only like for horror action sci -fi.

00:42:08.460 –> 00:42:11.420
It’s all over. So it’s it’s kind of a neat thing

00:42:11.420 –> 00:42:14.500
Oh, that’s really awesome. Cool. Well, what about

00:42:14.500 –> 00:42:16.559
you peter? What do you got for us? All right,

00:42:16.579 –> 00:42:20.739
so I got uh, two Events, I guess one’s more than

00:42:20.739 –> 00:42:24.239
just an event. Um, this is for those in los angeles

00:42:24.239 –> 00:42:27.619
and those who want to visit los angeles or planned

00:42:27.619 –> 00:42:31.119
to, but basically the Academy Museum of Motion

00:42:31.119 –> 00:42:33.900
Pictures is doing something called the Horror

00:42:33.900 –> 00:42:39.360
Show, where the exhibition opens September 26th.

00:42:39.360 –> 00:42:44.119
And it runs like almost a year round, but like

00:42:44.119 –> 00:42:48.539
they’re doing screenings of actually John Carpenter’s

00:42:48.539 –> 00:42:52.340
The Prince of Darkness on September 26th, Monster

00:42:52.340 –> 00:42:57.329
Mash October 24th. 4K restoration of House of

00:42:57.329 –> 00:43:02.489
Dracula. I guess I think that’s October 31st.

00:43:02.590 –> 00:43:05.929
Screening of the craft. Screening the Carrie.

00:43:06.090 –> 00:43:09.590
And this goes on, I don’t have the dates on the

00:43:09.590 –> 00:43:12.150
tip of my tongue, but I think it’s like, it’s

00:43:12.150 –> 00:43:15.750
months. And it’s covering, it’s like props and

00:43:15.750 –> 00:43:17.570
things from different movies. It covers like

00:43:17.570 –> 00:43:23.059
gothic horror, psychological science. slasher

00:43:23.059 –> 00:43:28.260
religion ghosts those are the themes and Yeah,

00:43:28.260 –> 00:43:29.960
it looks like they’re kind of going all in on

00:43:29.960 –> 00:43:32.900
this. So like yeah in January. It’s a celebration

00:43:32.900 –> 00:43:38.460
of hammer films Yeah, it’s it’s a big big push

00:43:38.460 –> 00:43:40.719
for this so that’s kind of interesting we got

00:43:40.719 –> 00:43:42.320
to go check that out. Let’s do a group pill trip

00:43:42.320 –> 00:43:47.099
We we should So yeah, just putting that out there

00:43:47.099 –> 00:43:49.519
for those who are going to be in Los Angeles,

00:43:49.820 –> 00:43:52.119
you know, more horror stuff, like we, you get

00:43:52.119 –> 00:43:55.320
like a month of Halloween out here anyway, but,

00:43:55.320 –> 00:43:59.000
um, now you get that. Um, and now the other event

00:43:59.000 –> 00:44:02.000
is kind of interesting because I stumbled across,

00:44:02.000 –> 00:44:05.619
um, hyper real fan club, which are film club,

00:44:06.159 –> 00:44:09.340
which is based out of Austin, Texas. And, um,

00:44:09.400 –> 00:44:12.199
they were posting about how they had a contest

00:44:12.199 –> 00:44:16.079
for. fake trailers for movies that didn’t exist.

00:44:16.800 –> 00:44:19.320
And I looked at it and was like, oh, that’s really

00:44:19.320 –> 00:44:22.559
fun. And I was like, shit, I missed the deadline.

00:44:22.920 –> 00:44:25.699
But Christopher and I shot like a fake trailer

00:44:25.699 –> 00:44:28.159
for Last Call a couple of years ago. It’s like

00:44:28.159 –> 00:44:32.119
a minute long. It’s kind of based on like a teaser,

00:44:32.440 –> 00:44:34.860
right? We didn’t have footage of like a movie

00:44:34.860 –> 00:44:36.739
or anything like that. It’s just kind of lewd

00:44:36.739 –> 00:44:40.159
to… The tone and it’s what our friend Jesse

00:44:40.159 –> 00:44:44.139
Merlin acted in it as a creepy bartender. Um,

00:44:44.179 –> 00:44:46.400
and so I was like, could I submit this? Because

00:44:46.400 –> 00:44:49.099
it wasn’t made for this. So like, sure. And it,

00:44:49.099 –> 00:44:51.559
it is, they accepted the submission. So it’s

00:44:51.559 –> 00:44:53.719
going to be included on what they’re doing. And

00:44:53.719 –> 00:44:55.699
they’re, they’re basically screening all these

00:44:55.699 –> 00:45:00.300
fake trailers for a night. And, um, that’s in

00:45:00.300 –> 00:45:06.119
Austin, Texas. It is. It starts at seven. It’s

00:45:06.119 –> 00:45:11.719
at seven. 30 And now I need the address. What’s

00:45:11.719 –> 00:45:16.179
the date that it’s green? It’s uh What date is

00:45:16.179 –> 00:45:20.019
this it’s the 30th of July? Yeah, it’s the 30th

00:45:20.019 –> 00:45:24.159
of July. It’s called the VHS zine release At

00:45:24.159 –> 00:45:27.639
the hyper real film club. It goes from 7 30 p

00:45:27.639 –> 00:45:35.659
.m. To 11 p .m It’s at 301 Cheycon CHICON Street,

00:45:35.940 –> 00:45:40.059
Austin, Texas 7 -8 -702. They do what looks like

00:45:40.059 –> 00:45:42.739
a lot of cool events. So if you’re in Austin

00:45:42.739 –> 00:45:44.760
and you’re into the indie world, you should check

00:45:44.760 –> 00:45:47.679
it out. And they told me they would send me a

00:45:47.679 –> 00:45:51.280
VHS copy of all the videos or all the trailers.

00:45:51.480 –> 00:45:53.320
So I’m excited. They’re not going to fly us out?

00:45:53.340 –> 00:45:56.400
What the fuck? I mean, if I was out there, I

00:45:56.400 –> 00:45:58.059
would be. I’m going to pass this along to some

00:45:58.059 –> 00:46:00.280
friends in Texas. Taffet, if you have friends

00:46:00.280 –> 00:46:05.900
that live there. I do. I’m from there. You know,

00:46:06.039 –> 00:46:10.260
also, maybe worth mentioning, Last Call is actually

00:46:10.260 –> 00:46:14.039
going to be playing the Amazing Fantasy Fest

00:46:14.039 –> 00:46:18.460
in Buffalo, New York. Oh, cool. In first half

00:46:18.460 –> 00:46:20.920
September, I believe, September 11th around that

00:46:20.920 –> 00:46:24.719
time. So if you live in Western New York, go

00:46:24.719 –> 00:46:28.420
check it out. Peter or I, or both of us will

00:46:28.420 –> 00:46:31.679
probably be there. So it’ll be… It’ll be fun

00:46:31.679 –> 00:46:35.719
times. That’s exciting. Good job going cross

00:46:35.719 –> 00:46:40.239
-country for your movie. Thanks, Davida. Okay,

00:46:40.300 –> 00:46:43.659
let’s get into the releases. I’m going to keep

00:46:43.659 –> 00:46:47.139
these short and just kind of list them off because

00:46:47.139 –> 00:46:49.679
there’s a lot of them, actually, which is very

00:46:49.679 –> 00:46:52.800
exciting. Well, it depends on how good they are.

00:46:53.079 –> 00:46:56.599
But let’s see. So the first one is Her Private

00:46:56.599 –> 00:46:59.969
Health, which is Nicholas Winding Ruffins. new

00:46:59.969 –> 00:47:02.190
film, his first film in like 10 years since Neon

00:47:02.190 –> 00:47:06.969
Demon came out. He co -wrote it with Esti Giordani,

00:47:07.949 –> 00:47:11.449
who hasn’t really done anything that I’m familiar

00:47:11.449 –> 00:47:13.949
with, but has done a few things in the past.

00:47:14.150 –> 00:47:18.070
It stars Havana Rose Liu, Sophie Thatcher and

00:47:18.070 –> 00:47:23.230
Charles Melton. And it’s the synopsis says, claims

00:47:23.230 –> 00:47:25.530
that it’s a hypnotic unhinged thriller with an

00:47:25.530 –> 00:47:27.650
original story promising plenty of glamour, sex

00:47:27.650 –> 00:47:30.719
and violence. Which all that may be true, but

00:47:30.719 –> 00:47:34.840
so far I got to say the reactions are pretty

00:47:34.840 –> 00:47:41.039
underwhelming. Actually, most of them seem. It’s

00:47:41.039 –> 00:47:44.460
not they seem actually angry about how how bad

00:47:44.460 –> 00:47:48.059
they think it is. So I wasn’t going to talk about

00:47:48.059 –> 00:47:49.500
the trailer for that because the trailer, I think,

00:47:49.579 –> 00:47:52.000
looks pretty good. But like after I read all

00:47:52.000 –> 00:47:54.579
the reactions, I was like, maybe this is what

00:47:54.579 –> 00:47:57.489
I’m going to miss. So or at least. Check it out

00:47:57.489 –> 00:47:59.909
when it’s on streaming. However, I did stop by

00:47:59.909 –> 00:48:04.789
the Nicholas Wine and Refren Reddit subreddit

00:48:04.789 –> 00:48:07.230
and they’re stoked about it. And the fact that

00:48:07.230 –> 00:48:09.170
there’s so many negative reviews about it makes

00:48:09.170 –> 00:48:12.250
them want to see it more. So who knows? Maybe

00:48:12.250 –> 00:48:14.289
they’re right. Maybe it’ll be this like hidden

00:48:14.289 –> 00:48:17.409
gem. I will tell you, I don’t know if you guys

00:48:17.409 –> 00:48:20.010
do this, especially when it comes to horror movies.

00:48:20.010 –> 00:48:23.210
I go to IMDB. If it’s more than a five, then

00:48:23.210 –> 00:48:25.360
I’ll probably watch it. But if it’s Less than

00:48:25.360 –> 00:48:27.280
I’m like, I don’t know because fanboys are gonna

00:48:27.280 –> 00:48:29.800
give it a 10 and like someone who likes the omen

00:48:29.800 –> 00:48:31.699
But doesn’t like horror is gonna give it a one,

00:48:31.980 –> 00:48:33.800
right? So I feel like that’s a fair assessment

00:48:33.800 –> 00:48:36.059
for something that I might like You’re gonna

00:48:36.059 –> 00:48:37.880
have it’s this is gonna be a tough call for you

00:48:37.880 –> 00:48:42.739
because it’s 4 .8 on IMDB. I Mean, I really like

00:48:42.739 –> 00:48:47.219
drive. I like neon demon. I know I think the

00:48:47.219 –> 00:48:51.179
criticism is a lot of it seems to be like he’s

00:48:51.179 –> 00:48:54.889
not up to his usual form So do I that as you

00:48:54.889 –> 00:48:57.010
will and and and I guess there’s some criticism

00:48:57.010 –> 00:49:02.050
about The slow pacing and the story to you, but

00:49:02.050 –> 00:49:04.510
I don’t right so that’s coming out this weekend

00:49:04.510 –> 00:49:07.530
judge for yourself There’s another horror film

00:49:07.530 –> 00:49:11.230
that we’re getting called Cruel Hands It’s directed

00:49:11.230 –> 00:49:16.750
and written by Al Callick It’s an interesting

00:49:16.750 –> 00:49:19.090
spelling, but I think it’s Al Callick and co

00:49:19.090 –> 00:49:20.969
-written by Matthew Callick, so I’m assuming

00:49:20.969 –> 00:49:25.190
they’re brothers And it stars Maverine Hazel

00:49:25.190 –> 00:49:28.550
LaLance Glenda Callick. It’s probably a sister.

00:49:28.610 –> 00:49:29.829
So it’s like, there’s, we’ve got a whole family

00:49:29.829 –> 00:49:32.269
thing going on here. Um, or mom. I don’t know.

00:49:32.289 –> 00:49:34.650
It could be mom. Uh, it’s an Australian film

00:49:34.650 –> 00:49:37.889
and the synopsis is a mother and her son. There

00:49:37.889 –> 00:49:40.090
we go. A mother and her son hide out in an abandoned

00:49:40.090 –> 00:49:42.889
farm on the run from an abusive husband and takes

00:49:42.889 –> 00:49:45.789
place in the 2019 bushfires as an emergency service

00:49:45.789 –> 00:49:48.449
struggle to track down the missing family. Di

00:49:48.449 –> 00:49:52.760
begins to uncover not all as, as it seems. I

00:49:52.760 –> 00:49:54.699
love Australian movies. I might be biased because

00:49:54.699 –> 00:49:56.440
I went to film school in Australia, but I actually

00:49:56.440 –> 00:50:00.300
think that they have a really interesting perspective

00:50:00.300 –> 00:50:03.880
and like the proposition was a fucking dope movie.

00:50:04.760 –> 00:50:07.239
I think Wolf Creek was an Australian film as

00:50:07.239 –> 00:50:09.619
well. So anyways, I’m going to check it out because

00:50:09.619 –> 00:50:12.639
I think it looks pretty great. Fortress. That’s

00:50:12.639 –> 00:50:15.639
all I got to say. Fortress. It’s a really old

00:50:15.639 –> 00:50:19.530
Australian survival method. Yeah. Watch on YouTube,

00:50:19.849 –> 00:50:20.769
because it’s not streaming. I mean, it’s trying

00:50:20.769 –> 00:50:23.889
to get Hanging Rock launched. Talk to me. Talk

00:50:23.889 –> 00:50:27.010
to me. Talk to me more recent. There’s, I mean.

00:50:27.190 –> 00:50:29.650
And all the Mad Max films. Yeah, Mad Max, of

00:50:29.650 –> 00:50:35.030
course. Let’s see. So another release this weekend

00:50:35.030 –> 00:50:37.230
is Pinocchio Unstrung, which we talked about

00:50:37.230 –> 00:50:40.389
a few times on the pod. And it’s directed by

00:50:40.389 –> 00:50:42.849
Rhys Frake Waterfield, written by Rhys Frake

00:50:42.849 –> 00:50:45.210
Waterfield, and it stars Richard Burke, Robert

00:50:45.210 –> 00:50:48.150
Englund. Nightmare on Elm Street fame, Cameron

00:50:48.150 –> 00:50:51.429
Bell. And the synopsis is, a dark coming of age,

00:50:51.590 –> 00:50:53.610
reimagining of Pinocchio, this unsettling tale

00:50:53.610 –> 00:50:55.630
follows the iconic puppet’s disturbing journey

00:50:55.630 –> 00:50:58.750
toward becoming real. First thing I’ll say is

00:50:58.750 –> 00:51:01.510
after our last conversation, I decided to just

00:51:01.510 –> 00:51:04.429
like go on to shutter and watch Winnie the Pooh,

00:51:04.469 –> 00:51:06.989
Blood and Honey. And just because I was like,

00:51:06.989 –> 00:51:08.690
I don’t know, it might be good. Peter, you’re

00:51:08.690 –> 00:51:13.489
100 % right. I turned it off after like not very

00:51:13.489 –> 00:51:18.320
long. I hate to talk bad of films, but like it

00:51:18.320 –> 00:51:22.860
was for me somewhat unwatchable and I’m hoping

00:51:22.860 –> 00:51:24.300
that maybe, you know, they’re progressing at

00:51:24.300 –> 00:51:26.119
the ladders. I probably not going to check it

00:51:26.119 –> 00:51:29.000
out in the theater, but if you’re into the other

00:51:29.000 –> 00:51:32.000
films that they did like, you know, Winnie the

00:51:32.000 –> 00:51:34.420
Pooh Blood and Honey, then go check it out. And

00:51:34.420 –> 00:51:37.679
for the record, I have not seen it. I just got,

00:51:37.679 –> 00:51:40.179
I probably said something like, you know, they’re

00:51:40.179 –> 00:51:43.940
using public domain. I mean, your intuition was

00:51:43.940 –> 00:51:45.320
right though. You were basically like, I have

00:51:45.320 –> 00:51:48.320
no interest. It looks awful. And, uh, I was like,

00:51:48.500 –> 00:51:51.679
I don’t know. It could be good. Yeah. Instinct.

00:51:51.739 –> 00:51:54.679
I’ve been burned by a lot of movies, um, and

00:51:54.679 –> 00:51:57.019
things. So especially like looking for those

00:51:57.019 –> 00:51:59.019
diamonds in the rough. Like it was amazing. It

00:51:59.019 –> 00:52:01.199
looked great. Like the production values I thought

00:52:01.199 –> 00:52:04.159
were there, but just, it just felt very like,

00:52:04.719 –> 00:52:06.760
uh, you know what they’re doing. This is my sort

00:52:06.760 –> 00:52:08.219
of interpretation of it, but they were really

00:52:08.219 –> 00:52:11.949
remind me of the asylum. And for those of you

00:52:11.949 –> 00:52:13.809
listening at home who don’t know, the Asylum

00:52:13.809 –> 00:52:17.730
is a film production company. They did their

00:52:17.730 –> 00:52:20.630
biggest hit is Sharknado and the whole Sharknado

00:52:20.630 –> 00:52:22.969
series, but their whole business model is basically

00:52:22.969 –> 00:52:26.929
they crank out these like sub $300 ,000 budget

00:52:26.929 –> 00:52:30.889
films and it’s like pulp. And then they make

00:52:30.889 –> 00:52:33.329
them so cheaply and so quickly that they make

00:52:33.329 –> 00:52:35.489
a little bit of profit on each of them. But you

00:52:35.489 –> 00:52:37.849
know, it ends up being a profitable business.

00:52:38.630 –> 00:52:40.269
Yeah, and I feel like that’s kind of what these

00:52:40.269 –> 00:52:42.449
people are going for, this studio that’s doing

00:52:42.449 –> 00:52:45.210
these. I think they also write them very quickly,

00:52:45.269 –> 00:52:47.929
which probably speaks to the red. Yeah, they’re

00:52:47.929 –> 00:52:51.110
not aiming for, you know, to be the next obsession.

00:52:51.670 –> 00:52:54.289
They’re aiming to be the next Sharknado, if they

00:52:54.289 –> 00:52:59.280
can, you know. I like the sharknadoes. I mean,

00:52:59.380 –> 00:53:01.460
look, it lands every once in a while. All these

00:53:01.460 –> 00:53:04.280
movies do have their fans. Like, I will say that.

00:53:04.599 –> 00:53:05.960
For sure. And if it’s your thing, no judgment.

00:53:06.099 –> 00:53:08.300
Like, that’s your thing. You know, it’s not necessarily

00:53:08.300 –> 00:53:14.159
my thing, but you know. Oh, we judging. Stop

00:53:14.159 –> 00:53:17.539
listening. No, I mean, it’s like you could you

00:53:17.539 –> 00:53:19.500
could go to anyone. They’re going to like a band

00:53:19.500 –> 00:53:21.340
you hate. They’re going to like a movie you hate.

00:53:21.400 –> 00:53:23.059
You’re going to like something they hate. It’s

00:53:23.059 –> 00:53:27.670
just, you know, we’re all different. So the next

00:53:27.670 –> 00:53:31.389
film also coming out, uh, that, uh, this next

00:53:31.389 –> 00:53:33.429
weekend, which I probably didn’t mention. This

00:53:33.429 –> 00:53:35.670
is the weekend of July 24th. So all of these

00:53:35.670 –> 00:53:37.630
that I’ve talked about, including this next one

00:53:37.630 –> 00:53:40.170
are coming out July 24th. And this is actually

00:53:40.170 –> 00:53:43.050
a horror comedy and it’s called Haunted Heist

00:53:43.050 –> 00:53:46.230
and it’s directed by Lil Rel Howery, who’s an

00:53:46.230 –> 00:53:49.769
actor, um, primarily mostly known because he

00:53:49.769 –> 00:53:53.650
was in get out. And it was written by Carl Reed.

00:53:53.840 –> 00:53:57.539
And it stars Abhinav Singh, Stephen Blackwell

00:53:57.539 –> 00:54:00.280
and Tiffany Haddish. But I watched the trailer

00:54:00.280 –> 00:54:04.500
and I think if you’re into essentially like a

00:54:04.500 –> 00:54:08.239
more sort of like a black take on a horror comedy,

00:54:08.300 –> 00:54:11.059
like this is right up your real house. It looks

00:54:11.059 –> 00:54:13.000
awesome. Looks hilarious. I’m totally going to

00:54:13.000 –> 00:54:15.539
watch it. I’ll probably wait for streaming just

00:54:15.539 –> 00:54:16.719
because I don’t have a lot of time to go to every

00:54:16.719 –> 00:54:19.460
movie. I want to see the theater, but it looks

00:54:19.460 –> 00:54:22.159
promising. So check it out. And then we have

00:54:22.159 –> 00:54:25.199
one more film. worth mentioning coming out on

00:54:25.199 –> 00:54:27.960
the 24th and that is Motor City. And this is

00:54:27.960 –> 00:54:30.159
more of a psychological thriller and it’s directed

00:54:30.159 –> 00:54:34.619
by Patsy Ponsiroly who did Old Henry, which just

00:54:34.619 –> 00:54:37.280
dropped on Netflix and has been like, I think

00:54:37.280 –> 00:54:40.079
in the top 10, which probably explains why they

00:54:40.079 –> 00:54:44.059
released it when they did. And it’s written by

00:54:44.059 –> 00:54:47.219
Chad St. John. It stars Alan Richson, Ben Foster

00:54:47.219 –> 00:54:49.679
and Chaelene Woodley. So kind of a high profile

00:54:49.679 –> 00:54:54.260
cast. And it said in 1970s Detroit, John Miller

00:54:54.260 –> 00:54:57.239
falls for a local gangsters girl. In retaliation,

00:54:57.300 –> 00:54:59.340
the gangster enacts a frame job to send the innocent

00:54:59.340 –> 00:55:02.099
man to prison. Life ruined Miller plots a revenge

00:55:02.099 –> 00:55:04.039
campaign against the man who took his girl away.

00:55:04.599 –> 00:55:06.900
And it looks kind of like a gritty, maybe like

00:55:06.900 –> 00:55:11.840
more action kind of psychological thriller. But

00:55:11.840 –> 00:55:14.619
what I think is noticeable or notable rather

00:55:14.619 –> 00:55:18.719
is that there was only one other film in the

00:55:18.719 –> 00:55:21.880
release calendar that I saw. than what I mentioned

00:55:21.880 –> 00:55:25.579
here. So all of these releases are horror or

00:55:25.579 –> 00:55:28.719
thriller, and that’s kind of crazy. It’s like

00:55:28.719 –> 00:55:31.059
horror is taking over the universe, it feels

00:55:31.059 –> 00:55:33.960
like. Well, there’s just, there’s, I feel like

00:55:33.960 –> 00:55:36.380
there’s always a crazy output of it, even when

00:55:36.380 –> 00:55:39.159
it’s not like popular, but when it’s popular,

00:55:39.219 –> 00:55:41.760
then you’re really seeing it, you know? And maybe,

00:55:41.820 –> 00:55:43.579
maybe it’s just that the distributors are taking

00:55:43.579 –> 00:55:45.860
risks on actually releasing them in theaters

00:55:45.860 –> 00:55:47.840
in a way that they didn’t used to or something.

00:55:48.950 –> 00:55:53.670
There could be. So the following weekend, actually,

00:55:54.949 –> 00:55:57.690
this is I think Thursday or Friday after that,

00:55:58.010 –> 00:56:02.550
we’re getting Spider -Man, Brand New Day. And

00:56:02.550 –> 00:56:06.309
that’s directed by Dustin Daniel Cretton, writers

00:56:06.309 –> 00:56:09.730
Chris McKenna, Eric Sommers and Stan Lee, the

00:56:09.730 –> 00:56:13.650
great late. It stars Tom Holland, Zendaya and

00:56:13.650 –> 00:56:16.409
Sadie Sink, you know, a few no -name actors you

00:56:16.409 –> 00:56:19.530
never heard of. And the synopsis is a forgotten

00:56:19.530 –> 00:56:21.630
Peter Parker lives alone as a full -time spider

00:56:21.630 –> 00:56:23.610
-man until mounting pressure triggers a dangerous

00:56:23.610 –> 00:56:27.469
change and a powerful new enemy emerges now taffeta

00:56:27.469 –> 00:56:32.829
in Spider -man lore Where like is this a story

00:56:32.829 –> 00:56:34.570
that first made an appearance in comic books?

00:56:34.809 –> 00:56:36.949
What can you tell us about it? I can’t I don’t

00:56:36.949 –> 00:56:42.949
read spider -man. I’m sorry That’s kind of a

00:56:42.949 –> 00:56:46.019
base I don’t like my knowledge of spider -man

00:56:46.019 –> 00:56:48.699
comes from his time with the fantastic four And

00:56:48.699 –> 00:56:50.880
the avengers like as far as the spider -man titles

00:56:50.880 –> 00:56:52.739
that guy has been going on for way too long for

00:56:52.739 –> 00:56:57.280
me to keep up But I yeah, I as far as the movie

00:56:57.280 –> 00:56:59.260
goes I think it’s just an accumulation of just

00:56:59.260 –> 00:57:01.179
different stories and maybe some stuff from John

00:57:01.179 –> 00:57:03.940
Romita jr. It could be stuff from the Stanley

00:57:03.940 –> 00:57:07.599
comic strips, but I mean I’ll see the movie but

00:57:07.599 –> 00:57:10.650
I Don’t know shit about spider -man. I’m sorry.

00:57:10.650 –> 00:57:14.130
No, no worries. Well report back. That’s that’s

00:57:14.130 –> 00:57:18.789
a good way to end We actually have one more film

00:57:18.789 –> 00:57:20.630
because that was midweek the weekend of August

00:57:20.630 –> 00:57:23.590
1st we get a horror called Devour which is written

00:57:23.590 –> 00:57:27.530
by Scott B Hansen and Sorry directed by Scott

00:57:27.530 –> 00:57:30.650
B Hansen and written by Scott B Hansen and Desiree

00:57:30.650 –> 00:57:35.010
Hansen Presumably a wife maybe or a sister something

00:57:35.860 –> 00:57:37.920
um stars caitlyn we’re getting a lot of like

00:57:37.920 –> 00:57:40.079
family teams lately have you noticed that it’s

00:57:40.079 –> 00:57:45.559
interesting cheap labor it stars caitlyn e newberry

00:57:45.559 –> 00:57:49.039
andrew pierson john potash and a synopsis is

00:57:49.039 –> 00:57:50.960
a struggling all -female metal band called the

00:57:50.960 –> 00:57:53.820
virginia bitches have a taste for blood and while

00:57:53.820 –> 00:57:55.599
on tour the van breaks down in the middle of

00:57:55.599 –> 00:57:57.599
nowhere seeking help they come across a town

00:57:57.599 –> 00:58:00.360
full of cannibals led by an infamous warlock

00:58:00.360 –> 00:58:03.719
which sounds awesome peter and i are both from

00:58:03.719 –> 00:58:07.460
virginia So we got that tie in, I suppose. I

00:58:07.460 –> 00:58:09.500
don’t know if I’d go see a band with that name,

00:58:09.920 –> 00:58:13.840
though. That just does not sound like… It sounds

00:58:13.840 –> 00:58:15.519
like a Scooby -Doo band, like a band that would

00:58:15.519 –> 00:58:18.920
be on the Scooby -Doo island. Yeah. I mean, it

00:58:18.920 –> 00:58:21.440
gets your attention, but I’d be like, I don’t

00:58:21.440 –> 00:58:24.440
know. Well, presumably, at least some of them

00:58:24.440 –> 00:58:27.360
will probably get eaten by cannibals, so… Yeah,

00:58:27.380 –> 00:58:29.360
I mean, I like the plot. I think that sounds

00:58:29.360 –> 00:58:32.659
interesting. Yeah, it sounds wild. I wonder if

00:58:32.659 –> 00:58:40.099
they’re gonna go… campy or Serious or the Virginia

00:58:40.099 –> 00:58:45.539
bitches is a very campy band name Warlock is

00:58:45.539 –> 00:58:49.000
a wild -card thing, but you know, yeah, and the

00:58:49.000 –> 00:58:53.719
posters looks very 80s or Have you ever heard

00:58:53.719 –> 00:58:58.619
the term pizza metal? No, but You can imagine

00:58:58.619 –> 00:59:01.119
why have I not been a fan of pizza metal for

00:59:01.119 –> 00:59:04.340
a long time. I mean, it’s just kind of like What

00:59:04.340 –> 00:59:09.820
you think it is, but it sounds like hold on It’s

00:59:09.820 –> 00:59:13.300
like party metal, you know, like It’s very like

00:59:13.300 –> 00:59:16.500
neon and pizza and beer and all, you know Like

00:59:16.500 –> 00:59:18.860
that like that’s what I’m getting an image of

00:59:18.860 –> 00:59:21.199
for the movie you’re describing. Yeah, that’s

00:59:21.199 –> 00:59:24.460
that seems about about right. I think No, I mean

00:59:24.460 –> 00:59:26.519
no judgment on it. I like that stuff, but I’m

00:59:26.519 –> 00:59:30.670
just So you’re saying like metal and GWK. I don’t

00:59:30.670 –> 00:59:32.710
even think that’s like pizza metal. I think it’s

00:59:32.710 –> 00:59:35.670
a little bit more specific and dirtier. Like

00:59:35.670 –> 00:59:38.050
I don’t know if municipal waste would be considered

00:59:38.050 –> 00:59:41.289
that, but like just party and you know, like

00:59:41.289 –> 00:59:46.050
excess and. Right. Someone wants totally this.

00:59:49.389 –> 00:59:52.289
Well, they, you just like, maybe because it’s

00:59:52.289 –> 00:59:55.309
like metal that you watch when you’re high and

00:59:55.309 –> 00:59:57.860
therefore you want to eat pizza. Mm -hmm. Yeah,

00:59:57.860 –> 00:59:59.320
we’re like have you ever heard the expression

00:59:59.320 –> 01:00:03.239
fun punk? That’s another another style of specific.

01:00:03.679 –> 01:00:06.719
It’s you know party party music right kind of

01:00:06.719 –> 01:00:11.059
stuff, right? So that’s the vibe I get from Virginia

01:00:11.059 –> 01:00:13.739
bitches and the bitches in the party I don’t

01:00:13.739 –> 01:00:15.239
know why but I’m just picturing a metal band

01:00:15.239 –> 01:00:17.780
where the singers pizza the hut from Spaceballs

01:00:17.780 –> 01:00:20.960
So I’d be pretty wild. Yeah, you’re gonna send

01:00:20.960 –> 01:00:28.500
out for you Peter I’m sorry. On that note, we

01:00:28.500 –> 01:00:32.079
are going to get into our interview today. And

01:00:32.079 –> 01:00:33.239
Taffy, you want to tell us a little bit about

01:00:33.239 –> 01:00:35.400
who we’re going to be talking to? Yeah, this

01:00:35.400 –> 01:00:38.139
is Joseph Scrimshaw. I met him through my partner,

01:00:38.340 –> 01:00:41.840
Ken. He is the other half of the Star Wars Force

01:00:41.840 –> 01:00:44.960
Center podcast. But he also – Friend of the Pod,

01:00:45.320 –> 01:00:47.519
we did an interview with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:48.039 –> 01:00:52.539
He’s co -host with Ken. And he is finally finished

01:00:52.539 –> 01:00:54.920
his – first full length feature. He’s got a lot

01:00:54.920 –> 01:00:57.739
of a theater background, a lot of short films

01:00:57.739 –> 01:01:00.559
under his belt, but this is his first feature

01:01:00.559 –> 01:01:04.039
film. And I got to see the premiere in LA and

01:01:04.039 –> 01:01:06.440
you know, he’s got a lot of good stuff to talk

01:01:06.440 –> 01:01:08.480
about. And you know, you guys will have a great

01:01:08.480 –> 01:01:11.840
time talking Indie comics or excuse me. You guys

01:01:11.840 –> 01:01:14.139
have a great time talking about the indie process

01:01:14.139 –> 01:01:15.980
of filmmaking, which I know nothing about, but

01:01:15.980 –> 01:01:19.679
that’s why you guys are here. Well, let’s get

01:01:19.679 –> 01:01:23.300
into it. Hey, Joseph, welcome. Welcome to the

01:01:23.300 –> 01:01:26.179
podcast. How’s it going? Very happy to be here.

01:01:26.239 –> 01:01:28.579
Thank you for having me. Fuck yeah, ma ‘am. Super

01:01:28.579 –> 01:01:30.719
stoked. I got a chance to check out Dead Media

01:01:30.719 –> 01:01:33.360
last night. Thank you for the invite out to the

01:01:33.360 –> 01:01:35.360
premiere. That was super fun. I got a chance

01:01:35.360 –> 01:01:38.380
to check out Brain Dead, so that’s something

01:01:38.380 –> 01:01:40.380
that was on my list, so it worked out fantastically.

01:01:40.500 –> 01:01:42.360
Thank you. Yeah, of course. Yeah, you’re going

01:01:42.360 –> 01:01:44.380
through all of the theaters of Los Angeles, right,

01:01:44.599 –> 01:01:47.070
and picking out your favorites as you go. yeah

01:01:47.070 –> 01:01:49.190
small theaters and the diners so yeah we hit

01:01:49.190 –> 01:01:53.829
off and we did uh uh brain dead so it was fantastic

01:01:53.829 –> 01:01:57.780
big los angeles night Yeah, it’s totally good.

01:01:58.139 –> 01:02:00.139
So, um, these guys haven’t actually checked out

01:02:00.139 –> 01:02:01.699
the movie yet So I think essentially what we’re

01:02:01.699 –> 01:02:03.300
gonna do is have you like kind of pitch the movie

01:02:03.300 –> 01:02:05.340
to us and tell us why we should see it give us

01:02:05.340 –> 01:02:06.900
synopsis and then we can talk a little bit about

01:02:06.900 –> 01:02:09.639
that and then You know, I’ve got some questions

01:02:09.639 –> 01:02:11.880
as far as like the casting and stuff like that

01:02:11.880 –> 01:02:13.760
that pertains to some of the stuff I saw that

01:02:13.760 –> 01:02:16.380
doesn’t actually give spoilers away and then

01:02:16.380 –> 01:02:18.019
since they have like, you know the big production

01:02:18.019 –> 01:02:22.360
and Experience in the studios. They’ll uh, they’ll

01:02:22.360 –> 01:02:24.409
hit you up with that Nice, that sounds fantastic.

01:02:24.849 –> 01:02:28.010
Yeah, so Dead Media is a story of a troubled

01:02:28.010 –> 01:02:30.570
young woman who just wants to try to get away

01:02:30.570 –> 01:02:33.329
from her problems by watching an old horror movie

01:02:33.329 –> 01:02:37.590
on streaming the movies from 1999. Her old aging

01:02:37.590 –> 01:02:40.170
hipster Gen X uncle gets wind of this and says,

01:02:40.289 –> 01:02:42.190
No, no, no, no, no, no, you got to watch it the

01:02:42.190 –> 01:02:45.530
correct way on old school DVD. And he brings

01:02:45.530 –> 01:02:48.929
over the DVD and the DVD ain’t right. And horror

01:02:48.929 –> 01:02:52.210
and generational trauma ensue. So it’s a it’s

01:02:52.210 –> 01:02:54.239
a love letter to physical media I really love

01:02:54.239 –> 01:02:56.300
physical media I love lots of old things and

01:02:56.300 –> 01:02:59.199
I have since I was like four years old but I

01:02:59.199 –> 01:03:01.139
also want to balance that out with how can you

01:03:01.139 –> 01:03:04.559
love old things without sort of being stuck or

01:03:04.559 –> 01:03:07.019
being drawn into the past that’s really a story

01:03:07.019 –> 01:03:09.940
about loving old things but also trying to move

01:03:09.940 –> 01:03:12.309
forward Yeah, yeah, I did see me a lot like that

01:03:12.309 –> 01:03:13.869
like there’s a lot of nostalgia in there like

01:03:13.869 –> 01:03:15.230
and one of the things that kind of resonated

01:03:15.230 –> 01:03:17.510
with me is Having to let go of all that stuff

01:03:17.510 –> 01:03:20.070
from a certain era like I’m a big 80s fan You’re

01:03:20.070 –> 01:03:22.050
kind of a second lead character. The uncle was

01:03:22.050 –> 01:03:25.329
more of a 90s He was stuck in 1999 and he couldn’t

01:03:25.329 –> 01:03:27.170
let go of everything that had happened to him

01:03:27.170 –> 01:03:29.469
And I like that about this movie because it is

01:03:29.469 –> 01:03:31.329
kind of like, you know, it’s not like gory scary,

01:03:31.389 –> 01:03:33.110
but it’s scary It’s got some chills and thrills.

01:03:33.110 –> 01:03:35.849
I liked it but there’s a deeper story in there

01:03:35.849 –> 01:03:37.710
about like actually just kind of growth and like,

01:03:37.789 –> 01:03:39.309
you know letting go of the past to kind of move

01:03:39.309 –> 01:03:41.780
forward and I I really appreciated that tied

01:03:41.780 –> 01:03:44.099
into everything. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it is

01:03:44.099 –> 01:03:46.900
definitely on the sort of a Wicker Man to Saw

01:03:46.900 –> 01:03:50.280
spectrum. It’s a far more Wicker Man than Saw

01:03:50.280 –> 01:03:53.059
in terms. I’ve been describing it as a folk horror

01:03:53.059 –> 01:03:56.840
if the ancient horror was 1999. So yeah, it’s

01:03:56.840 –> 01:03:59.260
definitely on the more creepy vibe and really

01:03:59.260 –> 01:04:02.579
motivated. There’s a lot of comedy. There’s a

01:04:02.579 –> 01:04:04.760
lot of drama. There’s a little romance. But what

01:04:04.760 –> 01:04:07.260
really motivated me was, you know, the great

01:04:07.260 –> 01:04:10.000
Carrie Fisher quote, take your broken heart and

01:04:10.000 –> 01:04:13.019
make it art. Getting to the age where you know,

01:04:13.300 –> 01:04:16.360
I’m really wrestling with you know, I often want

01:04:16.360 –> 01:04:19.079
it to be 1999 I often want to be young again

01:04:19.079 –> 01:04:21.340
and redo it in that there could be a real ache

01:04:21.340 –> 01:04:23.559
and a pain to that and Some of my favorite parts

01:04:23.559 –> 01:04:26.159
of the film are are you know trying to process

01:04:26.159 –> 01:04:28.480
that and give other people a place to process

01:04:28.480 –> 01:04:32.119
that As the era graduated high school actually

01:04:32.119 –> 01:04:34.920
amazing. Yeah, is that a good thing or a bad

01:04:34.920 –> 01:04:37.719
thing for you when you think of 99? I loved it

01:04:37.719 –> 01:04:39.739
and Peter and I are actually old high school

01:04:39.739 –> 01:04:42.079
friends. Okay. I don’t know about you Peter,

01:04:42.119 –> 01:04:44.719
but I look back on those days fondly. Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:44.840 –> 01:04:48.119
I mean it’s hard not to if you had somewhat of

01:04:48.119 –> 01:04:52.139
a decent youth, I guess Joseph based on what

01:04:52.139 –> 01:04:54.000
you’re saying. It sounds like this is also kind

01:04:54.000 –> 01:04:57.360
of a personal story. Is that what would you say

01:04:57.360 –> 01:05:01.110
that’s true? Yeah, yeah, I think I tend to write

01:05:01.110 –> 01:05:04.610
in the way that, like, every character is a little

01:05:04.610 –> 01:05:06.929
fragment of myself from my own experiences. Like,

01:05:07.010 –> 01:05:09.210
there are some characters that I was writing

01:05:09.210 –> 01:05:11.730
that are like, oh, I’m borrowing a little bit

01:05:11.730 –> 01:05:15.630
from this friend of mine. And then, yeah, not

01:05:15.630 –> 01:05:18.449
to be a bummer, but right when I was finishing

01:05:18.449 –> 01:05:20.769
up the film, a friend of mine that I hung out

01:05:20.769 –> 01:05:23.710
with a ton in 1999 and did, like, fun, crazy,

01:05:23.889 –> 01:05:26.739
wild stuff with, he passed away. And I had talked

01:05:26.739 –> 01:05:29.800
to him in a while, but I was like, but I feel

01:05:29.800 –> 01:05:31.840
like I’ve talked to him. And I didn’t realize

01:05:31.840 –> 01:05:35.059
how much of him I had put into the uncle and

01:05:35.059 –> 01:05:37.500
I had felt like I was spending time with him.

01:05:38.179 –> 01:05:41.260
So I think the film actually got even more personal

01:05:41.260 –> 01:05:44.239
than I realized until I had to kind of reckon

01:05:44.239 –> 01:05:47.510
with it. I can imagine. Can you want to talk,

01:05:47.510 –> 01:05:49.809
talk a little bit about what you, uh, your different

01:05:49.809 –> 01:05:51.630
roles on the film? Cause it seems like you wore

01:05:51.630 –> 01:05:54.269
a lot of hats and, um, and maybe tie that in

01:05:54.269 –> 01:05:56.150
with your like larger career and like what you

01:05:56.150 –> 01:05:59.800
do your day to day. The extremely short version

01:05:59.800 –> 01:06:03.039
of my career. My first thing I like to do is

01:06:03.039 –> 01:06:04.780
drawing and painting. So went to school for that.

01:06:04.780 –> 01:06:07.440
The University of Minnesota, briefly in high

01:06:07.440 –> 01:06:10.340
school and college. Played in rock bands. My

01:06:10.340 –> 01:06:11.820
dad’s a drummer and he taught me to drum. It

01:06:11.820 –> 01:06:13.800
was a very, you know, beautiful cat’s cradle

01:06:13.800 –> 01:06:16.719
relationship with my dad. Passing on everything

01:06:16.719 –> 01:06:19.639
that he had learned to me. And then I got into

01:06:19.639 –> 01:06:22.159
theater and comedy and had a really nice theater

01:06:22.159 –> 01:06:24.699
and comedy career in Minneapolis for years. And

01:06:24.699 –> 01:06:26.800
then eventually met Bill Corbett from Mississippi

01:06:26.800 –> 01:06:29.599
Science Theater. in Rift Racks, who’s also in

01:06:29.599 –> 01:06:32.280
the film. And he asked me to start doing shows

01:06:32.280 –> 01:06:35.300
other places outside of Minneapolis. And it made

01:06:35.300 –> 01:06:38.420
me go, hey, yeah, I want to do other things and

01:06:38.420 –> 01:06:41.659
go other places. So then I moved out to LA and

01:06:41.659 –> 01:06:44.239
did a lot of stand -up and podcasts. And I did

01:06:44.239 –> 01:06:47.260
a lot of pitching. I did a lot of writing of

01:06:47.260 –> 01:06:48.559
television shows and movies and had a couple

01:06:48.559 –> 01:06:50.760
of close calls. And eventually it just got to

01:06:50.760 –> 01:06:52.579
that point of like, I used to produce theater.

01:06:52.719 –> 01:06:55.360
I used to like call up a theater and go, can

01:06:55.360 –> 01:06:58.940
I do? a show next March and then I booked the

01:06:58.940 –> 01:07:01.139
theater so I have to write the show and like

01:07:01.139 –> 01:07:05.420
I got to do that for for film. So I started doing

01:07:05.420 –> 01:07:07.760
a couple short films and trained up and then

01:07:07.760 –> 01:07:12.219
that led me to making this feature and then as

01:07:12.219 –> 01:07:14.800
I got into it I wore a lot of different hats

01:07:14.800 –> 01:07:17.039
partially because I wanted to creatively because

01:07:17.039 –> 01:07:19.079
I had all these different experiences and I it

01:07:19.079 –> 01:07:22.079
felt really good to be like I can use everything

01:07:22.079 –> 01:07:25.039
that has come before. So I did a lot of the production

01:07:25.039 –> 01:07:28.360
design. I was a writer. I was a director. I did

01:07:28.360 –> 01:07:30.900
some of the sound design. I did some of the score

01:07:30.900 –> 01:07:33.500
along with Tony Thaxton, who did a fantastic

01:07:33.500 –> 01:07:35.960
job. So anything that sounds complicated in this

01:07:35.960 –> 01:07:38.900
score is Tony. And anything else is probably

01:07:38.900 –> 01:07:42.739
me. So I wore a lot of hats out of a desire to

01:07:42.739 –> 01:07:44.599
because it’s like so fun to do all these creative

01:07:44.599 –> 01:07:46.699
things. And then there are a couple hats I put

01:07:46.699 –> 01:07:49.519
on my head because I was trying to save money.

01:07:50.800 –> 01:07:52.800
Of course. I didn’t want to be in charge of the

01:07:52.800 –> 01:07:54.880
props and costumes while we were filming, but

01:07:54.880 –> 01:07:58.079
I needed to save money somewhere, you know? Right.

01:07:58.300 –> 01:08:01.340
No, that’s awesome. I mean, it’s the DIY thing.

01:08:02.340 –> 01:08:06.199
You know, I really admire that. And I admire

01:08:06.199 –> 01:08:08.860
this too. Like you are taking this on the road

01:08:08.860 –> 01:08:12.639
yourself, right? Uh, so I signed with a production

01:08:12.639 –> 01:08:15.679
or distribution company that are brand new, uh,

01:08:15.760 –> 01:08:18.439
called antenna releasing. And so they are, they’re

01:08:18.439 –> 01:08:21.439
booking all the shows and they are paying for

01:08:21.439 –> 01:08:24.279
the travel and all that. But myself and my, uh,

01:08:24.539 –> 01:08:26.899
my, one of the executive producers in the tour

01:08:26.899 –> 01:08:29.460
production manager, uh, you know, we’re getting

01:08:29.460 –> 01:08:31.970
in the car and we’re going from place to place

01:08:31.970 –> 01:08:34.010
and talking to people and handing out the programs

01:08:34.010 –> 01:08:36.550
and so they’re booking it and it’s a presentation

01:08:36.550 –> 01:08:39.210
of antenna releasing but you know we’re doing

01:08:39.210 –> 01:08:43.529
the the work that’s yeah that’s still really

01:08:43.529 –> 01:08:47.770
cool did you guys try the like um festival route

01:08:47.770 –> 01:08:50.050
or did you just link up with them and or like

01:08:50.050 –> 01:08:54.529
let’s just do it this way yeah i i did festivals

01:08:54.529 –> 01:08:58.689
for um a couple short films and i enjoyed it

01:08:58.859 –> 01:09:01.960
But then when it came to be the feature I just

01:09:01.960 –> 01:09:05.140
like I wanted to get it out to the world in a

01:09:05.140 –> 01:09:07.439
way that would maybe possibly ever make the money

01:09:07.439 –> 01:09:11.399
back for the investors So right. I applied to

01:09:11.399 –> 01:09:13.619
festivals got into a couple and that’s how antenna

01:09:13.619 –> 01:09:16.739
releasing found me They saw a post on blue sky

01:09:16.739 –> 01:09:19.800
of me advertising That I was gonna be the nevermore

01:09:19.800 –> 01:09:22.420
film festival and they’re like, hey, we’re just

01:09:22.420 –> 01:09:24.800
a beauty company. Can we see that like sure?

01:09:25.439 –> 01:09:28.329
so Yeah, that’s I would have kept doing the festival

01:09:28.329 –> 01:09:30.569
because it’s it’s the whole artistic thing of

01:09:30.569 –> 01:09:34.149
like you um, I think of it like the the first

01:09:34.149 –> 01:09:37.329
strike in a pool table of just like I’m just

01:09:37.329 –> 01:09:39.229
trying to knock some balls around and see if

01:09:39.229 –> 01:09:42.710
they go anywhere valuable Uh, and and I got lucky.

01:09:42.770 –> 01:09:44.250
I knocked the balls around in the production

01:09:44.250 –> 01:09:46.989
or the distribution company found me That’s awesome,

01:09:47.050 –> 01:09:51.189
dude. Yeah, so then what What do you think is

01:09:51.189 –> 01:09:53.590
did you get like, uh, do you feel a cathartic

01:09:53.590 –> 01:09:55.789
release? Because you said you wanted to you know,

01:09:55.930 –> 01:09:58.529
wear all these hats because you’re primarily

01:09:58.529 –> 01:10:01.970
for like the creative passion of it all. Like,

01:10:02.010 –> 01:10:04.369
do you really feel like you scratched that itch

01:10:04.369 –> 01:10:06.689
now that it’s done? Yeah, definitely. I can’t

01:10:06.689 –> 01:10:09.689
wait to do the next one. And you guys are both

01:10:09.689 –> 01:10:13.270
filmmakers, right? Yes. Yeah. I think for me,

01:10:13.449 –> 01:10:17.109
there’s, you fuss with the details because it’s

01:10:17.109 –> 01:10:19.449
all the details that make the whole, but then

01:10:19.449 –> 01:10:20.989
you also kind of get obsessed with the details.

01:10:21.229 –> 01:10:23.670
And it’s so fun when there’s like a scene that’s

01:10:23.670 –> 01:10:27.569
just like, That delivery is perfect that sound

01:10:27.569 –> 01:10:30.050
cue comes in at the exact right moment It’s at

01:10:30.050 –> 01:10:32.789
the exactly correct volume and you’ve just like

01:10:32.789 –> 01:10:35.029
made something like Completely out of your head

01:10:35.029 –> 01:10:36.989
and now it exists and like it’s like you’re sitting

01:10:36.989 –> 01:10:38.609
there and people can see the inside of your head

01:10:38.609 –> 01:10:41.869
in a good way That’s like the most fun part for

01:10:41.869 –> 01:10:44.210
me. I’ve just like the moments that are exactly

01:10:44.210 –> 01:10:47.229
right You can see the way your face lights up

01:10:49.720 –> 01:10:52.020
That’s really great. Well, who do you see the

01:10:52.020 –> 01:10:54.640
film being for? When you were writing this, you’re

01:10:54.640 –> 01:10:57.380
like, this is my audience that I have in mind.

01:10:57.859 –> 01:11:00.420
Yeah, I knew it would appeal to people who have

01:11:00.420 –> 01:11:03.239
a deep love of physical media in general, but

01:11:03.239 –> 01:11:09.020
also particularly the DVD era. It’s kind of a

01:11:09.020 –> 01:11:10.960
dual story where you’re following a couple of

01:11:10.960 –> 01:11:12.420
older people and you’re following some younger

01:11:12.420 –> 01:11:14.760
people too. So I also hope that it spoke to younger

01:11:14.760 –> 01:11:17.239
people who feel stuck in a different way than

01:11:17.239 –> 01:11:21.029
middle -aged people. When I was younger, I definitely

01:11:21.029 –> 01:11:23.670
went and did things, but I also feel like I wish

01:11:23.670 –> 01:11:26.270
I had done more. And I think a lot of young people

01:11:26.270 –> 01:11:28.970
in particular can have that sort of fear of like,

01:11:29.170 –> 01:11:31.149
well, I’d like to take a first step, but what

01:11:31.149 –> 01:11:32.909
if I do it wrong and everybody laughs at me kind

01:11:32.909 –> 01:11:37.149
of thing? So the younger generation in the film

01:11:37.149 –> 01:11:39.430
is going through a little bit of that. So the

01:11:39.430 –> 01:11:42.390
younger folks who have seen it have successfully

01:11:42.390 –> 01:11:46.550
related to the younger folks. Yeah, so that I

01:11:46.550 –> 01:11:48.369
think that’s the kind of the audience and definitely

01:11:48.369 –> 01:11:50.250
a horror audience and I hope a little bit of

01:11:50.250 –> 01:11:52.449
an indie film audience because I I do really

01:11:52.449 –> 01:11:54.689
care about like the the ideas that I think the

01:11:54.689 –> 01:11:56.689
film is really rewarding to people who are like

01:11:56.689 –> 01:11:59.470
Wanna want to sink into it and analyze it and

01:11:59.470 –> 01:12:02.909
that kind of thing? Yeah, well, here’s a question

01:12:02.909 –> 01:12:05.750
is working with antenna Maybe maybe it’s too

01:12:05.750 –> 01:12:07.789
soon to say this but because it’s like a love

01:12:07.789 –> 01:12:11.149
letter to physical media Is there a plan for

01:12:11.149 –> 01:12:13.029
it to come out on blu -ray or DVD or anything

01:12:13.029 –> 01:12:16.319
like that? It’s in the contract. Yeah. Oh, yeah,

01:12:16.319 –> 01:12:19.840
man. Well done. That’s yeah Yeah, cuz one of

01:12:19.840 –> 01:12:22.420
the founders of antenna releasing his name Brian

01:12:22.420 –> 01:12:26.300
Varell and he hosts the the disconnected Podcast

01:12:26.300 –> 01:12:29.020
and social media site and he’s just like why

01:12:29.020 –> 01:12:31.800
he is gonna die buried under a pile of blu -rays

01:12:31.800 –> 01:12:35.840
that fall on him kind of guy So in there, they’re

01:12:35.840 –> 01:12:37.500
picking up lots of films for distribution, but

01:12:37.500 –> 01:12:40.039
they’re not doing physical media for all of them

01:12:40.380 –> 01:12:42.800
And they’re like, yeah, of course. We’d be ashamed

01:12:42.800 –> 01:12:46.739
if we didn’t do physical media. You know, it’s

01:12:46.739 –> 01:12:51.560
interesting, guys, since I started the Instagram

01:12:51.560 –> 01:12:54.000
for the podcast and I’ve been, you know, following

01:12:54.000 –> 01:12:55.899
people and kind of like learning the lay of the

01:12:55.899 –> 01:12:59.539
land and this world. And I was surprised to see

01:12:59.539 –> 01:13:02.699
how many lovers of physical media there are and

01:13:02.699 –> 01:13:05.260
how many accounts are dedicated to it. Like,

01:13:05.340 –> 01:13:08.239
it’s crazy. And how there’s such a crossover

01:13:08.239 –> 01:13:11.000
with horror too. Have you noticed that? Oh yeah,

01:13:11.140 –> 01:13:14.380
I think a lot of people’s really foundational

01:13:14.380 –> 01:13:20.760
memories of video stores in VHS is that random

01:13:20.760 –> 01:13:23.779
VHS that has a half -naked werewolf on it and

01:13:23.779 –> 01:13:25.239
nobody knows what it is or if it’s good, but

01:13:25.239 –> 01:13:28.680
you just pick it up and you find out. a lot of

01:13:28.680 –> 01:13:31.260
younger folks who weren’t alive in like the heyday

01:13:31.260 –> 01:13:33.960
of video stores seem to have really connected

01:13:33.960 –> 01:13:37.600
into the romance of that and are like Going to

01:13:37.600 –> 01:13:40.140
like fairs and pop -ups that sell physical media

01:13:40.140 –> 01:13:42.659
and they’re kind of having that experience Now

01:13:42.659 –> 01:13:45.800
of like I’m gonna buy an old $15 VHS. That’s

01:13:45.800 –> 01:13:50.720
you know called ghost walk I don’t know what

01:13:50.720 –> 01:13:52.680
this is is what does it mean? I’m gonna buy it.

01:13:52.680 –> 01:13:56.260
It’s the covers weird. It’s Oh, it’s funny. I

01:13:56.260 –> 01:13:58.220
have a friend and we talk about this because

01:13:58.220 –> 01:14:01.000
he collects a lot of physical media and he’s

01:14:01.000 –> 01:14:02.720
like, yeah, you can’t own it if you stream it

01:14:02.720 –> 01:14:04.659
and stuff. And I’m like, well, I kind of hope

01:14:04.659 –> 01:14:07.319
the streaming thing implodes so we do get video

01:14:07.319 –> 01:14:10.640
stores again. Like that’s what I think the silver

01:14:10.640 –> 01:14:14.460
lining of that going off the rails is. Oh, yeah.

01:14:14.560 –> 01:14:16.600
I mean, when you’re a kid man on Friday night,

01:14:16.600 –> 01:14:19.239
at least for me, it was like you had the blockbuster

01:14:19.239 –> 01:14:21.659
or if you’re lucky to have a better video store

01:14:21.659 –> 01:14:24.220
near you and you just, you know, you get a bunch

01:14:24.220 –> 01:14:27.819
of You know if VHS is or do you at that time

01:14:27.819 –> 01:14:30.760
is VHS? You come home you order a pizza and they’re

01:14:30.760 –> 01:14:32.579
like you and your friends and you’re like it

01:14:32.579 –> 01:14:35.319
was it was like a magical memory for me at least

01:14:35.319 –> 01:14:37.380
yeah, no, absolutely and I think that’s what’s

01:14:37.380 –> 01:14:39.880
coming across a lot is that I think there’s a

01:14:39.880 –> 01:14:41.899
there’s a community to it because almost everybody’s

01:14:41.899 –> 01:14:45.340
memory of it is they sort of go to a third place

01:14:45.340 –> 01:14:49.270
and or have you know, a party relationship with

01:14:49.270 –> 01:14:52.170
other people around it. And people can have streaming

01:14:52.170 –> 01:14:54.470
parties and all that. But I think that all so

01:14:54.470 –> 01:14:55.850
many of the memories that I hear about has been

01:14:55.850 –> 01:14:59.109
talking about this movie is here’s who I went

01:14:59.109 –> 01:15:01.250
to the store with. And like, there’s a power

01:15:01.250 –> 01:15:05.130
in that. And there’s a power in that. We physically

01:15:05.130 –> 01:15:06.970
got this thing and we had it for a limited time

01:15:06.970 –> 01:15:09.010
and it’s tangible and it’s real. And I think

01:15:09.010 –> 01:15:12.909
it’s really a proof of some of the things that

01:15:12.909 –> 01:15:14.489
we’re struggling with in terms of kind of feeling

01:15:14.489 –> 01:15:17.829
alienated by the way technology has become sort

01:15:17.829 –> 01:15:22.850
of flat and distant in our lives. Did you work

01:15:22.850 –> 01:15:25.329
at a video store by chance? Because I worked

01:15:25.329 –> 01:15:29.890
at two of them and it was as fun as you might

01:15:29.890 –> 01:15:33.229
think it would be. Yeah, I would have loved to.

01:15:34.010 –> 01:15:36.270
So I grew up in Minneapolis, and that’s where

01:15:36.270 –> 01:15:39.470
the film is set, and where we shot it, and for

01:15:39.470 –> 01:15:42.069
a while there was a really great, well, it was

01:15:42.069 –> 01:15:43.569
a Hollywood video, but I thought it was really

01:15:43.569 –> 01:15:46.029
great. That was, like, right outside my apartment

01:15:46.029 –> 01:15:48.130
door. It was, like, about 40 feet, so I was like,

01:15:48.170 –> 01:15:50.369
it was amazing! And that’s when I had a lot of

01:15:50.369 –> 01:15:54.329
my really great experiences. Yeah, the video

01:15:54.329 –> 01:15:56.470
show, even when they closed down, it was kind

01:15:56.470 –> 01:15:58.609
of great, not to see them go, but because all

01:15:58.609 –> 01:16:00.630
the things were, like, on sale for very cheap.

01:16:01.069 –> 01:16:04.770
Mm -hmm, but what I was gonna say is like one

01:16:04.770 –> 01:16:06.789
of the things that I really appreciate about

01:16:06.789 –> 01:16:09.909
video stores is When you would pick a movie you

01:16:09.909 –> 01:16:12.149
committed to it, you know, it’s not like you’re

01:16:12.149 –> 01:16:14.529
streaming and you spend like 45 minutes You know,

01:16:14.529 –> 01:16:16.550
you’re just like well, I’m taking this home and

01:16:16.550 –> 01:16:20.890
this is it, you know, like yeah that I appreciate

01:16:20.890 –> 01:16:23.430
that I think that’s a huge difference with streaming

01:16:23.430 –> 01:16:26.189
because I think streaming is set up to encourage

01:16:26.189 –> 01:16:29.880
you to Consume quickly do not digest consume

01:16:29.880 –> 01:16:32.039
report your opinion to move on because literally

01:16:32.039 –> 01:16:33.619
what happens at the end of streaming is a thing

01:16:33.619 –> 01:16:36.279
pops up Did you like it or not hit the button

01:16:36.279 –> 01:16:39.560
and we will not let you watch the credits, you

01:16:39.560 –> 01:16:41.560
know You will never know who the gaffer was on

01:16:41.560 –> 01:16:44.119
this streaming film and it’s the entire opposite

01:16:44.119 –> 01:16:46.920
of like This was my whole Friday night. I picked

01:16:46.920 –> 01:16:50.000
it out I’m gonna try like hell to find the value

01:16:50.000 –> 01:16:52.399
in what I just watched and I’m gonna look at

01:16:52.399 –> 01:16:55.310
the box art and I’m gonna sit in like actually

01:16:55.310 –> 01:16:58.630
slow down and digest this. Maybe if there’s a

01:16:58.630 –> 01:17:00.949
part that I wasn’t sure about, maybe I’ll just

01:17:00.949 –> 01:17:04.010
even rewind and rewatch it. And it’s just a totally

01:17:04.010 –> 01:17:06.850
different attitude of value it, spend time for

01:17:06.850 –> 01:17:09.409
it, look for the value in it instead of just

01:17:09.409 –> 01:17:12.869
move on. For sure. And you know, that’s a really

01:17:12.869 –> 01:17:16.010
good point because I know that, you know, I would

01:17:16.010 –> 01:17:18.250
even, you usually had him for a few days and

01:17:18.250 –> 01:17:21.050
you know, we didn’t have unlimited media like.

01:17:21.050 –> 01:17:23.090
Streaming platforms or whatever on our fingertips.

01:17:23.130 –> 01:17:24.829
So like what do you do is you go and watch it

01:17:24.829 –> 01:17:27.649
again perhaps or You know, let someone borrow

01:17:27.649 –> 01:17:31.649
it or you know, like you spent more time Contemplating

01:17:31.649 –> 01:17:34.489
the film that you had than you you do with streaming.

01:17:34.750 –> 01:17:37.329
Mm -hmm It’s it’s also like yeah, don’t judge

01:17:37.329 –> 01:17:40.289
a book by a cover But you judge these videos

01:17:40.289 –> 01:17:41.989
by their cover because they were fucking cool

01:17:41.989 –> 01:17:45.569
looking and with with streaming it’s like a thumbnail

01:17:45.569 –> 01:17:49.159
and and posters are all like formulaic now, you

01:17:49.159 –> 01:17:50.500
know what I mean? They all kind of look the same

01:17:50.500 –> 01:17:53.439
and it sucks. I miss all that. If you see the

01:17:53.439 –> 01:17:55.819
poster at all, where do you even see a poster

01:17:55.819 –> 01:17:58.819
these days? Yeah, I think that’s another big

01:17:58.819 –> 01:18:02.300
thing too. Some television shows have certainly

01:18:02.300 –> 01:18:05.520
hit, but streaming films, even smaller films

01:18:05.520 –> 01:18:07.739
that get picked up, there’ll be films where everyone

01:18:07.739 –> 01:18:10.260
I know talks about it for a week. Because, hey,

01:18:10.359 –> 01:18:11.880
this amazing film dropped on Hulu, you gotta

01:18:11.880 –> 01:18:14.029
check it out. And then you don’t ever hear about

01:18:14.029 –> 01:18:15.890
it again. And I think that’s because it’s not

01:18:15.890 –> 01:18:18.210
tangible. It doesn’t exist in the world. Taff,

01:18:18.229 –> 01:18:21.409
I know you’re a big Batman fan. And I really

01:18:21.409 –> 01:18:24.470
like Batman, you know, the animated series. I

01:18:24.470 –> 01:18:26.590
went to McDonald’s when I wouldn’t have because

01:18:26.590 –> 01:18:28.550
they were one of the first places to have Batman

01:18:28.550 –> 01:18:31.449
the animated series toys and like I’m gonna get

01:18:31.449 –> 01:18:34.569
a Robin and he’s in I did and he was physically

01:18:34.569 –> 01:18:38.569
in my life and That is what something I think

01:18:38.569 –> 01:18:40.250
we’re really missing with streaming too is even

01:18:40.250 –> 01:18:42.229
if something comes out and you love it It’s hard

01:18:42.229 –> 01:18:44.699
to bring it into your life Yeah, having the actual

01:18:44.699 –> 01:18:46.460
tangible thing is definitely something I think

01:18:46.460 –> 01:18:48.899
is what the generations that are coming up are

01:18:48.899 –> 01:18:50.880
missing. So you’re right to where like, it does

01:18:50.880 –> 01:18:52.479
just kind of fade away because out of sight,

01:18:52.479 –> 01:18:54.840
out of mind, if you don’t have it anywhere in

01:18:54.840 –> 01:18:57.899
sight, then who fucking cares, right? Yeah, exactly.

01:18:58.380 –> 01:19:01.460
Well, Joseph, to get back to your movie, Dead

01:19:01.460 –> 01:19:04.539
Media, you mentioned Wicker Man and Saw. Were

01:19:04.539 –> 01:19:07.920
those influences or were you going for, after

01:19:07.920 –> 01:19:09.260
you filmed it, you’re like, wait a minute, this

01:19:09.260 –> 01:19:11.680
kind of has some of that, or what were the influences

01:19:11.680 –> 01:19:15.039
of, you know, directors or films that like you

01:19:15.039 –> 01:19:18.420
were trying to I guess pay tribute to maybe or

01:19:18.420 –> 01:19:21.579
Yeah, there are there is some touch points for

01:19:21.579 –> 01:19:24.680
very specific elements I’m really big fan of

01:19:24.680 –> 01:19:27.880
the Universal Horror Monsters And I think that’s

01:19:27.880 –> 01:19:29.619
where some of the little bit of the creepy like

01:19:29.619 –> 01:19:33.960
I just think the the 1931 Dracula is an imperfect

01:19:33.960 –> 01:19:37.199
film and a lot of people feel like Well, it’s

01:19:37.199 –> 01:19:39.880
not it’s not as good as Frankenstein or Bride

01:19:39.880 –> 01:19:42.439
of Frankenstein or the Invisible Man or the Mummy

01:19:42.439 –> 01:19:45.640
and like yeah, but it is the touchstone horror

01:19:45.640 –> 01:19:49.220
film for a reason, you know, it was the ground

01:19:49.220 –> 01:19:51.640
zero explosion of kind of what we think of as

01:19:51.640 –> 01:19:54.359
gothic and a lot of that is just bail his eyes

01:19:54.359 –> 01:19:57.699
and fingers. So I was like really inspired by

01:19:57.699 –> 01:20:02.319
that power of just like the torture and the strangeness

01:20:02.319 –> 01:20:05.340
in his eyes. So that was an influence for the

01:20:05.340 –> 01:20:09.479
monsters. There’s some stuff in the film that

01:20:09.479 –> 01:20:12.399
is about what are the rules of these monsters?

01:20:12.560 –> 01:20:14.079
What are the rules of this world? And I think

01:20:14.079 –> 01:20:16.079
that was a big Scream influence, because Scream

01:20:16.079 –> 01:20:19.520
is probably my favorite horror franchise. Oh,

01:20:19.560 –> 01:20:21.600
fun. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, those are the kind of

01:20:21.600 –> 01:20:23.260
a couple touch points. Other than that, I just

01:20:23.260 –> 01:20:28.760
like, I really want to try to just listen to

01:20:28.760 –> 01:20:32.060
my gut and make something that is hopefully unique.

01:20:33.079 –> 01:20:35.460
And certainly things are going to come out that

01:20:35.609 –> 01:20:37.989
I’m a huge fan of like David Lynch and the Coen

01:20:37.989 –> 01:20:41.010
brothers. I’m sort of marinated in them. So that’s

01:20:41.010 –> 01:20:43.750
going to come out sometimes. And after the fact,

01:20:43.810 –> 01:20:46.109
I can be like, oh, I didn’t see that when I was

01:20:46.109 –> 01:20:49.430
making it. But I feel like a lot of the creators

01:20:49.430 –> 01:20:52.649
I like are people who really try to make something

01:20:52.649 –> 01:20:57.149
unique. So I really want to try to be, you know,

01:20:57.289 –> 01:20:59.430
unique rather than go in and go, this is my Raimi

01:20:59.430 –> 01:21:01.430
shot. This is my Carpenter shot. This is my,

01:21:01.609 –> 01:21:05.510
you know. Fair enough. Let’s drill down on your

01:21:05.510 –> 01:21:09.449
writing a little bit Did you kind of talked a

01:21:09.449 –> 01:21:10.630
little bit about where the concept of the story

01:21:10.630 –> 01:21:13.609
came from but did it? Was it so crystallized

01:21:13.609 –> 01:21:14.930
in your head that you were able to just kind

01:21:14.930 –> 01:21:17.329
of like crank out a vomit draft real quickly

01:21:17.329 –> 01:21:19.149
or was this something that you kind of like put

01:21:19.149 –> 01:21:21.850
together over time and You know, maybe had 15

01:21:21.850 –> 01:21:25.069
drafts of how did it come to be? Yeah, so I had

01:21:25.069 –> 01:21:28.930
the basic idea of the relationship between the

01:21:28.930 –> 01:21:33.869
uncle and the niece and the DVD And I had a really

01:21:33.869 –> 01:21:37.170
great idea of where it ends like what it’s about

01:21:37.170 –> 01:21:39.789
where it ends So I feel like I knew the what?

01:21:40.489 –> 01:21:43.630
But I didn’t know that how of like, okay Well,

01:21:43.630 –> 01:21:45.510
how are all of these things going to how am I

01:21:45.510 –> 01:21:47.210
going to get to that end from where I want to

01:21:47.210 –> 01:21:49.810
start? And there’s a weekend where my wife is

01:21:49.810 –> 01:21:53.050
out of town and I prefer to write Fast when I

01:21:53.050 –> 01:21:55.670
can just have time off and stay in that world

01:21:55.670 –> 01:21:58.430
So I wrote the first draft in like four days

01:21:58.430 –> 01:22:01.539
and then spent a lot of time revising and drilling

01:22:01.539 –> 01:22:07.479
down and perfecting. Now that you’ve written

01:22:07.479 –> 01:22:14.220
it, filmed it, edited it, that sort of arc or

01:22:14.220 –> 01:22:16.840
the journey of taking it from script to screen

01:22:16.840 –> 01:22:19.960
is really, for those who haven’t done it before,

01:22:20.060 –> 01:22:23.779
is a really interesting process to see how the

01:22:23.779 –> 01:22:25.979
original idea kind of adapts and changes throughout

01:22:25.979 –> 01:22:29.289
the process and I’m wondering How that went for

01:22:29.289 –> 01:22:31.010
you and like, do you have any thoughts about

01:22:31.010 –> 01:22:33.569
that? And like, do you see the final product

01:22:33.569 –> 01:22:35.630
as being close to what you initially envisioned

01:22:35.630 –> 01:22:39.750
or what changed, if anything? Yeah, I think honestly,

01:22:39.909 –> 01:22:42.630
like some of it is the speed that we had to film

01:22:42.630 –> 01:22:46.369
it in because of money. We shot it in 14 days

01:22:46.369 –> 01:22:49.489
and it was really, really fast. And there are

01:22:49.489 –> 01:22:52.270
lots of scenes where like I got the shot exactly

01:22:52.270 –> 01:22:54.090
the shots I needed. And there are things like

01:22:54.090 –> 01:22:57.149
we got a half hour left and we need this scene

01:22:57.149 –> 01:23:00.010
and a half, so we have to move fast. So I think

01:23:00.010 –> 01:23:04.229
what was really challenging but ultimately rewarding

01:23:04.229 –> 01:23:07.390
is looking at the footage and going, I know exactly

01:23:07.390 –> 01:23:09.729
what I want this scene to be and what I want

01:23:09.729 –> 01:23:11.949
it to feel like. In some scenes, I have the footage

01:23:11.949 –> 01:23:14.369
and I just go boop, boop, boop. And there you

01:23:14.369 –> 01:23:17.409
go, there it is. And other scenes like, I need

01:23:17.409 –> 01:23:19.130
to get in here and wrestle with this footage

01:23:19.130 –> 01:23:23.090
to make it feel the way I want it to feel. And

01:23:23.090 –> 01:23:26.710
so I think, again, the how, the what didn’t change,

01:23:26.729 –> 01:23:29.489
but the how did when it’s just dealing with the

01:23:29.489 –> 01:23:31.909
realities of indie filmmaking when you have to

01:23:31.909 –> 01:23:34.510
work on a limited budget. Right. So do you feel

01:23:34.510 –> 01:23:36.229
like it’s pretty close though, closely aligned

01:23:36.229 –> 01:23:38.850
to your original vision? Yeah. Yeah. And I think

01:23:38.850 –> 01:23:42.670
there’s such an, there’s an alchemy to all art,

01:23:42.710 –> 01:23:44.989
but I think there’s so many different elements

01:23:44.989 –> 01:23:49.470
of filmmaking that you can do, you can plan and

01:23:49.470 –> 01:23:51.270
do everything exactly perfect. And it’s just

01:23:51.270 –> 01:23:53.970
sort of like, is it an alchemy that magically

01:23:53.970 –> 01:23:57.069
becomes more than the sum of its parts. And I

01:23:57.069 –> 01:23:59.510
feel like for myself, and obviously audiences

01:23:59.510 –> 01:24:01.229
get to decide what they think, but I feel like

01:24:01.229 –> 01:24:05.130
for myself, I really like it when a film starts

01:24:05.130 –> 01:24:07.350
and there are lots of things you could maybe

01:24:07.350 –> 01:24:10.250
compare it to, but it’s got its own mood. And

01:24:10.250 –> 01:24:12.369
for me, one of my favorite feelings in the world

01:24:12.369 –> 01:24:15.649
is I finish a film, and I like that feeling,

01:24:15.789 –> 01:24:17.850
and I can think of seven other things it’s kind

01:24:17.850 –> 01:24:21.119
of like. But nothing in the world is exactly

01:24:21.119 –> 01:24:24.420
like that. And I think for myself, I feel like

01:24:24.420 –> 01:24:27.300
I got close to that with this of like, it’s got

01:24:27.300 –> 01:24:30.199
a unique vibe. It’s got a unique mixture of combinations.

01:24:30.300 –> 01:24:32.779
So I was really happy with that. I should say

01:24:32.779 –> 01:24:34.420
I was really happy with that artistically and

01:24:34.420 –> 01:24:42.239
then terrified of it marketing -wise. When I

01:24:42.239 –> 01:24:45.140
was looking it up, I saw Joe Lynch was one of

01:24:45.140 –> 01:24:48.140
the producers. He seems like he’s everywhere,

01:24:49.279 –> 01:24:51.560
suitable flesh, but I was like, oh shit, that’s

01:24:51.560 –> 01:24:54.920
cool. How did you end up working with him? Yeah,

01:24:55.119 –> 01:24:57.539
so one of the producers on the film is a man

01:24:57.539 –> 01:25:00.479
named Vinnie Rutherford, who was the producer

01:25:00.479 –> 01:25:03.880
of Attack of the Show on G4 for many years. So

01:25:03.880 –> 01:25:06.159
he has been getting interested in doing more

01:25:06.159 –> 01:25:08.399
narrative stuff and we’ve been friends for a

01:25:08.399 –> 01:25:10.140
while I was like, hey, I sent him an email I

01:25:10.140 –> 01:25:12.819
was like I’m getting along in this process of

01:25:12.819 –> 01:25:14.619
raising money and doing the pre -production and

01:25:14.619 –> 01:25:16.239
I could really use some help Can you recommend

01:25:16.239 –> 01:25:18.909
some people to do X Y & Z and he’s like I would

01:25:18.909 –> 01:25:21.390
like to do those things.” Like, great. Go ahead

01:25:21.390 –> 01:25:24.050
and do them. And one of the things he did is

01:25:24.050 –> 01:25:25.649
he had a relationship with Joe Lynch because

01:25:25.649 –> 01:25:28.149
Joe had worked on Attack of the Show. And so

01:25:28.149 –> 01:25:30.149
he put Joe and I together, gave Joe the script,

01:25:30.529 –> 01:25:33.890
and Joe was very nice to give me some great advice.

01:25:34.210 –> 01:25:37.850
He suggested the woman who plays the lead, the

01:25:37.850 –> 01:25:39.970
troubled young woman. Heard the actress’s name

01:25:39.970 –> 01:25:41.989
was Sam and Jack Martensack, who Joe had worked

01:25:41.989 –> 01:25:44.189
with. And Joe was just really nice to like…

01:25:44.170 –> 01:25:47.069
put early, fairly early on, put his name on it

01:25:47.069 –> 01:25:49.010
so when we were approaching different people

01:25:49.010 –> 01:25:51.609
they’re like, oh, we know that name, this is

01:25:51.609 –> 01:25:55.029
for real, this is not just some guy. Right on,

01:25:55.050 –> 01:25:57.449
that’s awesome. Yeah, he’s very, very kind of

01:25:57.449 –> 01:25:59.369
him and he’s very happy with how it turned out,

01:25:59.649 –> 01:26:03.149
so yeah, we, he took a chance on me and it really

01:26:03.149 –> 01:26:09.170
worked out. That’s cool, man. What was casting?

01:26:09.680 –> 01:26:11.960
like for you? Did people come in at like the

01:26:11.960 –> 01:26:13.720
last minute like he went through like a bunch

01:26:13.720 –> 01:26:15.439
of and you’re like I’m never gonna find the right

01:26:15.439 –> 01:26:19.359
person and then or did you find no people right

01:26:19.359 –> 01:26:21.800
for the rules immediately or how did you approach

01:26:21.800 –> 01:26:25.020
all that? Yeah it was a real mix because I knew

01:26:25.020 –> 01:26:27.279
I wanted to film it in Minneapolis because the

01:26:27.980 –> 01:26:30.380
This story kind of grew from some of my time

01:26:30.380 –> 01:26:33.060
in Minneapolis And I had specific friends that

01:26:33.060 –> 01:26:34.779
I knew from the theater community that I wanted

01:26:34.779 –> 01:26:38.159
to work with so the the uncle It was written

01:26:38.159 –> 01:26:39.640
for him. That was one of the first things I did

01:26:39.640 –> 01:26:41.539
is reach out to him and go if I’m gonna do this

01:26:41.539 –> 01:26:44.060
I want to know if you’re on board I remember

01:26:44.060 –> 01:26:46.600
being at LAX at Barney’s Beanery and I texted

01:26:46.600 –> 01:26:47.920
him was like I’m coming to Minneapolis and I

01:26:47.920 –> 01:26:50.020
have something to talk to you about and that

01:26:50.020 –> 01:26:52.149
was the real beginning of the project before

01:26:52.149 –> 01:26:53.989
you even wrote the script. So like him, one of

01:26:53.989 –> 01:26:56.489
the other characters, several of the characters.

01:26:56.890 –> 01:26:59.130
Basically anyone over 35 is an old theater friend

01:26:59.130 –> 01:27:01.090
of mine that I know extremely well and was very,

01:27:01.090 –> 01:27:03.989
very easy to cast. And then anyone under 35,

01:27:04.029 –> 01:27:07.430
I was like, oh shit, because I had got real cocky

01:27:07.430 –> 01:27:09.369
about like, I have so many connections in Minneapolis.

01:27:09.449 –> 01:27:11.270
I know the entire theater community. I kind of

01:27:11.270 –> 01:27:13.510
forgot I’d been gone for 10 years. And it’s like,

01:27:13.670 –> 01:27:18.640
I know no one under the age of 35. So I… went

01:27:18.640 –> 01:27:22.859
to Minneapolis myself and asked advice from older

01:27:22.859 –> 01:27:25.100
theater pals, like who’s great, who’s young,

01:27:25.140 –> 01:27:29.920
I’m looking for these kind of folks. And I held

01:27:29.920 –> 01:27:32.500
auditions and recorded people on my phone and

01:27:32.500 –> 01:27:35.119
I got really lucky to find some really good people,

01:27:35.640 –> 01:27:37.699
very young who are really good actors and just

01:27:37.699 –> 01:27:39.840
really already had the vibe of the character,

01:27:40.760 –> 01:27:44.180
just kind of naturally. So I got really lucky

01:27:44.180 –> 01:27:45.560
in that respect, but some of them were pretty

01:27:45.560 –> 01:27:49.359
close. It’s scary to think about now of like,

01:27:49.680 –> 01:27:53.140
I almost didn’t have Daniel. If that guy didn’t

01:27:53.140 –> 01:27:56.920
walk in, I’d have been screwed, you know? So

01:27:56.920 –> 01:27:59.619
living in LA and working here in the entertainment

01:27:59.619 –> 01:28:02.279
industry, and then going back to Minnesota to

01:28:02.279 –> 01:28:05.859
make your film, what do you think the pros and

01:28:05.859 –> 01:28:09.520
cons were to working outside of Hollywood in

01:28:09.520 –> 01:28:13.609
a more regional market? like that, so to speak.

01:28:14.329 –> 01:28:16.890
And were there advantages, disadvantages? Like,

01:28:16.970 –> 01:28:21.170
did it, any thoughts on that? Yeah, I think for

01:28:21.170 –> 01:28:23.270
me there was an advantage of being in Minneapolis

01:28:23.270 –> 01:28:25.409
just because I had the relationships and I had

01:28:25.409 –> 01:28:27.890
lots of different people I could call on for

01:28:27.890 –> 01:28:31.229
help. There’s a couple of restaurants that are

01:28:31.229 –> 01:28:33.670
featured in the film and I was like, hey, I want

01:28:33.670 –> 01:28:36.819
your logo in the film anyway. And if one of the

01:28:36.819 –> 01:28:38.479
main characters wears your logo as a t -shirt

01:28:38.479 –> 01:28:41.220
for the whole film, will you give us free food

01:28:41.220 –> 01:28:43.159
some days? And like, so I had those kinds of

01:28:43.159 –> 01:28:44.380
deals that were easy to work out because I had

01:28:44.380 –> 01:28:47.239
a relationship in Minneapolis. Yeah. Yeah. And

01:28:47.239 –> 01:28:50.229
then the on the technical side of it. I already

01:28:50.229 –> 01:28:52.270
had a relationship from a short film with the

01:28:52.270 –> 01:28:55.229
cinematographer Matias Schubert and the the woman

01:28:55.229 –> 01:28:58.550
who did hair and makeup Claire Magnus and their

01:28:58.550 –> 01:29:00.810
kind of whole crew so some of the people came

01:29:00.810 –> 01:29:04.250
in from LA and then Minneapolis has a deep bench

01:29:04.250 –> 01:29:10.430
of of on on camera both talent and crew you know

01:29:10.430 –> 01:29:11.949
there was a heyday of films being made there

01:29:11.949 –> 01:29:13.949
in the 90s with the Mighty Ducks and Untamed

01:29:13.949 –> 01:29:17.340
Heart and Grumpy Old Men and all that but A couple

01:29:17.340 –> 01:29:20.479
of huge corporations are based in Minnesota General

01:29:20.479 –> 01:29:23.600
Mills and Target and 3M are all that they’re

01:29:23.600 –> 01:29:28.380
that’s where they the corporate They exist so

01:29:28.380 –> 01:29:32.539
yeah endless endless like when I when I lived

01:29:32.539 –> 01:29:35.159
there was acting everyone owned a blue shirt

01:29:35.159 –> 01:29:37.680
to audition for Best Buy industrials in a red

01:29:37.680 –> 01:29:40.460
shirt to audition for Target industrials, so

01:29:40.460 –> 01:29:43.619
like like Yeah, there was kind of like the first

01:29:43.619 –> 01:29:45.199
day was rocky because like everybody was doing

01:29:45.199 –> 01:29:47.479
some massive massive Best Buy shoot out in the

01:29:47.479 –> 01:29:48.920
woods in northern Minnesota and they’re like,

01:29:49.039 –> 01:29:50.399
okay All right. All right. We’re done with the

01:29:50.399 –> 01:29:52.579
woods So a lot of really talented people there

01:29:52.579 –> 01:29:55.220
and the the crew the two -person team who did

01:29:55.220 –> 01:29:57.500
the monster makeup and the practical effects

01:29:57.500 –> 01:30:00.039
are based in Minnesota and they’re also the people

01:30:00.039 –> 01:30:03.699
who did The the two frog man indie films they

01:30:03.699 –> 01:30:06.159
made frog man if people are familiar with frog

01:30:06.159 –> 01:30:08.800
man So they’re based in in Minnesota and absolutely

01:30:08.800 –> 01:30:14.659
fantastic Cool. Here’s one for you. Having been

01:30:14.659 –> 01:30:17.720
through the process with this, if you had to

01:30:17.720 –> 01:30:20.899
do it again, what are some takeaways, lessons,

01:30:21.260 –> 01:30:23.039
shortcuts, hacks, things that you’re like, okay,

01:30:23.579 –> 01:30:27.220
next movie I make, I gotta do this? Does anything

01:30:27.220 –> 01:30:31.380
come to mind? Yeah, I mean, artistically in the

01:30:31.380 –> 01:30:37.380
way I shoot it, I think there is some time for

01:30:37.380 –> 01:30:39.979
removing fast and we defaulted to master and

01:30:39.979 –> 01:30:42.739
I’m not a huge fan of master shots. It’s the

01:30:42.739 –> 01:30:45.820
safe way to make sure you’ve got the scene. But

01:30:45.820 –> 01:30:47.739
every scene where we went through and I had a

01:30:47.739 –> 01:30:49.199
list of like, well, here’s all the weird shots

01:30:49.199 –> 01:30:50.640
that out of the scene. Those are the ones that

01:30:50.640 –> 01:30:52.939
were like, this is so easy to make feel the way

01:30:52.939 –> 01:30:54.819
I want to. And some of the ones were moving fast

01:30:54.819 –> 01:30:56.619
and we sort of defaulted to let’s be smart. Let’s

01:30:56.619 –> 01:30:59.000
be safe. Let’s do masters were the ones where

01:30:59.000 –> 01:31:00.819
it was harder to make it feel the way I wanted

01:31:00.819 –> 01:31:02.579
to. So artistically, I kind of took away the

01:31:02.579 –> 01:31:07.100
like, yeah, safety isn’t everything. You’re trying

01:31:07.100 –> 01:31:10.159
to make art, you know? And then besides that,

01:31:10.239 –> 01:31:13.800
almost everything is just like some stuff I knew

01:31:13.800 –> 01:31:16.479
how to do. A lot of stuff I knew just enough

01:31:16.479 –> 01:31:21.100
to be dangerous. So now I know Everything that’s

01:31:21.100 –> 01:31:23.100
going to come up so I can sequence it better

01:31:23.100 –> 01:31:28.220
and leave time for it in a better way and things

01:31:28.220 –> 01:31:30.979
like that so I think it’s mostly just like I

01:31:30.979 –> 01:31:33.300
can do a lot of planning way way better and I

01:31:33.300 –> 01:31:36.279
I’m so itching to do it again to be like and

01:31:36.279 –> 01:31:39.319
this time I’m gonna know about that form I have

01:31:39.319 –> 01:31:40.939
to fill out and I’m gonna fill it out three months

01:31:40.939 –> 01:31:45.409
ahead of time instead of having a panic So I’m

01:31:45.409 –> 01:31:48.909
curious, you don’t have to answer this if you

01:31:48.909 –> 01:31:51.909
don’t want, but we are a podcast that in theory

01:31:51.909 –> 01:31:56.909
is like kind of directed more at, you know, independent

01:31:56.909 –> 01:32:01.090
filmmakers who love horror in comics and in storytellers

01:32:01.090 –> 01:32:03.649
of all variety. But so sometimes we like to kind

01:32:03.649 –> 01:32:04.949
of get a little more than nuts and bolts. And

01:32:04.949 –> 01:32:06.729
this is obviously a common question at every

01:32:06.729 –> 01:32:10.489
Q &A across America. Can you talk about the budget

01:32:10.489 –> 01:32:13.050
and how you raised that at all or give any insight

01:32:13.050 –> 01:32:15.010
to people who might be in a similar situation

01:32:15.010 –> 01:32:16.710
as you? Yeah, yeah. No, I don’t mind talking

01:32:16.710 –> 01:32:18.310
about it all. I think people should. I think

01:32:18.310 –> 01:32:20.350
that’s one of the other things that I got out

01:32:20.350 –> 01:32:24.489
of this is I want to give advice to anybody who

01:32:24.489 –> 01:32:27.069
wants it because that it was hard to find people

01:32:27.069 –> 01:32:31.149
sometimes to give advice because we’re all baked

01:32:31.149 –> 01:32:33.670
in, you know, let’s watch a video of Christopher

01:32:33.670 –> 01:32:35.430
Nolan talking about art and that’s great. But

01:32:35.430 –> 01:32:37.310
then you get into the middle of it like, but

01:32:37.310 –> 01:32:40.529
Christopher Nolan, how do I budget for crafty?

01:32:41.029 –> 01:32:45.409
The practical stuff. So the the budget for this

01:32:45.409 –> 01:32:48.689
was ended up being around 290 ,000. And I it

01:32:48.689 –> 01:32:51.590
had to be under 300 ,000 for to keep the SAG

01:32:51.590 –> 01:32:55.859
contract at the the lower rate. and because they

01:32:55.859 –> 01:32:58.140
could not possibly raise more than that. So most

01:32:58.140 –> 01:33:01.960
of it came from private equity, which is, you

01:33:01.960 –> 01:33:05.159
know, basically, you get legal forms written

01:33:05.159 –> 01:33:08.939
up and the investors own a percentage of the

01:33:08.939 –> 01:33:11.399
film. So basically, you start out as the production

01:33:11.399 –> 01:33:13.300
company that is making it owns 50 % of the film,

01:33:13.520 –> 01:33:16.460
and then you have 50 % of it to give out to investors

01:33:16.460 –> 01:33:19.270
based on. you know, percentages get dictated

01:33:19.270 –> 01:33:21.869
based on how much money they give you and the

01:33:21.869 –> 01:33:23.949
investors get paid back for participation. Yeah,

01:33:24.029 –> 01:33:26.329
they get paid back first and then with interest

01:33:26.329 –> 01:33:28.550
and then once they get paid back, then they always

01:33:28.550 –> 01:33:31.649
own a piece of it. So a lot of it was raised

01:33:31.649 –> 01:33:34.350
that way. And then a lot of it was raised through

01:33:34.350 –> 01:33:37.750
some big chunk donations, but a lot of just friends

01:33:37.750 –> 01:33:41.930
and family doing smaller donations through that

01:33:41.930 –> 01:33:45.359
film North. just straight up tax write -off donation.

01:33:46.439 –> 01:33:50.579
In terms of advice about it, I mean, I think,

01:33:50.760 –> 01:33:53.520
I think if people are interested in making films,

01:33:53.720 –> 01:33:55.859
they should just try to make them any way, any

01:33:55.859 –> 01:33:58.880
way they can start out with just, you can just

01:33:58.880 –> 01:34:00.300
make something with your phone, just just like

01:34:00.300 –> 01:34:02.500
feel like, do I like this? Does it make sense

01:34:02.500 –> 01:34:06.880
to me? And then I think once you get into Wanting

01:34:06.880 –> 01:34:09.760
to make a feature, you know, it’s it is just

01:34:09.760 –> 01:34:11.439
a challenge to find the money and like do you

01:34:11.439 –> 01:34:15.739
have people in your life who believe in you who

01:34:15.739 –> 01:34:19.220
have some money like it was not fun like I’m

01:34:19.220 –> 01:34:22.880
from the Midwest and you did you You didn’t even

01:34:22.880 –> 01:34:24.640
ask somebody to buy you a cheeseburger at lunch

01:34:24.640 –> 01:34:28.439
like you did like so to like It I was really

01:34:28.439 –> 01:34:30.300
committed to doing this. So I sent a lot of emails.

01:34:30.300 –> 01:34:32.539
I didn’t want I like gave myself mental tricks

01:34:32.539 –> 01:34:35.439
of like When when the clock turns to seven I

01:34:35.439 –> 01:34:37.899
hit send so like it like just to cope with the

01:34:37.899 –> 01:34:40.439
anxiety of it like the emails written but I’m

01:34:40.439 –> 01:34:42.279
gonna wait until because I’ve made this weird

01:34:42.279 –> 01:34:44.420
deal with myself and hit seven I have to hit

01:34:44.420 –> 01:34:47.260
send like Nobody and I expect people to get mad

01:34:47.260 –> 01:34:50.279
at me and nobody ever got mad at me The couple

01:34:50.279 –> 01:34:52.500
people were like bless your heart for thinking

01:34:52.500 –> 01:34:58.119
I have that kind of money, but no I think it’s

01:34:58.119 –> 01:35:00.140
I think that’s if people are also feeling like

01:35:00.270 –> 01:35:05.010
shy about it. My experience was that people were

01:35:05.010 –> 01:35:07.949
really happy to hear that someone was trying

01:35:07.949 –> 01:35:11.210
to do something that they really wanted to do,

01:35:11.229 –> 01:35:13.350
and that was, you know, bigger and challenging.

01:35:14.369 –> 01:35:16.989
Yeah, ambitious. Yeah, people, and kind of like,

01:35:17.170 –> 01:35:18.930
it’s true. It’s like, it’s the next step on what

01:35:18.930 –> 01:35:21.590
you want to do with your life, you know? And

01:35:21.590 –> 01:35:23.770
the attitude was that people wanted to help me,

01:35:23.770 –> 01:35:26.130
and more often than not, people were like, bum,

01:35:26.189 –> 01:35:29.859
they couldn’t. Totally. I had that… same experience

01:35:29.859 –> 01:35:32.340
on my first film cool and it was like people

01:35:32.340 –> 01:35:35.699
kind of at first you know you’re like I was worried

01:35:35.699 –> 01:35:37.739
that people would like kind of want to like tear

01:35:37.739 –> 01:35:40.119
you down or perhaps make fun of you behind your

01:35:40.119 –> 01:35:43.100
back or whatever but like the reality is is that

01:35:43.100 –> 01:35:44.579
when you’re really committed to something and

01:35:44.579 –> 01:35:46.859
people can tell I think people are a little bit

01:35:46.859 –> 01:35:49.180
envious in a way that they aren’t they don’t

01:35:49.180 –> 01:35:51.359
have something like that and they haven’t taken

01:35:51.359 –> 01:35:54.539
the risks in their life or currently or whatever

01:35:54.539 –> 01:35:58.420
and even if they have they they just want to

01:35:58.329 –> 01:36:01.550
see you succeed and be a part of it and are more

01:36:01.550 –> 01:36:05.010
inspired by it than, you know, threatened by

01:36:05.010 –> 01:36:06.930
it. I mean, there’s always somebody, but you

01:36:06.930 –> 01:36:09.189
never, you know, it’s like you said, I think

01:36:09.189 –> 01:36:11.909
people are more scared of it than they ought

01:36:11.909 –> 01:36:14.930
to be. Yeah. And I think, you know, I know like

01:36:14.930 –> 01:36:17.789
back in the day, you know, the advice was, you

01:36:17.789 –> 01:36:20.430
know, ask the professionals in your life, ask

01:36:20.430 –> 01:36:21.970
your dentist before they open up your mouth,

01:36:22.050 –> 01:36:23.569
if they’ll, you know, give you money. And I think

01:36:23.569 –> 01:36:26.840
some of that has gotten harder. But I reached

01:36:26.840 –> 01:36:29.880
out to some of my friends who I knew like, you’ve

01:36:29.880 –> 01:36:31.819
done really well in life, you’ve led a good life

01:36:31.819 –> 01:36:35.239
and you have a good job and they really had that

01:36:35.239 –> 01:36:38.279
perspective of like, this is really cool that

01:36:38.279 –> 01:36:41.840
I’ve led a good life and I have a solid job doing

01:36:41.840 –> 01:36:44.619
a thing I love and it’s maybe not creative, but

01:36:44.619 –> 01:36:46.100
this is a way for me to be a part of something

01:36:46.100 –> 01:36:49.550
creative and you know, in old school. patron

01:36:49.550 –> 01:36:52.510
of the arts. I think a lot of the folks who are

01:36:52.510 –> 01:36:54.470
excited about it were coming from that perspective

01:36:54.470 –> 01:36:57.010
of this is a cool thing I get to do and be part

01:36:57.010 –> 01:37:01.069
of because I’ve been successful in life. That’s

01:37:01.069 –> 01:37:03.149
great. That’s great. I’ll share. Have you ever

01:37:03.149 –> 01:37:06.470
seen the master class with Spike Lee about directing

01:37:06.470 –> 01:37:09.029
and filmmaking? I haven’t. No. He has a pretty

01:37:09.029 –> 01:37:10.869
good anecdote about this stuff. Like when he

01:37:10.869 –> 01:37:13.390
was shooting Malcolm X, they ran out of the budget

01:37:13.390 –> 01:37:15.770
and he’s like, oh fuck, what do I do? And he’s

01:37:15.770 –> 01:37:17.590
like, I have to reach out to the like richest

01:37:17.590 –> 01:37:21.119
black Friends, I know. So he reached out to Magic

01:37:21.119 –> 01:37:24.199
Johnson who gave him X amount then Oprah Winfrey

01:37:24.199 –> 01:37:26.800
who gave him X amount and he saved Michael Jordan

01:37:26.800 –> 01:37:30.300
for last because when he talked to Jordan He

01:37:30.300 –> 01:37:32.279
was like, yeah magic threw in some money. He’s

01:37:32.279 –> 01:37:34.180
like how much and he tells him he’s like, alright,

01:37:34.260 –> 01:37:38.039
I’ll double that I thought that was coming great

01:37:38.430 –> 01:37:41.529
Yeah, that’s pretty great. I read a great book

01:37:41.529 –> 01:37:44.949
called My First Movie, which is a collection

01:37:44.949 –> 01:37:48.449
of interviews from like 2000, where this journalist

01:37:48.449 –> 01:37:50.529
went around and interviewed, you know, established

01:37:50.529 –> 01:37:53.050
filmmakers about their first film. And he was

01:37:53.050 –> 01:37:55.510
interviewing the Coen brothers about Coen brothers

01:37:55.510 –> 01:37:58.470
are from Minnesota as well drive around St. Louis

01:37:58.470 –> 01:38:02.069
Park, which is a suburb of the Twin Cities, Minneapolis

01:38:02.069 –> 01:38:03.850
and St. Paul. And they have a great story there

01:38:03.850 –> 01:38:06.560
about like You know, this was like early 80s

01:38:06.560 –> 01:38:09.979
and they’re going around with an actual projector

01:38:09.979 –> 01:38:12.680
to project film of the little teaser they made

01:38:12.680 –> 01:38:15.960
and set up a screen in random dentist’s living

01:38:15.960 –> 01:38:18.539
room and they have this story about there was

01:38:18.539 –> 01:38:20.380
one time we pulled up and we slipped on the ice

01:38:20.380 –> 01:38:23.060
and we crunched this guy’s car, the guy we were

01:38:23.060 –> 01:38:24.760
gonna pitch to and ask for money. We smashed

01:38:24.760 –> 01:38:26.939
into his car and they’re like, should we just

01:38:26.939 –> 01:38:30.119
leave? Do we go in? And they went in and they…

01:38:30.159 –> 01:38:32.380
told him, like, hey, we would love to ask you

01:38:32.380 –> 01:38:38.659
for some money. Also, we hit your car. It was

01:38:38.659 –> 01:38:40.819
just like, yeah, none of this is, none of this

01:38:40.819 –> 01:38:43.319
is easy. It’s all, it’s all scary and weird and

01:38:43.319 –> 01:38:46.220
you got to do it. Was that like for their blood

01:38:46.220 –> 01:38:49.399
sample pitch? Yeah. Yeah. I want to see that

01:38:49.399 –> 01:38:55.279
thing they did before that. Just curious. You

01:38:55.279 –> 01:38:57.970
know, making a film. you know, philosophically

01:38:57.970 –> 01:39:00.890
speaking is always a bit of a sacrifice of yourself

01:39:00.890 –> 01:39:02.989
in some ways, but there’s also more tangible

01:39:02.989 –> 01:39:07.010
ways. Like, did you have to kind of like, you

01:39:07.010 –> 01:39:09.029
know, put some of your own money or like what

01:39:09.029 –> 01:39:12.270
sort of sacrifices or risks have you taken and

01:39:12.270 –> 01:39:15.210
how do you feel about it now in hindsight? Yeah,

01:39:15.609 –> 01:39:19.140
definitely had to take some risks. I don’t have

01:39:19.140 –> 01:39:21.220
any money because I’ve been an artist my whole

01:39:21.220 –> 01:39:23.560
life One of the reasons to make a film could

01:39:23.560 –> 01:39:25.140
make money on like some of the other things I’ve

01:39:25.140 –> 01:39:27.000
done like that is never going to make money period

01:39:27.000 –> 01:39:30.060
A film could we’ll see it probably not maybe

01:39:30.060 –> 01:39:32.079
not. I hope so. I’m gonna do everything I can

01:39:32.079 –> 01:39:36.119
So that in itself is a risk, but my wife has

01:39:36.119 –> 01:39:38.020
a good job and there are some times we’re like

01:39:38.109 –> 01:39:40.850
We don’t have enough and we need this chunk of

01:39:40.850 –> 01:39:42.409
money that I didn’t know about because I don’t

01:39:42.409 –> 01:39:44.189
know the whole process. And so yeah, some of

01:39:44.189 –> 01:39:47.729
our money has gone in. So there’s lots of motivations

01:39:47.729 –> 01:39:51.449
to make the film successful and make the money

01:39:51.449 –> 01:39:56.220
back. And partners, the Sigif and others, are

01:39:56.220 –> 01:39:58.779
all the unsung heroes, I think, of independent

01:39:58.779 –> 01:40:02.039
filmmakers. Yes, absolutely. My wife is just

01:40:02.039 –> 01:40:05.619
a… She has a really great day job, but she’s

01:40:05.619 –> 01:40:07.340
an artist too. She’s a dancer and she’s been

01:40:07.340 –> 01:40:09.960
a stage manager. And we met performing together,

01:40:10.000 –> 01:40:12.359
we’ve done shows together. And so she really

01:40:12.359 –> 01:40:15.159
gets it and really has a lot of passion and is

01:40:15.159 –> 01:40:18.079
so incredibly supportive. And it is a sacrifice.

01:40:19.039 –> 01:40:23.510
Like one of the lowest moments was I had… I

01:40:23.510 –> 01:40:26.069
had committed enough money and people I committed

01:40:26.069 –> 01:40:27.970
enough of their schedule of like the ball is

01:40:27.970 –> 01:40:29.750
rolling and this film has to Shoot on the day

01:40:29.750 –> 01:40:31.869
that we said because there’s like I can’t back

01:40:31.869 –> 01:40:34.670
out now but then there was like the problem got

01:40:34.670 –> 01:40:38.409
solved but it Felt unsolvable at the time and

01:40:38.409 –> 01:40:41.069
I called my wife is like I’m sorry for ruining

01:40:41.069 –> 01:40:48.090
our lives So like Yeah, I tell people it’s like

01:40:48.090 –> 01:40:50.350
one of the most stressful, difficult, painful

01:40:50.350 –> 01:40:52.430
things I’ve ever done and I wouldn’t trade it

01:40:52.430 –> 01:40:55.289
for anything because the rewards are so great.

01:40:56.130 –> 01:40:59.250
But yeah, there’s no lie in that. You have to

01:40:59.250 –> 01:41:01.850
give so much of yourself and the people in your

01:41:01.850 –> 01:41:04.789
life have to be there to be cool with it. Well,

01:41:04.789 –> 01:41:07.489
now that you brought it up, what are the rewards?

01:41:08.449 –> 01:41:11.229
Both tangible and not tangible. What have you

01:41:11.229 –> 01:41:15.180
experienced? Yeah, I mean, there’s just the reward

01:41:15.180 –> 01:41:20.199
of the art of watching the film with people and

01:41:20.199 –> 01:41:22.460
hearing them react to it. There’s just like the

01:41:22.460 –> 01:41:24.380
basic pride of that. There is the deeper, like

01:41:24.380 –> 01:41:30.619
literally, like I have these feelings and it’s

01:41:30.619 –> 01:41:33.119
cathartic to hear other people see them, feel

01:41:33.119 –> 01:41:38.720
them, experience them. I think for myself, they’re…

01:41:38.649 –> 01:41:40.789
I’ve always kept myself busy. I’ve always been

01:41:40.789 –> 01:41:42.210
doing artistic things, but there are definitely

01:41:42.210 –> 01:41:44.550
times where I just, I found a groove and I stayed

01:41:44.550 –> 01:41:47.069
in it. And there’s a part of me that’s like,

01:41:47.210 –> 01:41:49.310
but you kind of want to do something else, you

01:41:49.310 –> 01:41:51.689
know? And I think part of what’s been really

01:41:51.689 –> 01:41:53.470
rewarding about it is this is what I really,

01:41:53.470 –> 01:41:56.890
really want to do. I think we’re, I think we’re

01:41:56.890 –> 01:42:00.270
all getting sent on so many side quests. It’s

01:42:00.270 –> 01:42:02.359
just, it’s like, Part of it’s just the way the

01:42:02.359 –> 01:42:04.659
world is now with with social media being one

01:42:04.659 –> 01:42:06.560
of the main ways we can reach people of like

01:42:06.560 –> 01:42:09.800
Hey, I want to be a film director, but I need

01:42:09.800 –> 01:42:12.180
more followers. Well, how am I gonna get followers?

01:42:12.619 –> 01:42:14.560
Well, maybe I should do a podcast. What should

01:42:14.560 –> 01:42:16.659
I do a pocket? I’d like stamp collecting I’ll

01:42:16.659 –> 01:42:19.020
do a stamp collecting podcast and that will achieve

01:42:19.020 –> 01:42:22.380
my dream of directing a film is like It’s I don’t

01:42:22.380 –> 01:42:23.939
know if it’s any one person’s fault I think it

01:42:23.939 –> 01:42:26.060
just is what it is we get sent on these side

01:42:26.060 –> 01:42:28.279
quests and I think there’s some times in my life

01:42:28.279 –> 01:42:30.909
where I let myself just Stay on the side quest

01:42:30.909 –> 01:42:32.649
too much. It’s been really nice to feel like

01:42:32.649 –> 01:42:35.510
I have been I’m on I’m playing the main quest

01:42:35.510 –> 01:42:37.750
I’m not going and collecting the weird beans

01:42:37.750 –> 01:42:40.609
that the stranger wants in Legend of Zelda. I’m

01:42:40.609 –> 01:42:43.550
fighting Ganondorf, you know That’s a great way

01:42:43.550 –> 01:42:47.770
of putting it. Did you consider like crowdfunding

01:42:47.770 –> 01:42:50.569
because I know that’s always like indie should

01:42:50.569 –> 01:42:53.470
or should undo that do I have to do it, you know,

01:42:53.470 –> 01:42:56.409
like What where like how did you decide like

01:42:56.409 –> 01:42:59.270
fuck it? I’m just gonna reach out to friends

01:42:59.270 –> 01:43:02.649
and family, you know, or your approach. Yeah,

01:43:02.649 –> 01:43:05.149
I’ve done a couple of Kickstarter campaigns and

01:43:05.149 –> 01:43:08.170
they’ve been successful, but they’re so, so,

01:43:08.170 –> 01:43:11.109
so, so much work. Again, it’s sort of like…

01:43:11.199 –> 01:43:15.560
Sidequests. It’s a pretty direct sidequest, but

01:43:15.560 –> 01:43:19.159
it is a sidequest because you see the big number,

01:43:19.399 –> 01:43:21.560
but you’ve got all these fulfillment rewards

01:43:21.560 –> 01:43:23.739
and you’re making all these videos and you’re

01:43:23.739 –> 01:43:25.579
doing all this press that isn’t really about

01:43:25.579 –> 01:43:27.279
the thing. It’s about the thing you’re doing

01:43:27.279 –> 01:43:32.260
to get the thing. Right. And I don’t think I

01:43:32.260 –> 01:43:37.380
could have got that much money. It’s almost,

01:43:37.840 –> 01:43:40.779
unless you already have an audience. a podcast

01:43:40.779 –> 01:43:43.680
or, uh, uh, you know, some, like a celebrity

01:43:43.680 –> 01:43:45.319
or something like that. It’s almost impossible

01:43:45.319 –> 01:43:48.960
to, well, it, the trade off reward, uh, calculus

01:43:48.960 –> 01:43:51.800
isn’t great because you do, like you said, it

01:43:51.800 –> 01:43:53.819
is a full -time job and then you end up with,

01:43:54.380 –> 01:43:56.020
you know, if you’re lucky, like let’s say you

01:43:56.020 –> 01:43:58.079
knock on the park and you raise $80 ,000, which

01:43:58.079 –> 01:44:00.300
for an indie film, I think most people left a

01:44:00.300 –> 01:44:03.880
lot. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s like, for the amount

01:44:03.880 –> 01:44:06.380
of effort you put in, it’s, it’s like relatively

01:44:06.380 –> 01:44:08.859
small in like, The grand scheme of a budget of

01:44:08.859 –> 01:44:11.539
a feature film, you know, um, yeah, and it’s

01:44:11.539 –> 01:44:13.539
I mean for some feature films That’s that goes

01:44:13.539 –> 01:44:16.180
a long way, but there’s you know a majority I

01:44:16.180 –> 01:44:19.680
would say like it’s it’s uh If you’re lucky like

01:44:19.680 –> 01:44:22.859
not even a quarter of it, you know, yeah And

01:44:22.859 –> 01:44:24.920
it’s hard to get 80 000 on crowdfunding. Yeah,

01:44:24.920 –> 01:44:26.899
you’re perfectly honest. Yeah, and taff you you

01:44:26.899 –> 01:44:29.819
work in the social media, right? I mean I do

01:44:29.819 –> 01:44:33.340
hey think yeah, yeah, how do you feel about the

01:44:33.340 –> 01:44:38.399
uh When I call it a side quest, I certainly don’t

01:44:38.399 –> 01:44:39.800
mean that in an insulting way. How do you feel

01:44:39.800 –> 01:44:42.779
about, like, how much people are reliant on social

01:44:42.779 –> 01:44:46.359
media to get to where they want to be? I mean,

01:44:46.399 –> 01:44:48.380
like, I’ve been doing it for so long before it

01:44:48.380 –> 01:44:50.399
was this vital thing, so for me, it comes second

01:44:50.399 –> 01:44:52.239
nature, so I feel like I have kind of, like,

01:44:52.279 –> 01:44:55.560
a privileged outlook on it. Overall, I think

01:44:55.560 –> 01:44:58.840
social media is a curse. I think it’s absolutely

01:44:58.840 –> 01:45:01.800
what could ever happen to us. But it is the fact

01:45:01.800 –> 01:45:03.680
that if you don’t know what you’re doing, you’re

01:45:03.680 –> 01:45:05.819
not going to see any sort of output You’re not

01:45:05.819 –> 01:45:08.439
going to see any sort of growth and you’re not

01:45:08.439 –> 01:45:10.180
going to have that exposure that you’re looking

01:45:10.180 –> 01:45:13.359
for so Unfortunately, you know, it’s kind of

01:45:13.359 –> 01:45:17.500
a double -edged sword to where I Think it’s terrible,

01:45:17.500 –> 01:45:21.140
but it keeps me employed I’m happy for your horror

01:45:21.140 –> 01:45:25.880
then yeah But it is something that I I see all

01:45:25.880 –> 01:45:27.920
the time people are are desperately trying to

01:45:27.920 –> 01:45:31.310
get the word out and At the end of the day, there’s

01:45:31.310 –> 01:45:32.789
just certain ways and there’s certain things

01:45:32.789 –> 01:45:35.329
to do to get it to happen. And if you’re not

01:45:35.329 –> 01:45:37.050
working with it, then it’s going to be tough,

01:45:37.470 –> 01:45:38.949
unfortunately. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

01:45:39.130 –> 01:45:41.189
I think it’s a tool. And if you want to use it,

01:45:41.510 –> 01:45:43.529
you’ve got to pay for it and hire a professional.

01:45:43.729 –> 01:45:45.949
It’s like, hey, you want your film lit well?

01:45:46.289 –> 01:45:47.930
Hire a good cinematographer and a good gaffer.

01:45:48.510 –> 01:45:50.409
You want a great crowdfunding campaign? You’ve

01:45:50.409 –> 01:45:54.270
got to hire an expert, because it’s a tool. It’s

01:45:54.270 –> 01:45:58.270
an absolute tool. In all the ways that you possibly

01:45:58.270 –> 01:46:02.710
think of it, it is a tool. Have you seen any

01:46:02.710 –> 01:46:04.869
positive results come to us in terms of like

01:46:04.869 –> 01:46:09.250
next projects or opening doors that weren’t open

01:46:09.250 –> 01:46:13.149
before? And where do you see this going in the

01:46:13.149 –> 01:46:16.670
trajectory it’s on? Yeah, so there have been

01:46:16.670 –> 01:46:20.409
some little cracks in doors, definitely some

01:46:20.409 –> 01:46:26.100
different, I think, people look at you differently

01:46:26.100 –> 01:46:28.819
and I think it’s easier to have certain conversations

01:46:28.819 –> 01:46:32.960
with certain people. The only reason I was able

01:46:32.960 –> 01:46:35.720
to do this is I made a short film that was like

01:46:35.720 –> 01:46:39.000
22 minutes and I made it with a lot of the same

01:46:39.000 –> 01:46:41.840
crew with the cinematographer Matias and the

01:46:41.840 –> 01:46:45.699
same gaffer, same hair and makeup person, Claire,

01:46:46.100 –> 01:46:49.560
and that was kind of my proof of I can do this.

01:46:49.699 –> 01:46:52.279
And a lot of, even my friends, Some of my friends

01:46:52.279 –> 01:46:54.399
who have good jobs and gave me generous amount

01:46:54.399 –> 01:46:56.640
of money probably wouldn’t have if I hadn’t made

01:46:56.640 –> 01:46:59.680
that short film And they’re like, oh you you

01:46:59.680 –> 01:47:01.699
can actually follow through you can do this Okay,

01:47:02.159 –> 01:47:04.539
so I’m hoping that I will find even more people

01:47:04.539 –> 01:47:06.859
like now that I have made a feature it got a

01:47:06.859 –> 01:47:09.380
distribution deal It is going to theaters. It’s

01:47:09.380 –> 01:47:12.199
going to be on physical media that some of those

01:47:12.199 –> 01:47:14.800
conversations will be easier to say like look

01:47:14.800 –> 01:47:18.840
I already made one and I’m really determined

01:47:18.840 –> 01:47:23.729
to to I can’t control how people feel about it.

01:47:23.890 –> 01:47:26.750
Art’s a conversation and I’ve said my part and

01:47:26.750 –> 01:47:29.390
the audience gets to say theirs. I can’t control

01:47:29.390 –> 01:47:31.859
the promotion of… How often I talk about it,

01:47:31.880 –> 01:47:33.500
who I talk about it to, thank you guys for letting

01:47:33.500 –> 01:47:36.699
me talk about it. So I’m really determined, as

01:47:36.699 –> 01:47:39.119
determined as I was to make the film, I’m determined

01:47:39.119 –> 01:47:41.659
to make sure that it gets out into the world

01:47:41.659 –> 01:47:44.739
and it has every opportunity to find its audience

01:47:44.739 –> 01:47:48.100
and by finding its audience, make its money back.

01:47:48.199 –> 01:47:50.539
And I think when it makes its money back, then

01:47:50.539 –> 01:47:53.060
it becomes a much easier conversation to make

01:47:53.060 –> 01:47:54.840
the next one, which I really want to do as soon

01:47:54.840 –> 01:47:59.829
as humanly possible. Yeah, that makes a lot of

01:47:59.829 –> 01:48:02.670
sense man and congratulations on that. It is

01:48:02.670 –> 01:48:08.189
very hard to make even a short film so So that’s

01:48:08.189 –> 01:48:10.829
awesome. You you’ve stepped up to the plate and

01:48:10.829 –> 01:48:13.090
mission accomplished and I really look forward

01:48:13.090 –> 01:48:15.510
to seeing it Yeah, sounds like a lot of fun.

01:48:15.869 –> 01:48:18.810
I think I think yeah I really think anybody who

01:48:18.810 –> 01:48:21.850
wants to do it and you guys have made films that

01:48:21.850 –> 01:48:25.300
it really is just a matter of That that I can’t

01:48:25.300 –> 01:48:27.020
recommend that book my first movie enough because

01:48:27.020 –> 01:48:29.319
it’s essays with lots of different folks from

01:48:29.319 –> 01:48:31.800
Lots of different, you know countries so not

01:48:31.800 –> 01:48:33.760
every lots of different ages So not everybody’s

01:48:33.760 –> 01:48:36.079
coming from the same background and almost all

01:48:36.079 –> 01:48:38.159
of them are like, I don’t know what happened

01:48:38.159 –> 01:48:41.000
to me It was like I was possessed and then This

01:48:41.000 –> 01:48:43.399
film needed to exist and everybody talks about

01:48:43.399 –> 01:48:45.500
the stress and the fear and like there’s some

01:48:45.500 –> 01:48:47.439
awful things that happen I can’t remember the

01:48:47.439 –> 01:48:49.960
director, but he’s a known director and you know

01:48:50.029 –> 01:48:52.609
went through all the normal hell of raising money

01:48:52.609 –> 01:48:54.350
and getting producers on board to green light

01:48:54.350 –> 01:48:56.970
and blah blah blah and he’s so happy the first

01:48:56.970 –> 01:48:58.829
day so scared and he’s shooting the footage for

01:48:58.829 –> 01:49:00.729
like a couple days and he looks at the footage

01:49:00.729 –> 01:49:04.289
and it’s all terrible like out of focus and things

01:49:04.289 –> 01:49:05.449
in the shot that aren’t supposed to be in the

01:49:05.449 –> 01:49:07.390
shot and he goes to the cinematographer’s like

01:49:07.390 –> 01:49:09.430
what happened man why didn’t you tell me and

01:49:09.430 –> 01:49:12.369
the cinematographer broke down he’s like I’m

01:49:12.369 –> 01:49:15.170
sorry I was really jealous that you got to direct

01:49:15.170 –> 01:49:17.289
a film and I was ruining all the shots on purpose

01:49:17.289 –> 01:49:21.079
holy fuck And right now I’m spacing what the

01:49:21.079 –> 01:49:22.899
film is, but it’s like a known director and a

01:49:22.899 –> 01:49:24.760
known film. And that’s what he went through.

01:49:25.500 –> 01:49:27.180
And like reading things like that just reminded

01:49:27.180 –> 01:49:30.640
me of just like, you know, you just got to decide

01:49:30.640 –> 01:49:32.640
to do it. And then every obstacle is just like,

01:49:32.819 –> 01:49:36.399
well, okay, how are we going to get past that?

01:49:36.699 –> 01:49:39.020
And, and it was nice to read, like, you know,

01:49:39.020 –> 01:49:40.439
I was thinking about that. It’s like any problem

01:49:40.439 –> 01:49:42.640
while we were shooting. It’s like my cinematographer

01:49:42.640 –> 01:49:44.619
didn’t ruin the shots on purpose. So I’m already

01:49:44.619 –> 01:49:49.340
doing better than a known director. James Cameron

01:49:49.340 –> 01:49:52.399
has a quote that like he says filmmaking is not

01:49:52.399 –> 01:49:54.699
for the faint of heart and you can hear that

01:49:54.699 –> 01:49:56.720
and be like Okay, that makes sense. But until

01:49:56.720 –> 01:49:59.920
you do it you you really don’t understand How

01:49:59.920 –> 01:50:02.979
much that is true. I feel like especially was

01:50:02.979 –> 01:50:07.159
what you’re saying Because it is demanding and

01:50:07.159 –> 01:50:09.359
there is a lot of like oh shit problems how the

01:50:09.359 –> 01:50:11.600
fuck do I figure this out and the clock’s ticking

01:50:11.600 –> 01:50:14.239
and money’s going out the window and well and

01:50:14.239 –> 01:50:16.939
particularly as an indie filmmaker because you

01:50:16.939 –> 01:50:19.800
know, the lack of resources, you can’t like buy

01:50:19.800 –> 01:50:22.460
your way out of problems. And you don’t have

01:50:22.460 –> 01:50:24.420
the comfort of knowing that like, let’s say you’re

01:50:24.420 –> 01:50:28.220
doing a studio film, you know, this never happens,

01:50:28.220 –> 01:50:30.840
but a studio film for your first project. And,

01:50:30.960 –> 01:50:32.920
you know, you just, you’ve got guardrails, you’ve

01:50:32.920 –> 01:50:34.859
got people there to help you. They’re going to

01:50:34.859 –> 01:50:36.180
bail you out because they don’t want to lose

01:50:36.180 –> 01:50:37.800
their money. When you’re an indie filmmaker,

01:50:37.800 –> 01:50:39.739
you’ve made promises to all the people that you’ve

01:50:39.739 –> 01:50:42.739
raised money from. And it’s all on your shoulders.

01:50:42.739 –> 01:50:44.460
And a lot of times there is no one for you to

01:50:44.460 –> 01:50:47.039
turn to to be like, I need help. I mean, you

01:50:47.039 –> 01:50:49.340
can ask for advice and, you know, ideally you

01:50:49.340 –> 01:50:51.579
have a network to do that, but, but there isn’t

01:50:51.579 –> 01:50:55.000
like somebody. else who’s intrinsically invested

01:50:55.000 –> 01:50:58.220
in the outcome enough to like step up in and

01:50:58.220 –> 01:50:59.720
pick up balls that you’ve dropped. So it’s really

01:50:59.720 –> 01:51:01.779
all on you. And I don’t think it’s talked enough

01:51:01.779 –> 01:51:04.539
about that stress and anxiety that comes with

01:51:04.539 –> 01:51:08.140
that. And sometimes the resulting PTSD. Yeah.

01:51:08.359 –> 01:51:10.659
And I had a lot of, you know, partners on the

01:51:10.659 –> 01:51:14.380
film who did, you know, important moments stepped

01:51:14.380 –> 01:51:17.520
up and kind of went the extra mile, you know,

01:51:17.579 –> 01:51:19.890
where they could have been like, That’s not in

01:51:19.890 –> 01:51:21.430
my job description. That’s not what you’re paying

01:51:21.430 –> 01:51:22.909
me for There are a lot of moments where people

01:51:22.909 –> 01:51:26.090
kind of stepped up and and helped but But yeah

01:51:26.090 –> 01:51:27.890
at the end of the day it is sort of like if it

01:51:27.890 –> 01:51:30.770
gets real rocky It’s like yeah, it’s your film,

01:51:30.789 –> 01:51:33.050
dude, you know at the end of the day. We’re gonna

01:51:33.050 –> 01:51:37.109
go home now And you figured out is is right.

01:51:37.109 –> 01:51:41.350
It’s correct, right, you know And yeah, so that

01:51:41.350 –> 01:51:44.590
is definitely a thing to watch out for Great.

01:51:44.689 –> 01:51:47.869
Well, I just noticing the time You know, we’ve

01:51:47.869 –> 01:51:51.630
been talking for almost an hour. Do you want

01:51:51.630 –> 01:51:55.210
to leave us with some thoughts to the next generation

01:51:55.210 –> 01:51:57.489
of filmmakers or something out there that might

01:51:57.489 –> 01:51:59.829
be listening on like anything you want to share,

01:52:00.050 –> 01:52:02.869
but like, you know, I was thinking. words of

01:52:02.869 –> 01:52:05.069
wisdom or inspiration or something like that

01:52:05.069 –> 01:52:07.670
yeah I think if you want to make something just

01:52:07.670 –> 01:52:10.289
start making it as soon as possible with whatever

01:52:10.289 –> 01:52:12.789
tools you have and don’t worry about the first

01:52:12.789 –> 01:52:16.350
thing needing to be anything I think you know

01:52:16.350 –> 01:52:18.689
you should just pick up a phone and make something

01:52:18.689 –> 01:52:22.149
in your living room to see if you love it and

01:52:22.149 –> 01:52:25.680
then from there you can learn all the tools And

01:52:25.680 –> 01:52:28.100
the other advice I would give is I really believe

01:52:28.100 –> 01:52:31.739
that, you know, sound is 50 % of it. And a lot

01:52:31.739 –> 01:52:35.359
of our discussion of cinema can be, you know,

01:52:35.640 –> 01:52:39.859
really praising this shot, the Kubrick shot,

01:52:39.979 –> 01:52:42.680
the Spielberg shot, right? And like, sometimes

01:52:42.680 –> 01:52:45.020
we will really talk about John Williams with

01:52:45.020 –> 01:52:47.739
that, but like, it’s more of a nerdy thing to

01:52:47.739 –> 01:52:49.739
like go around praising Ben Burt, who did, you

01:52:49.739 –> 01:52:51.060
know, all the sound design for Star Wars and

01:52:51.060 –> 01:52:54.090
Indiana Jones and all that, you know, but, I

01:52:54.090 –> 01:52:58.069
think the sound design is one of the best parts

01:52:58.069 –> 01:52:59.569
of filmmaking because there’s just an absolute

01:52:59.569 –> 01:53:02.909
sense of play of just like, there’s not as much

01:53:02.909 –> 01:53:05.810
time pressure. The film is already there, it’s

01:53:05.810 –> 01:53:07.770
been filmed, and then you’re just alone in your

01:53:07.770 –> 01:53:09.670
home with like a hammer and a lemon and a microphone

01:53:09.670 –> 01:53:12.329
and you can do whatever you want as many times

01:53:12.329 –> 01:53:13.869
as you want. And there’s this delightful sense

01:53:13.869 –> 01:53:16.250
of play. And if you’re just starting out, you

01:53:16.250 –> 01:53:19.149
know, you’ll see a shot and go, that doesn’t

01:53:19.149 –> 01:53:21.949
work at all. Add a smash and a thump and suddenly

01:53:21.949 –> 01:53:25.260
like, Now it’s cinema now. It’s alive. So I would

01:53:25.260 –> 01:53:27.899
say like have fun with sound play with sound

01:53:27.899 –> 01:53:30.819
because it is half of the film Well, all right.

01:53:30.939 –> 01:53:33.380
Here’s some random. Tell us a fun fact about

01:53:33.380 –> 01:53:38.899
yourself. Oh gosh I have a mild squirrel obsession

01:53:49.759 –> 01:53:56.880
I feel like if you have any squirrel obsession,

01:53:57.100 –> 01:54:00.739
it’s beyond mild. Fair enough. Yeah. Do you speak

01:54:00.739 –> 01:54:02.960
on that real quick? Because I’m curious. I’m

01:54:02.960 –> 01:54:08.579
a curious individual. Yeah. I found them funny

01:54:08.579 –> 01:54:12.220
from a young age. way I think that they feel

01:54:12.220 –> 01:54:13.920
so like they’re looking everywhere and then they

01:54:13.920 –> 01:54:16.199
fixate on one thing and I think I just sort of

01:54:16.199 –> 01:54:18.460
related to that like you did everything is overwhelming

01:54:18.460 –> 01:54:20.520
until now I have this one thing to just uber

01:54:20.520 –> 01:54:23.739
focus on for a few minutes and coming out of

01:54:23.739 –> 01:54:27.020
that I was doing sketch comedy with my older

01:54:27.020 –> 01:54:29.960
brother and some other people and we needed like

01:54:29.960 –> 01:54:31.600
kind of a weird walk -on character and I was

01:54:31.600 –> 01:54:35.159
just like I want to be a squirrel guy and our

01:54:35.159 –> 01:54:37.859
costume designer built me a large squirrel costume

01:54:38.619 –> 01:54:40.439
came on stage in a squirrel costume and did the

01:54:40.439 –> 01:54:43.779
Alaspore York speech from Hamlet and it was just

01:54:43.779 –> 01:54:45.939
this random thing, but everyone’s like, this

01:54:45.939 –> 01:54:48.680
guy likes squirrels. People started giving me

01:54:48.680 –> 01:54:50.899
squirrel stuff and they just, they’ve become

01:54:50.899 –> 01:54:55.979
a part of my life. I like that. So is your next

01:54:55.979 –> 01:54:59.819
film going to be a squirrel movie? A squirrel

01:54:59.819 –> 01:55:02.640
horror movie would be great. It’s about time,

01:55:02.739 –> 01:55:07.300
man. You could take after Peter Jackson’s black

01:55:07.300 –> 01:55:08.819
sheep. I guess it wasn’t his. It was his way

01:55:08.819 –> 01:55:10.979
to workshop where he did black sheep. He could

01:55:10.979 –> 01:55:14.319
do something similar with the attack of the squirrels.

01:55:14.380 –> 01:55:16.439
Attack of the squirrels. All right. I will get

01:55:16.439 –> 01:55:20.340
your help on the social media for that. So before

01:55:20.340 –> 01:55:23.180
we go, do you want to? Tell the audience where

01:55:23.180 –> 01:55:24.619
they might be able to check out your film and

01:55:24.619 –> 01:55:26.659
when and how to find you on social and all of

01:55:26.659 –> 01:55:28.819
that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So the film, like I said,

01:55:28.819 –> 01:55:31.020
has been released through antenna releasing.

01:55:31.060 –> 01:55:33.579
So you can go to antennareleasing .com slash

01:55:33.579 –> 01:55:36.779
films slash dead media. And it’s currently on

01:55:36.779 –> 01:55:39.420
a road show called the bonus features tour because

01:55:39.420 –> 01:55:41.579
it isn’t just a screening. I do an introduction.

01:55:41.760 –> 01:55:45.399
I give away a weird DVD. We do Q and A’s after

01:55:45.399 –> 01:55:48.140
every screening. Taff is doing a moderated Q

01:55:48.140 –> 01:55:50.060
and A for us. So we’re getting lots of cool people

01:55:50.060 –> 01:55:53.489
like Taff to do. kind of different style Q &As,

01:55:53.689 –> 01:55:57.010
and really make it an event at all these screenings.

01:55:57.369 –> 01:55:59.590
And we started with some dates here in Los Angeles,

01:55:59.909 –> 01:56:01.750
and then we’re going up to the Pacific Northwest,

01:56:01.930 –> 01:56:04.050
and to the East Coast, and to the South, and

01:56:04.050 –> 01:56:07.329
to the Midwest, and ending in Minneapolis in

01:56:07.329 –> 01:56:09.069
August. And then we’re gonna take a couple weeks

01:56:09.069 –> 01:56:10.569
off, and then we’re gonna do a second leg. So

01:56:10.569 –> 01:56:13.930
it’s gonna be out and about on the road for a

01:56:13.930 –> 01:56:16.659
while. So you can hide but they’re gonna find

01:56:16.659 –> 01:56:19.739
you anyways. Yes, exactly And if you want to

01:56:19.739 –> 01:56:21.560
follow along closely We’ve got an Instagram account

01:56:21.560 –> 01:56:24.300
at dead media movie and you can find me in all

01:56:24.300 –> 01:56:26.039
the different social medias with just my name

01:56:26.039 –> 01:56:29.340
It’s my handle at Joseph’s Grimshaw Yeah, and

01:56:29.340 –> 01:56:31.260
be sure to pick it up on physical media when

01:56:31.260 –> 01:56:35.340
it’s available. Yes. I can’t wait That’s gonna

01:56:35.340 –> 01:56:37.180
bring us to the end of today’s episode We want

01:56:37.180 –> 01:56:38.880
to give a big thank you to Joseph’s Grimshaw

01:56:38.880 –> 01:56:40.979
for coming on the pod to talk about his new movie

01:56:40.979 –> 01:56:43.920
dead media You can check out today’s show notes

01:56:43.920 –> 01:56:47.140
on nightmarelogic .net or follow us on Instagram

01:56:47.140 –> 01:56:49.840
at nightmarelogicpod. We also want to give a

01:56:49.840 –> 01:56:51.659
shout out to our composer Lars Lang -Petersen

01:56:51.659 –> 01:56:55.079
for the score. Until next time, hang out, have

01:56:55.079 –> 01:56:58.000
fun, don’t die, and come check us out next time

01:56:58.000 –> 01:56:58.479
we stream.