This Title Sucks and The Year Ahead

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Welcome back to Nightmare Logic, the podcast

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that loves kills and thrills. I’m Christopher

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Smith and I’m here with Peter Sawyer. And join

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us as we dissect what makes a good film title.

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So Peter, did you do anything fun for New Year’s?

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I mean, I was over at your place. That’s right.

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For part of it. So yeah, it was cool. Yeah, nothing

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like playing. Cards Against Humanity with a 13

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-year -old and his mother. That was awkward.

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I missed that part. Oh, that’s right. You did.

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You left. Let me tell you about it. Basically,

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God, the card that she was judging was something

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like, why am I sticky all over my body? And he

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won that round, and his answer was something

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like… gag reflex or something like that and

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he’s 13 god it was awkward right yeah i mean

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imagination goes a long way with takes you a

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long way but i yeah i don’t think i would want

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to play cards against humanity with my parents

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no thank you even as an adult you know um so

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what about uh movies did you watch anything good

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this week any tv shows or movies i watched uh

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paris texas for the first time the wind winders

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movie i am I liked it. I see it both ways. Some

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people like really love that movie. And I’ve

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seen some some really hate thrown at it. And

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I can see both reasons. Yeah, it’s it’s got some

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really charming moments. But it’s also kind of

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long and takes a minute to get to where it needs

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to go. And there’s a lot, you know, so it’s I

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don’t know. I think in the 80s when it came out,

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it probably. stood out a bit more right movies

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moved a lot slower back then in general it’s

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true but it’s also like if you know harry dean

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stanton’s character you figure out who he is

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at the end you’re like that’s who we’re following

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like is he a great person right right but i i

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enjoyed it nice how about you i mean my fiance

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heather uh we finally dived into pluribus got

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a couple episodes in and so far it’s i like it

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actually i think it’s pretty good Right on. It’s

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a bit more of a sci -fi series, but I still don’t

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really know what’s going on. But it has lots

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of really good reviews and I get it. It’s really

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well written. Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of good

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things about it. Today, what we’re going to do

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is we’re going to take a look ahead at 2026 and

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discuss what movies or films that we’ve heard

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about or TV shows that we’re looking forward

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to seeing in the coming year. And then we’re

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going to jump into our main discussion, which…

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is all about what makes a good film title um

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yeah i actually really enjoyed kind of doing

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some research on 2026 and what’s coming out there’s

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way more movies than i thought uh on the horizon

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that look really promising for horror cinema

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based on what i’ve seen about it uh what do you

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think yeah i’ve uh there’s a few that i have

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my eye on that i’ve i’ve heard about and i’m

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pretty curious about yeah well let’s uh see is

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there anything that like stood out to you in

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particular like what’s the top of your list so

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i’m gonna lead with a movie called shiver and

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for a couple reasons it ties into this whole

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title thing um and like on a personal level i

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the last script i wrote is a horror script that

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takes place in the snow and i was this was a

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title that i was like oh that might be very good

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and lo and behold uh tommy workola who who did

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dead snow has this movie called shiver coming

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out And what’s interesting about it is I think

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it’s kind of a perfect name for this because

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it’s about sharks and a pack of sharks is called

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the shiver. Oh, I did see that. Yeah. So I’m

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like, that’s a really smart use of his name.

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Um, so it’s, it’s people dealing with a pack

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of sharks after like a hurricane or something.

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And I’m like, a good shark movie is always fun.

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But what’s, what’s funny is I, I really liked

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this movie he did called the trip that, uh, ended

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up on Netflix and it’s not, it’s not in English,

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but they’re remaking it. As a movie called over

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your dead body, which I think is a better title

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than the trip in English. I can’t remember who’s

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in that, but I think that’s coming out this year

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as well. So that might be interesting. Cool.

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Yeah. And I think, you know, my first one that

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I’d love to talk about here is actually coming

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out pretty soon. It’s called Mother of Flies.

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And it’s directed by this. I hadn’t heard of

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them. The items family. Are you familiar with

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them? It’s like two brothers and their sister’s

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an actor and she stars in this. I think so. I

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think they did a movie on Shudder that is escaping

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me at the moment that I’ve seen before. Nice.

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I know what you’re talking about. It’s dropping

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on Shudder. Mother of lies. Yeah. Yeah. It’s

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a Shudder film. It’s so John Adams and Zelda

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Adams and Toby Poser are the three directors

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and it stars their little sister Lulu Adams or

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Lula Adams. Uh, and it basically, it’s about

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a young woman facing mortality who ventures into

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the woods to escape death, which, uh, I don’t

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know. It looks pretty good, honestly. Uh, and

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that comes out on January 23rd. So I’m going

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to go right around the corner. I think the other

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movie that I saw was called Hellblazer. It’s

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something like that. Uh, maybe you can look it

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up. Yeah. I’m going to check that out. Maybe,

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uh, was it good? Do you remember? Yeah, I mean,

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it was it’s a small movie. It was it was interesting

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because you’re like, that’s a family that made

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this. So that’s kind of one of the reasons why

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I was curious about it. Definitely. I think that’s

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why I made the cut for me as I was just so fascinated

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by it’s like the Van Trapp family horror directors

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or something. It sounds really cool. And, you

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know, I I’m just interested in honestly, there’s

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a little side interest that the creative process

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for people and. you know the different types

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of collaboration and how things come to be to

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me is like i mean it’s part of why we’re doing

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this podcast in some ways right um so yeah i’m

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just interested to see how that works when a

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family makes a film together absolutely okay

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so my next one and you could probably correct

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me if i’m wrong because i think i said this and

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someone was like no it’s redo redo it’s redux

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redux You know, that’s a really good question.

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I looked it up. I had the Google thing tell me

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that it was Redux Redux, the video. Yeah. Well,

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I think it’s one of those, what do they call

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them? Homophobes? Homophones? Oh, no. Not homophobes.

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Homophones. Where, like, it’s a French word that

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we also say in English. And I’m sure someone’s

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going to correct me for being wrong on that.

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But I think, like, the French spelling or pronunciation

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is Redux. I don’t know if you noticed, but in

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French, you basically just drop the last five

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or six letters a lot of times. So I think it’s

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kind of like that, but I also kind of think it’s

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been anglicized or Americanized into Redux. So

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I think either is proper. Yeah, okay. Well, I’m

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calling it Redux Redux because I’m American.

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I’m ignorant like that. It’s by Kevin and Matthew

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Maness, and they gave us Block Island Sound,

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which I enjoyed. It’s a smaller movie, but it

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was cool. And this one has an interesting premise.

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If you are not familiar with it, it’s basically

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a mother is going into different parallel, parallel

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universes to murder her daughter’s killer. And

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it like takes a toll on her humanity, on her

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humanity. Jesus. Yeah. The trailer looked really

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sick, actually. I haven’t seen the trailer. Oh

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yeah. It’s a, I mean, I got one small complaint

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about the trailer. I don’t know. Is it a spoiler

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to talk about the trailer? Yeah, because I don’t

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want to hear about it. I kind of want to go in

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blind. Yeah, go in blind. Go in blind. But it

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does look really good. And one of the things

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that interests me about it is it stars… Well,

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I’m curious. It stars Michaela McManus. I’m wondering,

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is she the sister of the brothers? I don’t know.

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Because that could be another Von Trapp family

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horror filmmaker. I’m not… I don’t know. Yeah.

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And then it’s also starring Jim Cummings, who

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I believe did Thunder Road. He’s like that. Jim

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Cummings is great. He’s… He did… Now I…

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beta test i think is what it was called that

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i really liked he was in um last stop at yuma

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county um the wolf of snow hollow that’s right

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wolf of snow he’s kind of like a i think it’s

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both an actor and a director and and also big

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in the youtube world or or uh reddit world i

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don’t know he got to start i used to see his

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post on reddit talking about making his first

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film and so i’m sort of also been you know following

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his career with curiosity right Do you know he

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went to Emerson? Oh. Alumni, right? I had no

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idea. So did Peter. Yeah. Peter’s an Emerson

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alum. So did these guys, actually, Kevin and

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Matthew Maness. I wonder if they knew each other

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from there. I don’t know. But that comes out

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soon, too. Yeah. So I’m excited for that one.

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February 20th. And by the way, we’re going to

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put all of these, our lists of the films that

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we’re looking forward to up on our website. And

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we’ll try to link to whatever trailers are available

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for him as well, just so if you want to check

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him out. Yeah, so my next one is Psycho Killer,

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which is directed by Gavin Pallone. And it stars

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Andrew Walker from Sleepy Hollow and Georgina

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Campbell, James Preston Rogers. I think it was

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in The Blackening. Seems to be about a Kansas

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Highway Patrol officer who tracks her husband’s

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murderer. And it gets kind of depraved and sadistic

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as she goes because it basically seems to be

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kind of like a satanic cult kind of serial killer

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film. And I’m kind of a sucker for the occult

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and satanic cults and things like that. So that

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comes out at the end of February as well, at

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February 20th. and i think i don’t know it looks

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pretty dope to me yeah i did see the the trailer

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it’s written by andrew kevin walker who wrote

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seven oh and he’s also the star in it so i’m

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yeah or maybe i just misread the that he’s did

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he also write sleepy hollow i mean i know him

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as a writer um yeah i’m sure i’m sure i just

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got that confused so what’s your next one my

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next one is robert eggers uh werewolf wolf spelled

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with a u instead of l yeah that looks great uh

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you probably know that he did the witch and the

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northman and uh nosferatu in the lighthouse um

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and what i’m hoping with it is i hope it it’s

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kind of like the witch in terms of it feels like

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it’s from that time but i really enjoyed the

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northman i know some people who did not but i

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was one of them who did and i hope it has that

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kind of level of action yeah for sure i i actually

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got a a screener of the witch uh and my my old

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roommates who were in uh the tv academy got screeners

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of it so i saw it going i went in totally blind

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and i was like this is like fresh take i’m like

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or you know like just being super authentic uh

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to the period so i agree with you i think if

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it the more it leans into period the better i

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think it’s going to be i think that’s just strong

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suit yeah i agree and uh you know i’m a fan of

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his work in general i didn’t see the northman

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but i really did enjoy you know the other things

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i’ve seen so cool Yeah. Um, I’m really interested

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in, I got a pair of films actually, I’m going

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to talk about as one and I’m less, I’m not sure

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I’m interested in necessarily in seeing them

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as much as I’m interested in seeing how well

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they do. Uh, I mean, I I’ll probably check them

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out, but you know, they’re not on my list because

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I’m like, think they’re the most compelling coming

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forward, but they’re really, they’re, they are

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compelling in the sense of what it means for

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the industry and where it’s going. And that’s.

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Iron Lung, and the other one is The Backrooms.

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And the reason is both of these come out of YouTube

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and the internet zeitgeist. And Iron Lung in

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particular is self -funded and directed by Markiplier.

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Markiplier, if you don’t know, is a YouTuber

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who has like 23 million subscribers. And he’s

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known for live streaming video games and playing

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video games. And I don’t know, both live streaming

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and pre -recorded, but… But what’s interesting

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is this film, Iron Lung, is based on a popular

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video game that I believe is probably an indie

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game. And it follows a convict as he navigates

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an ocean of blood on a desolate moon via a submarine

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in a desperate search for survival resources,

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which is a, you know, when you know it’s from

00:13:05.779 –> 00:13:07.279
a video game, it kind of makes sense, but it’s

00:13:07.279 –> 00:13:10.399
like a kind of a batshit idea for a film, you

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know? So in watching it, It looks like it could

00:13:15.990 –> 00:13:17.769
be good, though, because it looks like it’s the

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kind of film that’s like low budget enough that

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it has the fingerprints of the filmmaker all

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over it, you know. So it could either be that

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could either make it good in the end or it could

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be its downfall, you know, kind of interesting

00:13:30.289 –> 00:13:33.909
to see. And then the second film we’ll talk about

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and I’ll talk about why I’m excited to see how

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they do is The Back Rooms. essentially that came

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out of this whole genre on youtube and also on

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more like like reddit and in 4chan as it applies

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to more writing but essentially analog horror

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is like a form it’s like a digital form of um

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horror where i don’t know you kind of mix the

00:14:00.440 –> 00:14:04.379
liminal space and in like psychological horror

00:14:04.379 –> 00:14:07.019
oftentimes with found footage and sci -fi elements

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and you know i stumbled upon the youtube channel

00:14:11.309 –> 00:14:13.750
a while ago for it um it’s super viral it’s probably

00:14:13.750 –> 00:14:16.230
probably a lot of people know about it but you

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know it kind of follows people getting stuck

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in these like weird office um back rooms i guess

00:14:23.950 –> 00:14:25.570
is the only way to put it that’s kind of like

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a maze and like crazy creepy weird shit happens

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and um this it started actually as a thread on

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4chan and then people developing on it and kind

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of like writing additional like kind of fiction

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around this concept, but it was really picked

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up by this guy named Cain Parsons on YouTube

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and it went super viral and his channel has a

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number of, of these shorts based on this concept.

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And now he’s doing a feature film and it was

00:14:55.620 –> 00:14:59.779
picked up by A24. So it, you know, it stars Mark

00:14:59.779 –> 00:15:01.779
Duplass and Finn Bennett, you know, so there’s

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some like firepower behind it, but ultimately

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it’s all derived from YouTube and the internet.

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So I’m interested to see how both of those do,

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because there’s a lot of talk going on right

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now about YouTube and YouTube creators being

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the kind of the future of Hollywood. So what

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do you what do you think about that? Well, I

00:15:19.700 –> 00:15:21.960
know. What’s the guy’s name who did the back

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rooms? That’s Kane Parsons. Kane Parsons. I think

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he’s like very young. I think he’s still a teenager.

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Wow. So I think he did the back rooms when he

00:15:30.539 –> 00:15:33.440
was like 16. Like, I think so. That’s really

00:15:33.440 –> 00:15:35.620
fascinating to me that someone that young is.

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up at bat you know yeah and those films i mean

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honestly when i saw them i thought they were

00:15:42.110 –> 00:15:45.129
pretty impressive just in terms of the atmosphere

00:15:45.129 –> 00:15:50.789
and fear factor he was able to cultivate on youtube

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you know so it’s i’m curious to see what he does

00:15:53.649 –> 00:15:55.409
when you have the budget of a feature film behind

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you right no for sure uh yeah and and basically

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if they do well, then there’s may, this might

00:16:04.490 –> 00:16:06.769
be like a proof point for what people are talking

00:16:06.769 –> 00:16:09.450
about. You know, there’s a lot of these streaming

00:16:09.450 –> 00:16:13.309
platforms are cultivating talent from YouTube

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and trying to bring them onto their platforms.

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Um, and it, and also in films as we see here.

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And so I’m curious how that works, you know,

00:16:21.470 –> 00:16:23.990
it’s, uh, it’s like where there’s smoke, there’s

00:16:23.990 –> 00:16:26.490
fire, but the way the kids call fire, that’s

00:16:26.490 –> 00:16:31.679
totally. Yeah. And you know, iron lung, um, Now,

00:16:31.679 –> 00:16:34.159
in particular, his market player self funded

00:16:34.159 –> 00:16:35.879
this, you know, you make a lot of money when

00:16:35.879 –> 00:16:38.899
you have 23 million subscribers on YouTube. And,

00:16:38.960 –> 00:16:40.820
you know, he didn’t have to compromise his vision

00:16:40.820 –> 00:16:44.019
at all. Also, he probably couldn’t like, you

00:16:44.019 –> 00:16:46.720
know, it’s probably not funded nearly to the

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extent that something else is on this list. But,

00:16:49.620 –> 00:16:52.080
but at the same time, he has this plan to self

00:16:52.080 –> 00:16:54.539
distribute it. And, you know, you would think

00:16:54.539 –> 00:16:55.820
that might be through his YouTube channel. And

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I bet you at some point, it’ll end up there.

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But He’s actually putting it in a ton of theaters.

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And so to me, that’s a really interesting model

00:17:02.629 –> 00:17:04.170
is, you know, he has all these fans that are

00:17:04.170 –> 00:17:05.750
calling local theaters and convincing them to

00:17:05.750 –> 00:17:07.910
like carry the film. Right now. That’s cool.

00:17:08.049 –> 00:17:10.630
Yeah. I fully back that. So, you know, right

00:17:10.630 –> 00:17:13.349
now I think in the industry, part of the struggles

00:17:13.349 –> 00:17:15.170
that it’s going through has a lot to do with

00:17:15.170 –> 00:17:19.809
alternate distribution for indie films, because

00:17:19.809 –> 00:17:21.869
right now there’s basically like four or five

00:17:21.869 –> 00:17:25.650
gatekeepers and it’s the big corporate entities

00:17:25.650 –> 00:17:28.299
that own the various streaming platforms. Because

00:17:28.299 –> 00:17:29.920
they’re all owned, several of them are owned

00:17:29.920 –> 00:17:33.380
by one owner. So you really only have four places

00:17:33.380 –> 00:17:37.299
to pitch ideas to these days. Yeah, man. Innovation.

00:17:38.160 –> 00:17:41.380
Key to survival. Yeah. So what do you got next

00:17:41.380 –> 00:17:44.480
on your list? So on the other side of the spectrum,

00:17:44.599 –> 00:17:46.319
I think there’s probably a lot of money behind

00:17:46.319 –> 00:17:49.180
this one. And I don’t know that much about it,

00:17:49.200 –> 00:17:50.920
but it’s also one that I don’t want to know much

00:17:50.920 –> 00:17:54.539
about besides just the loose plot. Flower Veil

00:17:54.539 –> 00:17:58.230
Street. And I didn’t even realize it until I

00:17:58.230 –> 00:18:01.670
looked it up that it was David Robert Mitchell,

00:18:01.809 –> 00:18:04.089
who’s known for It Follows, that’s behind this.

00:18:04.430 –> 00:18:07.210
I recently watched Under the Silver Lake, which

00:18:07.210 –> 00:18:08.650
I thought was kind of interesting. Oh yeah, was

00:18:08.650 –> 00:18:11.349
that good? Yeah, it’s weird, but it’s kind of

00:18:11.349 –> 00:18:15.089
a good weird. I appreciated a lot of things about

00:18:15.089 –> 00:18:17.190
it. Is it Silver Lake here in LA? Yeah, it’s

00:18:17.190 –> 00:18:21.710
very, very Los Angeles, like surreal noir. Yeah,

00:18:21.750 –> 00:18:25.089
worth checking out. But the premise of this is

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a family in the 80s starts to notice strange

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things happening in their neighborhood. So I

00:18:29.430 –> 00:18:32.029
get the sense that it’s like genre blending a

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few different things to make it kind of fun.

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Yeah. And it stars Anne Hathaway, Ewan McGregor

00:18:37.470 –> 00:18:39.910
and Maisie Stella. So it’s got a great cast and

00:18:39.910 –> 00:18:42.329
it’s for bad robots, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. That’s

00:18:42.329 –> 00:18:44.529
I think I saw that. Yeah. And that’s coming out

00:18:44.529 –> 00:18:47.069
August 14th. It sounds like. And, you know, that

00:18:47.069 –> 00:18:48.670
almost made my list, but I knew you were going

00:18:48.670 –> 00:18:51.589
to talk about it. So but I’m a big fan of It

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Follows. in general and so i’m really interested

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to see what you know he does with this concept

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and i think they’re filming they follow is that

00:18:59.319 –> 00:19:01.660
what it’s called the sequel this this year they’ve

00:19:01.660 –> 00:19:04.279
oh more more than one yeah is that is that some

00:19:04.279 –> 00:19:06.960
sort of like polyamory i don’t know metaphor

00:19:06.960 –> 00:19:10.700
i don’t know i i again that’s another thing i

00:19:10.700 –> 00:19:12.880
probably want to go sort of blind right right

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and so my last uh one here is that your last

00:19:16.039 –> 00:19:18.160
one i got one more but i got one more okay well

00:19:18.160 –> 00:19:22.130
let me drop this one So this is going to be interesting.

00:19:22.349 –> 00:19:25.450
I know nothing, very little about it. And it’s

00:19:25.450 –> 00:19:28.690
called Whale Fall. And I don’t know who directed

00:19:28.690 –> 00:19:30.349
it. Apparently, I didn’t write that in my notes.

00:19:30.390 –> 00:19:33.470
But it stars Austin Abrams. And the premise of

00:19:33.470 –> 00:19:35.809
it is fascinating. It’s about a diver who gets

00:19:35.809 –> 00:19:38.329
swallowed by a giant sperm whale. And he’s going

00:19:38.329 –> 00:19:41.009
to run out of oxygen in about an hour. That’s

00:19:41.009 –> 00:19:46.589
all I know. But it could be really great. imaginative

00:19:46.589 –> 00:19:50.869
and it’s very unique premise for a film but also

00:19:50.869 –> 00:19:52.890
it sounds kind of like it could be limiting so

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i’m interested to see how they negotiate that

00:19:56.029 –> 00:19:57.490
it’s probably got to be kind of a real -time

00:19:57.490 –> 00:20:00.630
film yeah i mean there are those movies where

00:20:00.630 –> 00:20:02.910
it’s like a ticking clock that that’s it yeah

00:20:02.910 –> 00:20:04.730
and those are fascinating because it just kind

00:20:04.730 –> 00:20:06.650
of keeps you on your edge of your seat all the

00:20:06.650 –> 00:20:08.369
time but you also imagine the stomach of whales

00:20:08.369 –> 00:20:11.769
probably not i mean they’re huge animals well

00:20:11.769 –> 00:20:13.769
but you get some room but it’s not like a lot

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of room Well, yeah, I imagine, too, there could

00:20:16.619 –> 00:20:19.359
be like sharks and swimming around. Well, I guess.

00:20:19.359 –> 00:20:22.279
Yeah, it depends on how he how the writer director

00:20:22.279 –> 00:20:25.599
takes it, you know, like or maybe it’s a portal

00:20:25.599 –> 00:20:28.680
to an interdimensional liminal space. He ends

00:20:28.680 –> 00:20:30.259
up in the back rooms. We don’t know. Could be

00:20:30.259 –> 00:20:32.019
cool. It’s interesting. When does that come out?

00:20:32.180 –> 00:20:34.759
That comes out October 23rd. Fuck yeah, it does.

00:20:34.880 –> 00:20:38.460
That’s my birthday. And that’s a national horror

00:20:38.460 –> 00:20:41.000
movie watching day. Oh, yeah, that’s going to

00:20:41.000 –> 00:20:42.619
be a nice little birthday present for you, hopefully.

00:20:43.339 –> 00:20:47.180
Right. And so the last movie that I have here

00:20:47.180 –> 00:20:52.160
is gotten some hype among people who’ve seen

00:20:52.160 –> 00:20:53.880
it. I think it’s probably played some festivals.

00:20:55.559 –> 00:20:58.279
It’s by a guy named Curry Baker. He did this

00:20:58.279 –> 00:21:00.279
short that you can watch on YouTube called The

00:21:00.279 –> 00:21:03.299
Chair that I thought was pretty creepy. So I

00:21:03.299 –> 00:21:04.700
was like, all right, man, that got my attention.

00:21:05.140 –> 00:21:07.339
He also did something called Milk and Cereal.

00:21:07.579 –> 00:21:11.240
Cereal spelled like you’d spell serial killer,

00:21:11.420 –> 00:21:15.910
which I have not seen. This one, the log line

00:21:15.910 –> 00:21:19.089
is after breaking the mysterious in quotes, one

00:21:19.089 –> 00:21:22.190
wish willow and quotes to win his crush’s heart.

00:21:22.309 –> 00:21:24.549
A hopeless romantic finds himself getting exactly

00:21:24.549 –> 00:21:26.869
what he asked for, but soon discovers that some

00:21:26.869 –> 00:21:30.750
desires come at a dark sinister price. So I’m

00:21:30.750 –> 00:21:33.529
intrigued. Yeah, that does sound good. Do you

00:21:33.529 –> 00:21:36.150
know when that’s been released or? I don’t. I

00:21:36.150 –> 00:21:39.269
feel like it’s in the spring, if not like February,

00:21:39.289 –> 00:21:42.089
but I could just be mixing something up. And

00:21:42.089 –> 00:21:44.289
what’s that called again? Obsession. Obsession.

00:21:44.289 –> 00:21:46.890
I’m going to check that out. Great. And my last

00:21:46.890 –> 00:21:48.950
one I want to talk about is, and throw a bone

00:21:48.950 –> 00:21:52.529
to people who are interested in sort of post

00:21:52.529 –> 00:21:54.750
-apocalyptic sci -fi kinds of films, which I

00:21:54.750 –> 00:21:57.970
am a big fan of those. This one’s called Worldbreaker.

00:21:58.509 –> 00:22:00.630
And it’s also coming out soon at the end of January.

00:22:01.089 –> 00:22:03.450
And it’s directed by Brad Anderson, who did Session

00:22:03.450 –> 00:22:04.990
9, which is one of my favorite horror movies,

00:22:05.150 –> 00:22:08.269
as well as The Machinist. And it stars Luke Evans

00:22:08.269 –> 00:22:13.279
and Mia Jovich. So also love Mia Jovich. And

00:22:13.279 –> 00:22:15.420
basically, it’s this post -apocalyptic alien

00:22:15.420 –> 00:22:18.339
sci -fi thriller. And it puts a family in the

00:22:18.339 –> 00:22:23.220
crosshairs of this invading alien monster, something

00:22:23.220 –> 00:22:25.019
destroying the world. The trailer looks amazing.

00:22:26.079 –> 00:22:29.140
But it’s definitely a different vibe than a lot

00:22:29.140 –> 00:22:31.119
of the films we talked about. It’s going to be

00:22:31.119 –> 00:22:35.220
bigger and more epic. But it also, I’m a big

00:22:35.220 –> 00:22:39.799
fan of alien war movies. So it’s kind of in that

00:22:39.799 –> 00:22:42.920
vein, I think. Right on. I mean, I love post

00:22:42.920 –> 00:22:46.140
-apocalyptic stuff as well. Yeah. Nice. And so

00:22:46.140 –> 00:22:48.119
there’s a few, I mean, we couldn’t touch on everything

00:22:48.119 –> 00:22:50.440
coming out, and there’s some obvious ones that

00:22:50.440 –> 00:22:52.039
probably missed our list that you might be aware

00:22:52.039 –> 00:22:54.480
of, like Disclosure Day, Steven Spielberg’s next

00:22:54.480 –> 00:22:58.200
film. Another one that, if we had time, we would

00:22:58.200 –> 00:23:00.420
have talked about is Hocum, which is the director

00:23:00.420 –> 00:23:02.700
of Oddities, Damian McCarthy’s new film, which

00:23:02.700 –> 00:23:04.579
supposedly is going to be good, so I’m stoked

00:23:04.579 –> 00:23:09.019
about that. He also did Caveat, which is great.

00:23:09.400 –> 00:23:12.480
that’s a pretty creepy, right? Like when you

00:23:12.480 –> 00:23:15.660
watch caveat, you, you, it’s like oddity is caveat

00:23:15.660 –> 00:23:18.400
with the budget. You know what I mean? Yeah.

00:23:18.440 –> 00:23:21.019
Yeah. But it’s, it’s creepy. It’s worth watching.

00:23:21.180 –> 00:23:24.279
Nice. So, oh, and then there’s the one that’s

00:23:24.279 –> 00:23:26.519
the Maggie Gyllenhaal, the bride about the bride

00:23:26.519 –> 00:23:28.039
of Frankenstein, which is going to be a tough

00:23:28.039 –> 00:23:30.460
followup after Frankenstein this year, Guillermo

00:23:30.460 –> 00:23:32.799
de Toros, but, but it’s got a great cast with

00:23:32.799 –> 00:23:34.980
Christian Bale and Jake Gyllenhaal. So stay tuned

00:23:34.980 –> 00:23:39.009
for all of those. Transitioning now into, kind

00:23:39.009 –> 00:23:43.009
of the main topic of today’s conversation is

00:23:43.009 –> 00:23:46.450
the question of like, what makes a good title?

00:23:46.470 –> 00:23:48.990
Like what’s in a name when it comes to films

00:23:48.990 –> 00:23:50.569
in particular, horror films and genre films,

00:23:50.650 –> 00:23:54.269
like what does the name matter that much? And

00:23:54.269 –> 00:23:58.910
if so, how do you choose a good one? Yeah. So

00:23:58.910 –> 00:24:03.250
titles are usually the first introduction to

00:24:03.250 –> 00:24:06.450
a movie. It’s the identity. You know, if you’re

00:24:06.450 –> 00:24:09.140
going to name a. a kid that’s going to be who

00:24:09.140 –> 00:24:10.980
that person is for the rest of their life. Unless

00:24:10.980 –> 00:24:14.119
they change their name. Um, if you’re in a band

00:24:14.119 –> 00:24:16.380
you’re leading with, you want to have a good

00:24:16.380 –> 00:24:19.220
name, you know, you’ll hold onto that until you’re

00:24:19.220 –> 00:24:20.720
like, okay, I’m gonna have this band. Like I

00:24:20.720 –> 00:24:24.480
was, I was listening to a podcast and Ephraim

00:24:24.480 –> 00:24:27.460
Schultz of the band death by stereo was on. And

00:24:27.460 –> 00:24:29.599
he was talking about how he had the title of

00:24:29.599 –> 00:24:33.119
his band’s first record years before he used

00:24:33.119 –> 00:24:35.640
it. And the title is if looks could kill, I’d

00:24:35.640 –> 00:24:38.250
watch you die. like yeah i’m not gonna let that

00:24:38.250 –> 00:24:42.589
go if i thought of that right so i think titles

00:24:42.589 –> 00:24:48.529
matter um but it’s interesting because it matters

00:24:48.529 –> 00:24:51.329
in terms of context of the movie because a movie

00:24:51.329 –> 00:24:54.230
could have a very boring title well quick you

00:24:54.230 –> 00:24:55.990
know you brought up the thing about naming your

00:24:55.990 –> 00:24:58.009
kid and that was been on my mind a lot so i just

00:24:58.009 –> 00:25:01.329
had a uh a son a couple years ago we have the

00:25:01.329 –> 00:25:04.349
naming thing it’s a whole thing you know And

00:25:04.349 –> 00:25:07.970
but we, you know, read some things and apparently

00:25:07.970 –> 00:25:11.710
there’s like studies that show names do impact

00:25:11.710 –> 00:25:15.029
like kids and how like how the name sounds can

00:25:15.029 –> 00:25:18.269
impact different aspects of their personality,

00:25:18.410 –> 00:25:19.930
but also how other people treat them and things

00:25:19.930 –> 00:25:22.269
like that. So it’s a heavy responsibility. And

00:25:22.269 –> 00:25:24.190
I think to a lesser extent, what you’re saying

00:25:24.190 –> 00:25:27.730
with bands and films, I agree. I think it’s it’s

00:25:27.730 –> 00:25:31.369
key to that first impression. No, absolutely.

00:25:32.460 –> 00:25:36.279
What what is interesting to me is a movie can

00:25:36.279 –> 00:25:40.240
have kind of a boring title. It’s like very much

00:25:40.240 –> 00:25:42.259
on the nose, actually. It’s funny because you

00:25:42.259 –> 00:25:45.079
talk about on the nose with dialogue, but movie

00:25:45.079 –> 00:25:47.440
titles are often on the nose. Yeah. But then

00:25:47.440 –> 00:25:49.799
you watch the movie and you understand why it’s

00:25:49.799 –> 00:25:53.359
called that. But then again, if you had a imagine

00:25:53.359 –> 00:25:59.359
if Jaws was just called Shark. Right. Like they

00:25:59.359 –> 00:26:01.359
did that with Alien. Right. That worked out.

00:26:02.079 –> 00:26:04.619
You know, maybe if you saw the poster for Jaws

00:26:04.619 –> 00:26:07.059
and it said shark, whatever. But you think about

00:26:07.059 –> 00:26:09.640
it like Jaws gives it so much more personality,

00:26:09.859 –> 00:26:13.160
so much more personality. And I think it’s an

00:26:13.160 –> 00:26:15.200
art form. If you come up with a great title,

00:26:15.299 –> 00:26:19.740
it’s awesome. But as a writer, it’s you don’t

00:26:19.740 –> 00:26:21.660
always have the title first and you have a placeholder

00:26:21.660 –> 00:26:22.880
and then you get to the end of it and you’re

00:26:22.880 –> 00:26:25.059
like, oh, shit, I don’t have a good name for

00:26:25.059 –> 00:26:28.269
this. And you might never. So you just name like

00:26:28.269 –> 00:26:30.369
I’ll name a character, name it after a character

00:26:30.369 –> 00:26:34.009
or a place or something. And one thing I wanted

00:26:34.009 –> 00:26:37.309
to say to Chris is last week you you asked what

00:26:37.309 –> 00:26:39.390
you know, how do you get an idea for a movie?

00:26:39.990 –> 00:26:43.549
And once upon a time, I had a word that I was

00:26:43.549 –> 00:26:45.109
thinking of and I was like, oh, I could totally

00:26:45.109 –> 00:26:47.309
do a movie. And this is kind of silly, but if

00:26:47.309 –> 00:26:50.589
you want to think of a way to come up with a

00:26:50.589 –> 00:26:52.789
concept for a movie, this could be a lesson.

00:26:53.390 –> 00:26:56.349
uh i thought of the word alpha male but not in

00:26:56.349 –> 00:26:59.470
the like axe body spray tap out shirt tough guy

00:26:59.470 –> 00:27:02.569
nonsense i was like a play on words alpha and

00:27:02.569 –> 00:27:06.150
then male m -a -i -l and i was like oh you know

00:27:06.150 –> 00:27:08.369
this was the late 90s and you had rob schneider

00:27:08.369 –> 00:27:10.849
you could do a comedy where you have a male courier

00:27:10.849 –> 00:27:14.069
who’s you know needs money in the post office

00:27:14.069 –> 00:27:16.569
is like gonna give a big raise to the fastest

00:27:16.569 –> 00:27:20.069
mailman boom you know when i was younger i would

00:27:20.069 –> 00:27:23.630
have watched that probably uh No, it’s I mean,

00:27:23.630 –> 00:27:29.190
that’s all really good points. So it’s just kind

00:27:29.190 –> 00:27:33.650
of interesting to dissect titles and we want

00:27:33.650 –> 00:27:36.670
to go through some we think are great and others

00:27:36.670 –> 00:27:40.690
that, you know, could probably use work. But

00:27:40.690 –> 00:27:42.650
yeah, they’re they’re kind of grandfathered in

00:27:42.650 –> 00:27:45.210
at this point. You don’t think of them otherwise.

00:27:45.490 –> 00:27:48.349
Yeah. Just as a fun exercise. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

00:27:48.970 –> 00:27:50.829
Before we get there, we, you know, we have some

00:27:50.829 –> 00:27:53.009
more specific advice for if you’re trying to

00:27:53.009 –> 00:27:55.410
name a film or, you know, a band, perhaps, you

00:27:55.410 –> 00:27:57.609
know, things that you could think about. And,

00:27:57.609 –> 00:28:00.690
you know, I’ve had to name a lot of things in

00:28:00.690 –> 00:28:03.190
my career, both as a filmmaker, but also, you

00:28:03.190 –> 00:28:05.390
know, doing bands or all side hustles and projects

00:28:05.390 –> 00:28:08.390
that I’ve had. And, you know, not all of them

00:28:08.390 –> 00:28:10.269
are that, you know, some of them just like, like

00:28:10.269 –> 00:28:11.829
you were kind of hinting at just like leap out

00:28:11.829 –> 00:28:14.289
to you. And then other ones, you never find a

00:28:14.289 –> 00:28:17.609
good title or name for and it could be a real

00:28:17.609 –> 00:28:21.180
struggle. And, you know, which is a mixed blessing,

00:28:21.279 –> 00:28:22.779
I think, because usually that indicates that

00:28:22.779 –> 00:28:25.000
your film is pretty complex, I think. But also

00:28:25.000 –> 00:28:29.700
you want a good title, right? So, yeah, like

00:28:29.700 –> 00:28:34.640
give me one element of something that makes a

00:28:34.640 –> 00:28:40.779
good title for a film. So to me, I think if it’s

00:28:40.779 –> 00:28:47.230
if it’s sort of thought provoking. not too on

00:28:47.230 –> 00:28:51.170
the nose, almost poetic. I think it can be interesting,

00:28:51.329 –> 00:28:55.970
but at the same time, it could be totally opposite

00:28:55.970 –> 00:28:58.809
of that and still work. So if you take the movie

00:28:58.809 –> 00:29:02.430
400 blows, I have no idea what that movie is

00:29:02.430 –> 00:29:04.410
about. I’ve, I’ve recently watched it and really

00:29:04.410 –> 00:29:07.609
enjoyed it, but it’s a French movie. And so 400

00:29:07.609 –> 00:29:10.369
blows in French, I’m not going to even attempt

00:29:10.369 –> 00:29:14.599
the translation. But it translates basically

00:29:14.599 –> 00:29:17.700
to to live a wildlife. So that had been called

00:29:17.700 –> 00:29:20.759
Hellraiser. I would have seen that years and

00:29:20.759 –> 00:29:24.380
years ago. Right. But 400 Blows just is like,

00:29:24.420 –> 00:29:26.140
I don’t know what that is. So it’s kind of interesting

00:29:26.140 –> 00:29:28.460
on its own. Right. That’s a really good point.

00:29:28.539 –> 00:29:31.319
Yeah, I think that you hit the nail on the head.

00:29:31.400 –> 00:29:33.880
It’s like you really want I mean, at the end

00:29:33.880 –> 00:29:37.799
of the day, a title. In addition to giving your

00:29:37.799 –> 00:29:41.059
project a name and an identity. It’s also a marketing

00:29:41.059 –> 00:29:43.400
tool, right? Oh, absolutely. And so what you’re

00:29:43.400 –> 00:29:45.799
saying essentially is that you want to create,

00:29:46.099 –> 00:29:50.839
you want it to be evocative in a way that people

00:29:50.839 –> 00:29:53.220
want to spend their money and their time seeing

00:29:53.220 –> 00:29:56.960
it. Right. Well, here’s another example that’s

00:29:56.960 –> 00:29:59.900
kind of fascinating. A year or two ago, a movie

00:29:59.900 –> 00:30:02.220
called The Cursed came out, werewolf movie. I

00:30:02.220 –> 00:30:05.880
liked it. The original title is Eight for Silver,

00:30:06.000 –> 00:30:08.180
which I think is a much more interesting title.

00:30:08.359 –> 00:30:11.829
I agree. Because the cursed is generic in this.

00:30:11.910 –> 00:30:13.470
It’s generic in the way that I’ll still watch

00:30:13.470 –> 00:30:16.009
the movie. But, you know, it doesn’t stand out

00:30:16.009 –> 00:30:17.529
at me because there’s probably a million movies

00:30:17.529 –> 00:30:22.109
with cursed in it. Yeah, for sure. And, you know,

00:30:22.109 –> 00:30:26.390
to that end, I think that the more that that

00:30:26.390 –> 00:30:29.829
evocative name can also capture the theme, the

00:30:29.829 –> 00:30:32.589
underlying theme, like or hint at it. And that

00:30:32.589 –> 00:30:34.990
doesn’t have to be super obvious to me, but like

00:30:34.990 –> 00:30:39.269
like a truly amazing film. is like after you

00:30:39.269 –> 00:30:41.549
see it you know it’s a good title before you

00:30:41.549 –> 00:30:43.250
see it but then after you see it it takes on

00:30:43.250 –> 00:30:45.730
like another dimension yes yeah i really like

00:30:45.730 –> 00:30:48.089
that that’s exactly that’s that’s what you want

00:30:48.089 –> 00:30:52.049
to aim for but it’s very hard and it’s yeah it’s

00:30:52.049 –> 00:30:54.329
it’s challenging to come up with a great title

00:30:54.329 –> 00:30:56.869
as you’ll see yeah yeah you know and there’s

00:30:56.869 –> 00:30:59.569
some other things to keep in mind that like probably

00:30:59.569 –> 00:31:04.769
aren’t as any one of these aren’t as crucial

00:31:04.769 –> 00:31:07.109
but they’re just some good things to keep in

00:31:07.109 –> 00:31:11.119
mind like uh, relatively short titles are better

00:31:11.119 –> 00:31:13.519
because sometimes when they’re long people, you

00:31:13.519 –> 00:31:16.900
know, have a hard time remembering them or like

00:31:16.900 –> 00:31:18.759
weird things with the internet these days, you

00:31:18.759 –> 00:31:20.980
know, just the not being enough room for the

00:31:20.980 –> 00:31:23.420
name or the title having to be smaller because

00:31:23.420 –> 00:31:25.279
there’s so many words in it. You know, those

00:31:25.279 –> 00:31:27.720
are more like logic, uh, logistical concerns,

00:31:27.859 –> 00:31:30.339
but you know, it’s sometimes like short and to

00:31:30.339 –> 00:31:33.160
the point is good. Having said that there are

00:31:33.160 –> 00:31:35.640
some long films. I really like long film titles

00:31:35.640 –> 00:31:38.119
that I really like. So Oh, totally. I think actually

00:31:38.119 –> 00:31:41.720
most of my list is, is on the longer side, uh,

00:31:41.920 –> 00:31:44.440
with, with the word. Yeah. Like if it works,

00:31:44.480 –> 00:31:46.539
it works. Um, is at the end of the day, I think

00:31:46.539 –> 00:31:49.180
it it’s, you know, you don’t have to be beholden

00:31:49.180 –> 00:31:54.000
to any rules, but, um, I think the reason that

00:31:54.000 –> 00:31:56.519
the longer ones sometimes work is because it

00:31:56.519 –> 00:31:58.359
gets a little bit more, what you were just talking

00:31:58.359 –> 00:32:02.500
about, this sort of evocative and, and, you know,

00:32:02.500 –> 00:32:06.299
almost more descriptive. It like paints a picture

00:32:06.299 –> 00:32:09.359
for you. Yeah, it gives you something to latch

00:32:09.359 –> 00:32:13.259
on to. It’s just not a generic two words. Yeah,

00:32:13.279 –> 00:32:15.640
and it goes with the next thing that I was going

00:32:15.640 –> 00:32:17.900
to say, which is unique. And, you know, when

00:32:17.900 –> 00:32:20.299
the shorter a title, the harder it is to be unique.

00:32:20.680 –> 00:32:23.259
So sometimes making it longer is a way to make

00:32:23.259 –> 00:32:26.019
it unique. And, you know, that’s important for

00:32:26.019 –> 00:32:27.500
all sorts of reasons. You know, you don’t want

00:32:27.500 –> 00:32:31.180
your film to be confused with other films. You

00:32:31.180 –> 00:32:32.640
know, there might be some legal concerns around

00:32:32.640 –> 00:32:36.079
that. Right. I mean, another little anecdote

00:32:36.079 –> 00:32:38.680
we have is the thing we shot is called Last Call.

00:32:39.380 –> 00:32:41.920
That’s not a very unique title. But if you’re

00:32:41.920 –> 00:32:44.519
thinking of a horror movie in a bar, that’s the

00:32:44.519 –> 00:32:47.579
perfect name. It fits. Right. So a lot of movies,

00:32:47.660 –> 00:32:51.299
I feel like, take that, you know, alley. Yeah.

00:32:51.400 –> 00:32:53.299
With what they’re naming themselves. Totally.

00:32:53.380 –> 00:32:56.220
And, you know, it also depends on if there are

00:32:56.220 –> 00:32:59.839
other films named something either the same or

00:32:59.839 –> 00:33:02.880
very similar. you know you could have a simple

00:33:02.880 –> 00:33:06.259
common sounding name that actually is pretty

00:33:06.259 –> 00:33:08.119
unique because no one’s taken it before you know

00:33:08.119 –> 00:33:11.400
so you know there’s all everything has an asterisk

00:33:11.400 –> 00:33:13.519
in it it’s all to say that it depends in the

00:33:13.519 –> 00:33:15.599
end of the day but uh but yeah with last call

00:33:15.599 –> 00:33:18.420
in particular we found out after we shot it and

00:33:18.420 –> 00:33:21.160
um had been you know pitching it as with this

00:33:21.160 –> 00:33:23.359
title we found out there’s another short with

00:33:23.359 –> 00:33:26.440
a similarish premise that was supposed to be

00:33:26.440 –> 00:33:28.640
shot after ours i don’t i’m assuming it’s still

00:33:28.640 –> 00:33:30.769
happening i don’t even know But we had to have

00:33:30.769 –> 00:33:32.829
a conversation about it. Is it worth changing

00:33:32.829 –> 00:33:35.869
the name? And we ultimately decided. Right. This

00:33:35.869 –> 00:33:38.289
is the case where we couldn’t think of a better

00:33:38.289 –> 00:33:40.549
title. Yeah. Couldn’t think of a better title.

00:33:42.289 –> 00:33:44.390
And also, you know, like at the end of the day,

00:33:44.490 –> 00:33:47.109
the risk is less when it’s a short film than

00:33:47.109 –> 00:33:51.710
when it’s a feature film. But one last thing

00:33:51.710 –> 00:33:53.529
I’ll say before I guess we move on to the next

00:33:53.529 –> 00:33:56.609
thing is I would say you don’t want your title

00:33:56.609 –> 00:33:59.700
to sound like an afterthought. yeah and that

00:33:59.700 –> 00:34:02.579
happens way way too much that’s yeah that feels

00:34:02.579 –> 00:34:04.980
like that’s 50 yeah and i think that happens

00:34:04.980 –> 00:34:06.599
a lot of times when people there isn’t an obvious

00:34:06.599 –> 00:34:11.440
choice and well either it the big you know caveat

00:34:11.440 –> 00:34:14.599
with this whole conversation is like the if you’re

00:34:14.599 –> 00:34:18.380
doing this with funders like a studio or a big

00:34:18.380 –> 00:34:20.380
funder who has a lot of say in the final product

00:34:20.380 –> 00:34:22.719
they might have an opinion about what the title

00:34:22.719 –> 00:34:25.190
is and they might not be as creative as you They

00:34:25.190 –> 00:34:27.010
might not, they might have different concerns

00:34:27.010 –> 00:34:28.889
than you when it comes to naming a title. And,

00:34:28.909 –> 00:34:30.369
you know, obviously that’s a discussion you’re

00:34:30.369 –> 00:34:32.150
going to have to have with them as a creative,

00:34:32.250 –> 00:34:36.269
but so it might not be entirely in your control.

00:34:36.369 –> 00:34:37.949
I’ve got, you know, for instance, a friend of

00:34:37.949 –> 00:34:42.849
mine, he made a film, which it’s a documentary,

00:34:42.989 –> 00:34:45.230
but it’s heavily features a lot of recreations

00:34:45.230 –> 00:34:48.210
and it’s pretty humorous. And it was called.

00:34:53.070 –> 00:34:55.250
Is that the title? What was it? No, I forget

00:34:55.250 –> 00:34:56.769
the name of it now. But it was a pretty good

00:34:56.769 –> 00:34:59.269
title. And then they sold it to Netflix. And

00:34:59.269 –> 00:35:00.829
Netflix made them change it to The Legend of

00:35:00.829 –> 00:35:03.349
Cocaine Island. Which, if you haven’t seen it,

00:35:03.369 –> 00:35:05.309
is a great film. Go check it out. But it’s a

00:35:05.309 –> 00:35:07.969
much worse title than what it was before. But

00:35:07.969 –> 00:35:10.829
it’s more descriptive. And I think that there’s

00:35:10.829 –> 00:35:14.050
keywords in it that might make people click on

00:35:14.050 –> 00:35:18.650
it more. And so that’s what a company like Netflix

00:35:18.650 –> 00:35:20.599
is concerned with. who’s going to click on this.

00:35:20.679 –> 00:35:24.719
Yeah. And that might not be in their view compatible

00:35:24.719 –> 00:35:26.980
with whatever creative name that you come up

00:35:26.980 –> 00:35:30.659
with. I don’t, I mean, that’s a wild name, but

00:35:30.659 –> 00:35:33.079
I get it because it’s a wild concept. It is,

00:35:33.079 –> 00:35:35.280
but it also compared to what the movie is. I

00:35:35.280 –> 00:35:39.119
thought like it, it logically makes sense, but

00:35:39.119 –> 00:35:40.980
it, it just doesn’t fit the vibe of the movie

00:35:40.980 –> 00:35:44.880
in my opinion. Yeah. Um, but it was really just

00:35:44.880 –> 00:35:46.539
in comparison to the original, which was better.

00:35:47.519 –> 00:35:50.889
So, yeah. So, that kind of tees up the next little

00:35:50.889 –> 00:35:52.710
bit of this conversation which is there are a

00:35:52.710 –> 00:35:55.650
number of logistical concerns um for instance

00:35:55.650 –> 00:35:59.789
a big one for me is if it’s easy to spell and

00:35:59.789 –> 00:36:04.309
i kind of learned this the hard way like so i

00:36:04.309 –> 00:36:06.530
my last feature documentary is called currency

00:36:06.530 –> 00:36:09.969
and it’s current like uh current and water so

00:36:09.969 –> 00:36:15.550
c -u -r -r -e -n -t and then c like s -e -a and

00:36:15.550 –> 00:36:17.840
the reason i named it that is because It’s a

00:36:17.840 –> 00:36:21.179
play on words and it fits because it’s about

00:36:21.179 –> 00:36:23.539
illegal fishing and overfishing in the ocean.

00:36:23.639 –> 00:36:28.119
And so currency, right, it kind of evokes this

00:36:28.119 –> 00:36:33.079
idea of exploiting the ocean. But whenever I

00:36:33.079 –> 00:36:35.320
tell it to somebody, I have to explain that it’s

00:36:35.320 –> 00:36:37.579
not spelled the normal way currency is spelled,

00:36:37.639 –> 00:36:40.420
but it’s current in C. And let me tell you, that’s

00:36:40.420 –> 00:36:42.659
actually like gets annoying after a while, but

00:36:42.659 –> 00:36:45.559
also makes it hard for people to. remember when

00:36:45.559 –> 00:36:46.880
they want to go home and look oh interesting

00:36:46.880 –> 00:36:50.320
so i have some small regrets naming it that it’s

00:36:50.320 –> 00:36:52.260
i mean i do like the name in general but like

00:36:52.260 –> 00:36:55.780
that aspect of it was kind of a little bit of

00:36:55.780 –> 00:37:02.039
a regret there goes my alpha male id well i don’t

00:37:02.039 –> 00:37:03.219
know that might be a little different i’m kidding

00:37:03.219 –> 00:37:06.320
you know at least the problem with currency though

00:37:06.320 –> 00:37:08.860
is that it’s like you people think it’s a totally

00:37:08.860 –> 00:37:11.039
different word not like a different spelling

00:37:11.039 –> 00:37:14.829
of the word right so yeah just be like here i’ll

00:37:14.829 –> 00:37:17.469
just text you the the movie and then you send

00:37:17.469 –> 00:37:19.389
them to the imdb and they’re like oh clever yeah

00:37:19.389 –> 00:37:21.349
yeah exactly and you know people like it when

00:37:21.349 –> 00:37:23.010
they know but it’s like getting them yeah that

00:37:23.010 –> 00:37:25.650
understanding is hard and uh you know along with

00:37:25.650 –> 00:37:29.289
that is is also easy to um so it’s easy to spell

00:37:29.289 –> 00:37:32.489
but also easy for people to find so like seo

00:37:32.489 –> 00:37:34.949
reasons is something to really think about this

00:37:34.949 –> 00:37:38.900
day and age because if you’re like have some

00:37:38.900 –> 00:37:41.280
like name that sounds a lot like other names

00:37:41.280 –> 00:37:45.679
or is hard to spell um when someone sits down

00:37:45.679 –> 00:37:48.079
to like google it like it might not come up or

00:37:48.079 –> 00:37:50.380
they might type in the wrong thing and they never

00:37:50.380 –> 00:37:54.579
find it you know so more and more we gotta like

00:37:54.579 –> 00:37:57.960
think about the internet yeah always yeah the

00:37:57.960 –> 00:38:00.460
other obvious thing is you know what other titles

00:38:00.460 –> 00:38:02.840
are out there and from a legal perspective if

00:38:02.840 –> 00:38:07.780
you can name it uh the same thing and When you

00:38:07.780 –> 00:38:13.460
finish a film, you have to get errors and emissions

00:38:13.460 –> 00:38:16.179
insurance. And part of that is doing a title

00:38:16.179 –> 00:38:19.719
search to see what other films are named the

00:38:19.719 –> 00:38:21.940
same or something very similar when they came

00:38:21.940 –> 00:38:25.440
out. And they use that to evaluate the level

00:38:25.440 –> 00:38:28.119
of risk in terms of being sued for intellectual

00:38:28.119 –> 00:38:30.780
property and things like that. I don’t know that

00:38:30.780 –> 00:38:34.099
it’s that big of a factor because you see movies

00:38:34.099 –> 00:38:37.010
named the same thing all the time. But I think

00:38:37.010 –> 00:38:38.769
it really does have to do with if it’s the same

00:38:38.769 –> 00:38:41.429
year, like if the other film is a bigger film

00:38:41.429 –> 00:38:44.889
and has, you know, a larger budget and legal

00:38:44.889 –> 00:38:48.130
team behind it, those kinds of things. But it’s

00:38:48.130 –> 00:38:50.550
just something to put on your radar that, you

00:38:50.550 –> 00:38:52.909
know, there might be some challenges in the legal

00:38:52.909 –> 00:38:54.809
clearing on the back end and you might have to

00:38:54.809 –> 00:38:58.909
find another name. Do you have any like personal

00:38:58.909 –> 00:39:02.800
preferences on what you like in a name? Because

00:39:02.800 –> 00:39:04.920
I think I have more of, like, pet peeves than,

00:39:04.940 –> 00:39:07.199
like, a checklist of things I like. Well, I got

00:39:07.199 –> 00:39:08.840
a little bit of that, too. Like, for instance,

00:39:09.059 –> 00:39:10.679
I’ll just go through my list real quick to see

00:39:10.679 –> 00:39:13.940
what I’m talking about. Like, I do like names

00:39:13.940 –> 00:39:16.280
that are, like, puns or play on words a lot of

00:39:16.280 –> 00:39:20.500
times, if it fits the movie. But I just, you

00:39:20.500 –> 00:39:22.420
know, there’s something about a title working

00:39:22.420 –> 00:39:24.980
on multiple levels that I think just makes it

00:39:24.980 –> 00:39:27.179
feel a little more satisfying. So there’s that,

00:39:27.400 –> 00:39:30.139
and then there’s… you know, I sometimes like

00:39:30.139 –> 00:39:32.039
very literal names, like you were saying earlier,

00:39:32.199 –> 00:39:36.960
you know, like shark or, but I also kind of think

00:39:36.960 –> 00:39:40.500
those work better with more comedic films when

00:39:40.500 –> 00:39:43.320
it’s like just blatantly literal and on the nose,

00:39:43.360 –> 00:39:47.559
like, I mean, scary movie or something like that.

00:39:48.300 –> 00:39:51.619
So, uh, and, and I’m a fan of alliteration. I

00:39:51.619 –> 00:39:53.460
think most people are subconsciously. So yeah,

00:39:53.480 –> 00:39:57.820
no, I hear you. Yeah. And I also like that’s

00:39:57.820 –> 00:40:00.659
the mystery behind it, like makes you want to

00:40:00.659 –> 00:40:04.860
know more. Right. And I mean, I like titles that

00:40:04.860 –> 00:40:08.739
are suggestive that don’t spell out exactly what

00:40:08.739 –> 00:40:11.780
it is, but clues you in enough to get your like

00:40:11.780 –> 00:40:14.940
get your attention. Yeah. Cool. So then, yeah,

00:40:15.019 –> 00:40:20.019
tell us what what titles that you like. OK, so

00:40:20.019 –> 00:40:22.659
we what we did is we challenged each other to.

00:40:23.480 –> 00:40:25.579
come up with a list of names we liked and then

00:40:25.579 –> 00:40:27.880
a few that we didn’t and we’ll discuss the ones

00:40:27.880 –> 00:40:29.960
we didn’t in more detail and perhaps suggest

00:40:29.960 –> 00:40:32.820
alternate titles that might have been better

00:40:32.820 –> 00:40:35.880
and uh these are films that could have been made

00:40:35.880 –> 00:40:38.260
whenever but we just wanted to use them as a

00:40:38.260 –> 00:40:40.420
way to illustrate the points we’re talking about

00:40:40.420 –> 00:40:43.800
so what are some names that you like okay i love

00:40:43.800 –> 00:40:46.619
the title in the mouth of madness That has a

00:40:46.619 –> 00:40:48.980
little alliteration. It rolls off the tongue.

00:40:49.159 –> 00:40:51.320
That was also on my list. It gets you wondering

00:40:51.320 –> 00:40:54.840
what that means. It’s not the mouth of madness.

00:40:54.980 –> 00:40:58.679
It’s in the mouth of madness. Whose mouth? It’s

00:40:58.679 –> 00:41:02.820
just like that’s a movie I want to see if I just

00:41:02.820 –> 00:41:04.659
see the words. I mean, that is evocative, right?

00:41:05.019 –> 00:41:08.440
Very evocative. So that’s the first one that

00:41:08.440 –> 00:41:11.260
came to mind. I think Back to the Future is a

00:41:11.260 –> 00:41:12.940
great title. Oh, yeah. That’s a good one. It’s

00:41:12.940 –> 00:41:16.360
an oxymoron. You know, the movie. if you’re going

00:41:16.360 –> 00:41:18.079
back to the future you’re actually going back

00:41:18.079 –> 00:41:21.940
to the present right and the movie um but it

00:41:21.940 –> 00:41:24.260
i think makes more sense once you see the movie

00:41:24.260 –> 00:41:28.420
yeah you know for a comedy time travel movie

00:41:28.420 –> 00:41:30.059
exactly you could think about that title for

00:41:30.059 –> 00:41:33.539
a while and you know like i did like it’s it’s

00:41:33.539 –> 00:41:35.820
clever like these titles most of the ones i’m

00:41:35.820 –> 00:41:37.880
saying i think people really want the extra mile

00:41:37.880 –> 00:41:40.820
with with thinking of it they show imagination

00:41:40.820 –> 00:41:42.900
i think that’s what i really appreciate in titles

00:41:43.619 –> 00:41:47.380
um another one is the hills have eyes it’s like

00:41:47.380 –> 00:41:49.760
you’re being watched by who it’s like you all

00:41:49.760 –> 00:41:52.579
right that’s exactly you immediately feel like

00:41:52.579 –> 00:41:56.940
you’re being watched um true lies another oxymoron

00:41:56.940 –> 00:41:59.519
makes more sense once you see it right right

00:41:59.519 –> 00:42:03.780
um the hand that rocks the cradle that is you

00:42:03.780 –> 00:42:06.480
know if it was just like the nanny that watches

00:42:06.480 –> 00:42:09.940
the baby it does not hit the same way you’re

00:42:09.940 –> 00:42:13.820
right so it’s like the cradle is a great word

00:42:13.820 –> 00:42:16.420
it is a great word actually i agree and and also

00:42:16.420 –> 00:42:19.400
the hand right because you know in in films we

00:42:19.400 –> 00:42:24.059
film body parts like hands and eyes quite a lot

00:42:24.059 –> 00:42:27.380
because they’re very expressive yeah and so don’t

00:42:27.380 –> 00:42:29.940
underestimate don’t sleep on a hand man because

00:42:29.940 –> 00:42:33.170
a hand really is evocative. No, no, for sure.

00:42:33.309 –> 00:42:35.570
I love that word evocative too, by the way. Yeah.

00:42:35.750 –> 00:42:39.210
I clocked that another one. I mean, it’s Shakespeare,

00:42:39.369 –> 00:42:41.389
so you can’t go wrong. Something wicked this

00:42:41.389 –> 00:42:44.429
way comes. Yeah. It’s ominous. It’s threatening

00:42:44.429 –> 00:42:47.449
yet. It’s poetic and it’s proper grammar. Like

00:42:47.449 –> 00:42:49.130
you say, bad things are coming my way. It just

00:42:49.130 –> 00:42:53.190
does not have the same ring. Right. Um, another

00:42:53.190 –> 00:42:56.750
one that’s a little, uh, more simple, but still

00:42:56.750 –> 00:43:00.429
suggestive is wait until dark. you know it’s

00:43:00.429 –> 00:43:02.789
kind of straight to the point right it’s teasing

00:43:02.789 –> 00:43:05.610
that something bad’s gonna happen at dark uh

00:43:05.610 –> 00:43:08.010
here’s a western the good the bad and the ugly

00:43:08.010 –> 00:43:10.670
who’s the good who’s the bad who’s the ugly it’s

00:43:10.670 –> 00:43:13.590
you know three nouns but they’re progressively

00:43:13.590 –> 00:43:15.909
getting worse it’s such a great film too yeah

00:43:15.909 –> 00:43:20.349
i mean it earns its title um the next is hard

00:43:20.349 –> 00:43:23.349
candy because if you watch the movie it’s kind

00:43:23.349 –> 00:43:26.650
of flipping that that whole thing of like don’t

00:43:26.650 –> 00:43:30.750
take candy from strangers with a kid who’s trapping

00:43:30.750 –> 00:43:35.789
a pedophile and it hard candy, right? Yeah. It’s

00:43:35.789 –> 00:43:38.630
a, it totally works. Yeah. And it sounds, it’s,

00:43:38.630 –> 00:43:43.349
it sounds like what it’s also. Yes. Yeah. That’s

00:43:43.349 –> 00:43:45.570
the thing too, is they, they lean towards what

00:43:45.570 –> 00:43:49.949
they are. The last one is people under the stairs.

00:43:51.059 –> 00:43:53.260
that’s a little bit, that’s another kind of longer

00:43:53.260 –> 00:43:55.280
one, but I’m wondering. That one is a bit on

00:43:55.280 –> 00:43:57.500
the nose. Yeah, no, it, it totally is. That’s,

00:43:57.500 –> 00:43:59.099
that’s kind of breaking the rules of everything

00:43:59.099 –> 00:44:01.039
I’m saying here. But see, and you can, there’s

00:44:01.039 –> 00:44:02.960
always exceptions that work, you know? Right.

00:44:03.079 –> 00:44:05.019
Just cause it’s like, well, people under the

00:44:05.019 –> 00:44:07.260
stairs sounds all right. Why are people under

00:44:07.260 –> 00:44:10.500
the stairs? Yeah. Um, so those were, those were

00:44:10.500 –> 00:44:13.460
10 that I, uh, came up with of titles that I

00:44:13.460 –> 00:44:15.300
really like. Great. Why don’t you save your,

00:44:15.360 –> 00:44:18.320
uh, ones you didn’t like, and then we’ll have

00:44:18.320 –> 00:44:21.940
a, do those together. yeah yeah so my the ones

00:44:21.940 –> 00:44:25.480
that i liked that i came up with were it follows

00:44:25.480 –> 00:44:27.780
which we touched on a little bit earlier but

00:44:27.780 –> 00:44:30.420
i i really like it as a name for a film because

00:44:30.420 –> 00:44:35.059
it there’s something ominous about something

00:44:35.059 –> 00:44:38.219
following you and you don’t know what and it

00:44:38.219 –> 00:44:41.840
just you know when you see the film there is

00:44:41.840 –> 00:44:47.840
this sort of uh steady ominous aspect to the

00:44:47.840 –> 00:44:52.760
creature following And the name kind of sells

00:44:52.760 –> 00:44:56.980
that immediately, you know? The title just evokes,

00:44:57.000 –> 00:44:59.880
like, it follows. Oh, I’m with you. It’s also

00:44:59.880 –> 00:45:02.519
a minor threat song. Nice. I didn’t know that.

00:45:02.900 –> 00:45:05.099
Presley didn’t know that. I also really like

00:45:05.099 –> 00:45:08.500
Nope. And it’s not to say that I’m, you know,

00:45:08.539 –> 00:45:11.219
not all of these are, I think, are like the best

00:45:11.219 –> 00:45:13.340
films necessarily, but I thought Nope really

00:45:13.340 –> 00:45:17.500
kind of expressed the tone of Jordan Peele’s

00:45:17.500 –> 00:45:21.219
style of horror. you know, where it’s got a slight

00:45:21.219 –> 00:45:25.039
comedic undertone to it. And in that particular

00:45:25.039 –> 00:45:28.559
film, you just know there’s going to be a moment

00:45:28.559 –> 00:45:31.179
where you see that the character sees something

00:45:31.179 –> 00:45:32.820
and then nope’s out of there. You know, it’s

00:45:32.820 –> 00:45:34.320
like, it’s just, I think it’s kind of brilliant

00:45:34.320 –> 00:45:36.139
and it’s fresh. It’s unique. It’s a different

00:45:36.139 –> 00:45:38.719
take on a title. Well, all right. So this is

00:45:38.719 –> 00:45:41.059
a rumor. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but

00:45:41.059 –> 00:45:43.139
I had heard that nope stood for not of planet

00:45:43.139 –> 00:45:45.840
earth. Did you ever hear of anything? I didn’t.

00:45:47.340 –> 00:45:50.130
That would be interesting. but also wouldn’t

00:45:50.130 –> 00:45:53.030
have been was it all capitalized or like i don’t

00:45:53.030 –> 00:45:54.989
i don’t know because i i think i had read that

00:45:54.989 –> 00:45:57.449
before the movie came out and i was like oh that’s

00:45:57.449 –> 00:45:59.289
why he called it so then i was kind of clued

00:45:59.289 –> 00:46:01.409
into one of the aspects well it could be one

00:46:01.409 –> 00:46:03.369
of those things where you have the title and

00:46:03.369 –> 00:46:04.769
you’re like and it could stand for this and then

00:46:04.769 –> 00:46:06.849
it’s like layered you know like but either way

00:46:06.849 –> 00:46:09.130
i still like it you know even it might like it

00:46:09.130 –> 00:46:11.050
more if it also stands for that or did stand

00:46:11.050 –> 00:46:14.949
for that um so then i had let the right one in

00:46:15.650 –> 00:46:18.050
which is another longer one, but also I kind

00:46:18.050 –> 00:46:22.510
of feel like is right. It’s like almost like

00:46:22.510 –> 00:46:25.909
a line of caution. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah.

00:46:26.190 –> 00:46:30.190
So it kind of sets up that, that dynamic just

00:46:30.190 –> 00:46:33.030
from the title. And I really liked that. Do you,

00:46:33.030 –> 00:46:36.630
do you think let me in is a better title or let

00:46:36.630 –> 00:46:38.630
the right one in? Cause let me in, I believe

00:46:38.630 –> 00:46:42.110
is the American remake. I prefer let the right

00:46:42.110 –> 00:46:45.769
one in. Same. Yeah. uh then i had under the skin

00:46:45.769 –> 00:46:50.409
which i actually really like because well skin’s

00:46:50.409 –> 00:46:54.010
a great word and under the skin you know you’re

00:46:54.010 –> 00:46:56.929
already kind of like getting into gore you know

00:46:56.929 –> 00:46:59.610
vibe right yeah something gets under your skin

00:46:59.610 –> 00:47:01.789
yeah and something gets under your skin and also

00:47:01.789 –> 00:47:05.869
you know is is something wearing a skin like

00:47:05.869 –> 00:47:09.960
in like a is there like a something trying to

00:47:09.960 –> 00:47:12.679
hide or or like pretend like it’s a human you

00:47:12.679 –> 00:47:14.159
know i mean there’s all sorts of ways you could

00:47:14.159 –> 00:47:17.179
take that and uh it’s dark so yeah i just really

00:47:17.179 –> 00:47:22.360
like it and so this one um i like the title for

00:47:22.360 –> 00:47:25.579
more than i probably like the film but saw and

00:47:25.579 –> 00:47:27.559
this is one of those ones where it’s literal

00:47:27.559 –> 00:47:33.639
but also it it’s like a word that you wouldn’t

00:47:33.639 –> 00:47:36.659
necessarily just name something but it works

00:47:36.659 –> 00:47:39.260
on because it’s just torture porn and there’s

00:47:39.260 –> 00:47:42.519
so many saws and it’s it’s a harsh word you know

00:47:42.519 –> 00:47:45.340
it just you just know someone’s gonna get cut

00:47:45.340 –> 00:47:47.559
well it’s funny when that when that was coming

00:47:47.559 –> 00:47:50.320
out or i think there was buzz before it came

00:47:50.320 –> 00:47:53.099
out i and i was like saw it’s like what what

00:47:53.099 –> 00:47:55.860
someone saw like not the tool but the oh yeah

00:47:55.860 –> 00:47:59.300
past tense of scene so i didn’t i didn’t know

00:47:59.300 –> 00:48:02.360
that that until i watched it ah interesting i

00:48:02.360 –> 00:48:04.139
don’t think i ever had that uh experience but

00:48:04.139 –> 00:48:08.239
i could see it Hereditary. I thought was a great

00:48:08.239 –> 00:48:10.719
name for what the movie is about. And it sticks

00:48:10.719 –> 00:48:14.880
out in it’s memorable and kind of mysterious.

00:48:15.400 –> 00:48:17.940
And it totally works with the plot. So I think

00:48:17.940 –> 00:48:19.980
I think that all in all, it ticks all the boxes.

00:48:20.079 –> 00:48:22.099
They might there might not be there might be

00:48:22.099 –> 00:48:24.239
a version that’s more interesting and mysterious.

00:48:24.420 –> 00:48:26.679
But I think that really worked by bringing all

00:48:26.679 –> 00:48:30.780
those elements together. And then Final Destination

00:48:30.780 –> 00:48:34.800
earns its title. It’s a good one. Bodies, bodies,

00:48:34.840 –> 00:48:38.639
bodies. I just, I don’t know why, but something

00:48:38.639 –> 00:48:41.380
about repeating bodies three times to me, just

00:48:41.380 –> 00:48:43.739
really like, it like really jumps out at you,

00:48:43.800 –> 00:48:46.260
you know? Right. And if you can’t remember the

00:48:46.260 –> 00:48:47.980
title, you’re like, it’s got the same word over

00:48:47.980 –> 00:48:51.340
and over. Yeah, totally. Totally. If it had just

00:48:51.340 –> 00:48:53.400
been bodies, that wouldn’t have been good. Right.

00:48:53.480 –> 00:48:55.500
But the fact that it’s bodies, bodies, bodies,

00:48:55.579 –> 00:48:58.139
I don’t know why it just really makes it. And

00:48:58.139 –> 00:49:00.539
this one is an oldie, but a goodie. And Peter

00:49:00.539 –> 00:49:03.510
kind of referenced it earlier, but Jaws. And

00:49:03.510 –> 00:49:05.489
I like it for the reason that you said, though,

00:49:05.550 –> 00:49:09.590
was that. It could have been shark. It could

00:49:09.590 –> 00:49:12.429
have been anything kind of like adjacent, but

00:49:12.429 –> 00:49:16.670
lame. But they found like the one word that is.

00:49:18.190 –> 00:49:20.469
You know, it’s saying it without saying it. It’s

00:49:20.469 –> 00:49:23.809
that same that saying and it’s scary. And you

00:49:23.809 –> 00:49:28.809
just think about the teeth. Right. Yeah. I’m

00:49:28.809 –> 00:49:30.969
going to do one more. And I also had in the mouth

00:49:30.969 –> 00:49:33.280
of madness, so I don’t need to say that. uh i

00:49:33.280 –> 00:49:36.659
i really liked an american werewolf in london

00:49:36.659 –> 00:49:41.059
as a title it is also on the nose but it’s a

00:49:41.059 –> 00:49:44.539
kind of a slightly more humorous you know i guess

00:49:44.539 –> 00:49:47.440
or whimsical take on it and i just really like

00:49:47.440 –> 00:49:49.340
it’s it’s very descriptive like you can paint

00:49:49.340 –> 00:49:51.239
a picture in your head of these like dumb american

00:49:51.239 –> 00:49:53.360
tourists encountering werewolves into like a

00:49:53.360 –> 00:49:56.840
ancient far -off land you know right yeah you

00:49:56.840 –> 00:49:59.420
kind of have an idea of what you’re getting getting

00:49:59.420 –> 00:50:04.489
into yeah so now that brings us to films that

00:50:04.489 –> 00:50:06.289
could have been better have better titles what

00:50:06.289 –> 00:50:08.869
what do you got on your list okay well we’ll

00:50:08.869 –> 00:50:10.570
go we’ll switch off you do one i’ll do one and

00:50:10.570 –> 00:50:12.829
then well the idea here is we’re going to talk

00:50:12.829 –> 00:50:15.949
about why why we don’t like it and then suggest

00:50:15.949 –> 00:50:18.769
one or two potential alternatives well so here’s

00:50:18.769 –> 00:50:21.730
the thing and these are movies we’ve we’ve seen

00:50:21.730 –> 00:50:25.489
i personally enjoyed very much all these movies

00:50:25.489 –> 00:50:28.329
that i’m about to name um so no shade towards

00:50:28.329 –> 00:50:31.960
what what they named them but If I saw them,

00:50:31.960 –> 00:50:34.260
besides maybe the last one, just by names and

00:50:34.260 –> 00:50:36.760
knew nothing about them, I’d much rather watch

00:50:36.760 –> 00:50:39.119
a movie called Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia

00:50:39.119 –> 00:50:42.219
or At Midnight I’ll Take Your Soul, which I didn’t

00:50:42.219 –> 00:50:44.440
mention either before. But I was like, those

00:50:44.440 –> 00:50:47.340
are loud and proud, right? Those are like, we’ll

00:50:47.340 –> 00:50:49.780
get your attention. These kind of you can easily

00:50:49.780 –> 00:50:52.679
overlook. You’re probably familiar with most

00:50:52.679 –> 00:50:54.639
of these, but I’ll start with the first one.

00:50:54.760 –> 00:50:56.300
Yeah, go for it. Chris, if you’re not familiar

00:50:56.300 –> 00:50:58.099
with this, I’ll tell you. The movie is called

00:50:58.099 –> 00:51:01.789
Threads. And if for those of you guys who don’t

00:51:01.789 –> 00:51:06.110
have any idea what it is, it’s it’s feels like

00:51:06.110 –> 00:51:09.110
you’re watching reality in a way, because it’s

00:51:09.110 –> 00:51:13.650
it’s I think like early 80s. In Sheffield, England,

00:51:13.869 –> 00:51:16.570
leading up to when a nuclear bomb goes off, what

00:51:16.570 –> 00:51:19.090
happens during and then the aftermath. So it

00:51:19.090 –> 00:51:21.010
feels like you’re watching a documentary and

00:51:21.010 –> 00:51:24.469
it’s it’s pretty terrifying. But I’m like threads.

00:51:25.500 –> 00:51:28.679
that’s what like it could be anything yeah it

00:51:28.679 –> 00:51:32.719
could be about selling so my uh my my titles

00:51:32.719 –> 00:51:35.880
that i would go back and rename it if that was

00:51:35.880 –> 00:51:39.960
me um and i you know i don’t know you might be

00:51:39.960 –> 00:51:42.480
like these are super titles but uh doomsday i

00:51:42.480 –> 00:51:45.360
thought would be a good title for it well without

00:51:45.360 –> 00:51:47.179
having seen it’s a little harder for me to say

00:51:47.179 –> 00:51:51.099
but also i might tell something of doomsday doesn’t

00:51:51.099 –> 00:51:53.429
shed any more light on it you know Well, if you

00:51:53.429 –> 00:51:56.670
watch it, you’d get it, I guess. I think The

00:51:56.670 –> 00:51:59.409
Last of Us, Doomsday and The Last of Us are both

00:51:59.409 –> 00:52:03.829
other, you know, titles of video games, movies,

00:52:03.949 –> 00:52:06.750
whatever. Just because that’s… The Last of

00:52:06.750 –> 00:52:09.349
Us is a good title. Right, that suits it. And

00:52:09.349 –> 00:52:11.090
then I made up this one. I don’t think it’s great,

00:52:11.230 –> 00:52:13.650
but I was like, at least it’s kind of like touching

00:52:13.650 –> 00:52:17.889
on the price we pay. So for my first example

00:52:17.889 –> 00:52:20.670
of bad titles, it’s really more of a genre of

00:52:20.670 –> 00:52:23.400
bad titles, I think. And that’s anything with

00:52:23.400 –> 00:52:28.059
haunted or haunting, you know, the haunted, haunted,

00:52:28.280 –> 00:52:31.380
House on Haunted Hill, the haunting. I mean,

00:52:31.440 –> 00:52:35.539
there’s, you can go on for like 30 minutes with

00:52:35.539 –> 00:52:37.820
titles that are in that vein. And I think they’re

00:52:37.820 –> 00:52:41.000
mostly bad because there are so many that are

00:52:41.000 –> 00:52:42.840
similar and it’s hard to know which ones you’re

00:52:42.840 –> 00:52:45.019
talking about. And, you know, you got to clarify,

00:52:45.119 –> 00:52:46.639
you’re having a conversation. No, no, not that

00:52:46.639 –> 00:52:48.539
one. But the one that, you know, it stars this

00:52:48.539 –> 00:52:51.219
person or whatever. So I’m not a big fan of those.

00:52:51.739 –> 00:52:53.820
And it’s also hard to look them up, you know,

00:52:53.840 –> 00:52:56.840
SEO wise, like trying to find, if you Google

00:52:56.840 –> 00:52:59.739
that, you could easily find the wrong film. Right.

00:52:59.940 –> 00:53:02.340
Well, I mean, to be fair, because I had the same

00:53:02.340 –> 00:53:04.440
thought with zombie movies. All right. Night

00:53:04.440 –> 00:53:06.099
of the Living Dead. I agree with that too. Night

00:53:06.099 –> 00:53:08.280
of the Living Dead started this whole. Return

00:53:08.280 –> 00:53:10.800
of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead. All these

00:53:10.800 –> 00:53:17.099
dead in them. So it comes with, yeah, someone

00:53:17.099 –> 00:53:20.480
being the first to name something. And then.

00:53:20.880 –> 00:53:23.179
Right. Then, well, you know, I think maybe that

00:53:23.179 –> 00:53:25.340
was a trick that people, that people tend to

00:53:25.340 –> 00:53:28.820
use, which is if you, if there’s a successful

00:53:28.820 –> 00:53:30.500
film and you name your film, something similar,

00:53:30.599 –> 00:53:32.239
maybe you kind of like get some of the afterglow,

00:53:32.300 –> 00:53:34.760
which I don’t think I wouldn’t recommend unless

00:53:34.760 –> 00:53:37.960
you’re like making a B B movie version of that,

00:53:38.059 –> 00:53:41.059
you know, but, um, but yeah, you know, so I,

00:53:41.099 –> 00:53:43.400
obviously the suggested alternative would just

00:53:43.400 –> 00:53:46.139
depend on the movie, but basically anything that’s

00:53:46.139 –> 00:53:48.949
not that is what I would say. Just like. lean

00:53:48.949 –> 00:53:51.469
into what makes your film unique and not just

00:53:51.469 –> 00:53:53.710
you know go to the haunting because yes all we

00:53:53.710 –> 00:53:56.530
know is it’s a ghost story like you’re already

00:53:56.530 –> 00:53:58.090
suggesting it’s like oh this is just another

00:53:58.090 –> 00:53:59.730
ghost story because there’s like a million like

00:53:59.730 –> 00:54:03.510
this you know no that’s fair so is this me yeah

00:54:03.510 –> 00:54:06.349
we’re up to bat okay so this is uh one of my

00:54:06.349 –> 00:54:09.690
favorite movies but again if you knew nothing

00:54:09.690 –> 00:54:13.909
about this movie and just saw it it would at

00:54:13.909 –> 00:54:15.489
least it wouldn’t jump out at me and that is

00:54:15.489 –> 00:54:19.869
the thing yeah It’s the John Carpenter one. Great

00:54:19.869 –> 00:54:23.429
movie. Awful name. Well, it’s a remake of A Thing

00:54:23.429 –> 00:54:26.329
from Another World, which was based on a novel

00:54:26.329 –> 00:54:29.829
called Who Goes There? And so The Thing, I’m

00:54:29.829 –> 00:54:33.409
just like, The Thing. Thing is the most generic

00:54:33.409 –> 00:54:36.769
word ever. It fits. It earns the title when you

00:54:36.769 –> 00:54:39.429
watch it because you don’t know what the alien

00:54:39.429 –> 00:54:42.650
is. But if I was going to try to give it a…

00:54:42.840 –> 00:54:46.219
A better name, one I thought of because paranoia

00:54:46.219 –> 00:54:48.159
is such a big part of that, is Trust No One.

00:54:49.539 –> 00:54:51.599
Shiver, I thought, would actually be a good one.

00:54:51.599 –> 00:54:53.239
That would be a good one. This one’s a little

00:54:53.239 –> 00:54:58.199
goofy, but I think Snow Angel, maybe that’s way

00:54:58.199 –> 00:55:02.219
too… Snow Devil, maybe? Snow Thing? Snow Thing.

00:55:02.500 –> 00:55:04.619
Ain’t no thing but a snow thing? I don’t know.

00:55:05.039 –> 00:55:08.320
But yeah, those are the cracks I gave it for

00:55:08.320 –> 00:55:10.559
trying to improve the title. Yeah, see, I mean,

00:55:10.579 –> 00:55:13.769
it’s hard, right? It’s hard to name things. Yeah,

00:55:13.769 –> 00:55:17.309
my next one I think could be better is actually

00:55:17.309 –> 00:55:21.110
Halloween. I’m going to give you pushback on

00:55:21.110 –> 00:55:23.150
this. All right. Yeah, no, no. Feel free to disagree.

00:55:23.329 –> 00:55:25.889
But the reason I didn’t like it is that it gives

00:55:25.889 –> 00:55:27.789
no indication of what it is, which is a slasher

00:55:27.789 –> 00:55:30.530
film. The SEO is going to be terrible because

00:55:30.530 –> 00:55:34.869
Halloween is one of the most used terms that

00:55:34.869 –> 00:55:36.809
people are going to search for, particularly

00:55:36.809 –> 00:55:43.039
at certain times of the year. you can’t even

00:55:43.039 –> 00:55:45.539
like tell the genre from based on that. Like,

00:55:45.559 –> 00:55:46.860
you don’t know it’s a horror. I mean, you assume

00:55:46.860 –> 00:55:48.360
it is cause it’s Halloween, but it could be like

00:55:48.360 –> 00:55:51.800
a kid’s movie, you know? So I just think, you

00:55:51.800 –> 00:55:53.960
know, what could it be instead? Like, I mean,

00:55:53.980 –> 00:55:55.840
that’s slasher films are tough because at the

00:55:55.840 –> 00:55:57.360
end of the day, there’s not always a lot of meat

00:55:57.360 –> 00:55:59.340
on the bones. It does take place in Halloween,

00:55:59.519 –> 00:56:04.480
but it could be like the, the Halloween we died

00:56:04.480 –> 00:56:08.280
or like, you know, Well, technically, it’s John

00:56:08.280 –> 00:56:11.519
Carpenter’s Halloween. He puts his name. I mean,

00:56:11.519 –> 00:56:13.659
the thing would also be John Carpenter’s. Oh,

00:56:13.679 –> 00:56:16.079
all right. All right. But what’s what’s interesting

00:56:16.079 –> 00:56:18.699
is they ended up with Halloween because they

00:56:18.699 –> 00:56:20.320
found out there was no other movie that used

00:56:20.320 –> 00:56:22.519
that. So they were getting first dibs on it.

00:56:22.699 –> 00:56:25.639
And the trend that came after that is all the

00:56:25.639 –> 00:56:28.119
slasher movies of the 80s that were named after

00:56:28.119 –> 00:56:30.039
holidays. And that still goes on today, which

00:56:30.039 –> 00:56:33.119
I just don’t see the point of name after. Also,

00:56:33.280 –> 00:56:35.800
it like it kind of. makes you feel like you there’s

00:56:35.800 –> 00:56:38.139
a certain time of the year to watch it when all

00:56:38.139 –> 00:56:39.619
any time of the year is a good time to watch

00:56:39.619 –> 00:56:41.380
it i don’t know i just think it could have been

00:56:41.380 –> 00:56:45.219
better i will say that these movies um like halloween

00:56:45.219 –> 00:56:49.340
and you know there’s a lot of names that i probably

00:56:49.340 –> 00:56:51.539
wouldn’t choose but the old it’s because they’re

00:56:51.539 –> 00:56:53.980
older and i think back then there was a different

00:56:53.980 –> 00:56:56.760
a there were less names were taken and you had

00:56:56.760 –> 00:56:58.780
to worry about these kinds of things you know

00:56:58.780 –> 00:57:01.340
like similar names less often that you could

00:57:01.340 –> 00:57:03.559
say something that’s like one word or whatever

00:57:03.559 –> 00:57:06.400
a common word in it and you know you were the

00:57:06.400 –> 00:57:08.159
first film to have that so there was no confusing

00:57:08.159 –> 00:57:10.960
it um now we got to try a little harder you know

00:57:10.960 –> 00:57:14.079
yeah i mean like the the first alternative to

00:57:14.079 –> 00:57:16.000
halloween would be trick -or -treat which has

00:57:16.000 –> 00:57:18.119
also been done twice by two different movies

00:57:18.119 –> 00:57:20.300
which both came after all i mean i think right

00:57:20.300 –> 00:57:23.179
yeah no they did so trying to come up with a

00:57:23.179 –> 00:57:25.980
name for a halloween movie is gonna be tough

00:57:25.980 –> 00:57:28.940
yeah No, I mean, you’re not wrong, but I’m sure,

00:57:29.039 –> 00:57:31.679
you know, like we could, we could probably brainstorm

00:57:31.679 –> 00:57:33.800
something in this conversation that would be

00:57:33.800 –> 00:57:35.659
better than Halloween. I think personally, I

00:57:35.659 –> 00:57:38.659
don’t know. All right. Well, let’s do the next

00:57:38.659 –> 00:57:45.960
one. My next one is a Stephen King story that

00:57:45.960 –> 00:57:47.820
has become a mini series. I got a Stephen King

00:57:47.820 –> 00:57:52.460
one on here too. Known as it. Also on my list.

00:57:52.699 –> 00:57:55.019
So I got two Stephen King, but that’s, that’s

00:57:55.019 –> 00:57:57.809
one of them. And I’ve read the book. I’ve seen

00:57:57.809 –> 00:58:01.570
both versions of the miniseries than the movies

00:58:01.570 –> 00:58:06.389
that were made not long ago. And I get why it’s

00:58:06.389 –> 00:58:10.769
called it. But it. Come on, we got to do better

00:58:10.769 –> 00:58:13.809
than it. Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, like,

00:58:13.869 –> 00:58:16.690
again, it’s the book, but like I feel like Stephen

00:58:16.690 –> 00:58:18.409
King should have known better with the book,

00:58:18.429 –> 00:58:23.329
too. Yeah, I mean, it it is what it is. And trying

00:58:23.329 –> 00:58:25.369
to come up with a good name for that. The best

00:58:25.369 –> 00:58:27.309
thing I could come up with was if he just called

00:58:27.309 –> 00:58:29.150
it Pennywise. Because I’d be like, that’s an

00:58:29.150 –> 00:58:32.130
interesting name. And I wouldn’t know what it

00:58:32.130 –> 00:58:34.989
meant. But it’s the clown that. Or Pennywise

00:58:34.989 –> 00:58:40.949
Pound Foolish. No, no, I’m just kidding. I hear

00:58:40.949 –> 00:58:45.449
you. I kind of think like there’s maybe not a

00:58:45.449 –> 00:58:47.150
lot of us out there, but there are people like

00:58:47.150 –> 00:58:49.630
me who hate clowns. Like not in the like, I’m

00:58:49.630 –> 00:58:51.960
scared of clowns. you know, like to terrorize

00:58:51.960 –> 00:58:54.039
me, but in the, like, I just don’t want to think

00:58:54.039 –> 00:58:55.639
about it. Like, I just don’t care about it. Like

00:58:55.639 –> 00:58:57.639
if you tell me there’s a clown movie, generally

00:58:57.639 –> 00:59:01.000
speaking, I’m like, I don’t care. Like, so to

00:59:01.000 –> 00:59:02.699
me, that’d be a turnoff, but I get, I could see

00:59:02.699 –> 00:59:04.519
what you’re saying. It’s better than it for sure.

00:59:04.719 –> 00:59:09.760
You know? Yeah. It’s just, it is so vague. Yeah.

00:59:10.860 –> 00:59:12.699
They’re trying to hone in on something that tells

00:59:12.699 –> 00:59:15.440
you a little bit more about, I guess the, the

00:59:15.440 –> 00:59:18.460
movie. Yeah. I mean, I like welcome to dairy

00:59:18.460 –> 00:59:20.940
better. I still think it has problems, but it’s,

00:59:20.940 –> 00:59:24.920
it’s a better title for, uh, in that story verse,

00:59:25.099 –> 00:59:27.360
you know, it does have the advantage of dairy

00:59:27.360 –> 00:59:30.300
being established by it and probably other Stephen

00:59:30.300 –> 00:59:34.460
King stories that take place in dairy. Um, yeah,

00:59:34.579 –> 00:59:36.679
I mean, I still don’t like welcome to dairy.

00:59:36.699 –> 00:59:38.880
Don’t get me wrong, but at least it’s like, go

00:59:38.880 –> 00:59:43.500
gives you a little bit more, you know? Um, yeah

00:59:43.500 –> 00:59:45.380
well i guess i’ll i’ll do my other stephen king

00:59:45.380 –> 00:59:48.260
one next so since we’re on theme here which is

00:59:48.260 –> 00:59:51.119
castle rock um haven’t seen it yet it’s on my

00:59:51.119 –> 00:59:53.440
list but i haven’t seen it but i it just part

00:59:53.440 –> 00:59:56.219
of why i haven’t seen it is because the name

00:59:56.219 –> 00:59:59.119
is just so uninspiring i never reach for it so

00:59:59.119 –> 01:00:02.539
i guess i can give you some content well i know

01:00:02.539 –> 01:00:04.920
it’s about the town right that like a lot of

01:00:04.920 –> 01:00:07.440
stephen king’s stories take place in but if you

01:00:07.440 –> 01:00:09.659
don’t know that which honestly i didn’t know

01:00:09.659 –> 01:00:11.460
that totally you actually told me that um at

01:00:11.460 –> 01:00:16.050
some point you well so i i lived in colorado

01:00:16.050 –> 01:00:19.929
a long time and in colorado there’s a town called

01:00:19.929 –> 01:00:25.610
castle rock oh interesting and uh it’s it’s like

01:00:25.610 –> 01:00:27.289
somewhere you drive through between denver and

01:00:27.289 –> 01:00:29.449
colorado springs and you know i it’s for for

01:00:29.449 –> 01:00:32.570
me it just sort of like i just it just makes

01:00:32.570 –> 01:00:35.949
it more uninteresting because so anyways that’s

01:00:35.949 –> 01:00:39.690
the order there but fair enough i i get it especially

01:00:39.690 –> 01:00:41.489
if you already know about castle rock and you’re

01:00:41.489 –> 01:00:43.349
like there’s a movie about that what like see

01:00:43.349 –> 01:00:46.289
well yeah yeah i mean the thing i think that’s

01:00:46.289 –> 01:00:48.710
what i dislike about it is that if you don’t

01:00:48.710 –> 01:00:52.050
know already that castle rock is affiliated with

01:00:52.050 –> 01:00:54.230
stephen king is like in the steven king averse

01:00:54.230 –> 01:00:59.190
that you and i didn’t you wouldn’t know it’s

01:00:59.190 –> 01:01:02.750
in the genre of horror you wouldn’t know like

01:01:02.750 –> 01:01:05.110
what to expect from it it’s just and this is

01:01:05.110 –> 01:01:07.030
like a thing that um i meant to bring up earlier

01:01:07.030 –> 01:01:10.489
which is that I have a pet peeve against films

01:01:10.489 –> 01:01:15.469
that are, have a characters or places name in

01:01:15.469 –> 01:01:18.309
the title that are from the thing that you’re

01:01:18.309 –> 01:01:21.449
about to watch because it tells you nothing about

01:01:21.449 –> 01:01:25.889
it. It’s just a name like, uh, particularly when

01:01:25.889 –> 01:01:28.730
the title is only the name, you know, Jack Reacher,

01:01:28.809 –> 01:01:32.289
terrible name. Right, right, right. Uh, but you

01:01:32.289 –> 01:01:34.769
know, teach the round i guess well stephen king

01:01:34.769 –> 01:01:37.670
also has carrie and kujo and christine which

01:01:37.670 –> 01:01:42.789
though i will say um one of his more interesting

01:01:42.789 –> 01:01:45.110
titles and stephen king’s one of my favorite

01:01:45.110 –> 01:01:49.489
authors by the way so i you know i can pile on

01:01:49.489 –> 01:01:53.349
the praise for him i think is salem’s lot but

01:01:53.349 –> 01:01:56.530
only you know the context because it’s you know

01:01:56.530 –> 01:01:59.150
a town full of vampires it becomes one but it

01:01:59.150 –> 01:02:00.849
was originally called jerusalem’s lot and the

01:02:01.280 –> 01:02:03.960
sign got screwed up so it ended up being salem’s

01:02:03.960 –> 01:02:05.619
lot so that’s where i came from that’s cool i

01:02:05.619 –> 01:02:08.059
thought that was a very cool way to name that

01:02:08.059 –> 01:02:09.840
yeah i agree i actually agree with that and you

01:02:09.840 –> 01:02:13.159
know they’re always like everything there’s exceptions

01:02:13.159 –> 01:02:14.880
and i think the exception with that one too is

01:02:14.880 –> 01:02:21.000
you know the town of salem has a you know uh

01:02:21.000 –> 01:02:23.480
context to it that you know that everybody’s

01:02:23.480 –> 01:02:25.639
familiar with that you automatically know the

01:02:25.639 –> 01:02:28.400
genre and the you know tone of the film essentially

01:02:28.400 –> 01:02:32.510
that’s true too yeah uh and then the last one

01:02:32.510 –> 01:02:38.610
i’ll touch on for me is the fog uh yeah i know

01:02:38.610 –> 01:02:41.190
it’s descriptive it’s it is what it is but i

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just i i feel like a fog in general the fog like

01:02:45.730 –> 01:02:48.750
whatever i’m not scared of fog you know obviously

01:02:48.750 –> 01:02:50.630
i’m scared of what’s in the fog sometimes potentially

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but fog itself is to me isn’t really that uh

01:02:54.750 –> 01:02:58.480
it doesn’t do much for me Yeah, I mean, I see

01:02:58.480 –> 01:03:00.800
your point. It doesn’t bother me because there’s

01:03:00.800 –> 01:03:03.219
a lot of horror movies that’s called the whatever,

01:03:03.400 –> 01:03:05.420
fill in the blank. Yeah, exactly. And most of

01:03:05.420 –> 01:03:06.739
them, to be perfectly honest, most of them I’m

01:03:06.739 –> 01:03:10.280
not that into as a title. Right. Fair enough.

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My next one is one of my favorite movies of the

01:03:14.820 –> 01:03:18.500
last 10 or so years. And I don’t hate the title.

01:03:18.559 –> 01:03:21.719
It makes sense. But it just doesn’t make me want

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to see it unless I know what the movie’s about.

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And that is Green Room. Jeremy Sonier did Blue

01:03:28.559 –> 01:03:31.500
Ruin before that, which I thought was a better

01:03:31.500 –> 01:03:35.159
color title. If you see the movie Blue Ruin,

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it makes sense. But Green Room, I’m like, okay,

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it’s just a location where this happens. If you

01:03:39.320 –> 01:03:41.360
don’t know what Green Room is, it’s where a punk

01:03:41.360 –> 01:03:43.619
band plays a neo -Nazi venue and gets trapped

01:03:43.619 –> 01:03:45.940
there because of violence, and then things go

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south real quick. It’s kind of like a monster

01:03:48.320 –> 01:03:51.619
in a siege kind of… Yeah, it’s a siege kind

01:03:51.619 –> 01:03:55.789
of situation. But it’s such a neutral… title

01:03:55.789 –> 01:03:59.110
that i was like exactly could be a ballet it

01:03:59.110 –> 01:04:01.670
could be uh anything any performance as a green

01:04:01.670 –> 01:04:03.570
room you know right it could be it could be anything

01:04:03.570 –> 01:04:06.889
um and i’m not saying i got a better title but

01:04:06.889 –> 01:04:08.949
maybe something that clues you in a little more

01:04:08.949 –> 01:04:13.329
to a genre piece is the sound of violence the

01:04:13.329 –> 01:04:15.510
band’s playing punk rock i actually think that’s

01:04:15.510 –> 01:04:17.849
really good um great title this one’s kind of

01:04:17.849 –> 01:04:22.130
goofy but it’s fun punk’s not dead you are yeah

01:04:22.130 –> 01:04:25.599
my only pushback on that is like it’s not a funny

01:04:25.599 –> 01:04:30.300
movie so right right so it’s it’s very hard to

01:04:30.300 –> 01:04:33.039
come up with with titles especially for movies

01:04:33.039 –> 01:04:36.139
that you you know and you love and uh that you

01:04:36.139 –> 01:04:38.300
already think of them as something but if you

01:04:38.300 –> 01:04:40.139
can separate it from it it’s kind of interesting

01:04:40.139 –> 01:04:42.280
to go through movies and be like is that the

01:04:42.280 –> 01:04:44.599
best title for that no you’re absolutely right

01:04:44.599 –> 01:04:47.579
and so i have one more yeah give us a bonus one

01:04:47.579 –> 01:04:51.320
so this one is interesting because it’s very

01:04:51.320 –> 01:04:53.980
opposite of all the other titles this movie is

01:04:53.980 –> 01:04:57.210
called humanist vampire seeking consenting suicidal

01:04:57.210 –> 01:05:02.210
person that is 16 syllables like it’s too long

01:05:02.210 –> 01:05:04.269
it’s a long title right and you’re not gonna

01:05:04.269 –> 01:05:05.789
remember that to go type it in your computer

01:05:05.789 –> 01:05:08.650
no and and the movie is really interesting it’s

01:05:08.650 –> 01:05:12.110
kind of like um a girl walks home alone at night

01:05:12.110 –> 01:05:15.829
meets uh also not a great movie i’m not a great

01:05:15.829 –> 01:05:17.829
title but a great movie right it’s it’s like

01:05:17.829 –> 01:05:20.110
a mix between that and let the right one in yeah

01:05:20.110 –> 01:05:22.510
but it’s it’s yeah you have a vampire who doesn’t

01:05:22.510 –> 01:05:26.010
want to drink people’s blood but then sees a

01:05:26.010 –> 01:05:27.710
person who’s going to commit suicide and it’s

01:05:27.710 –> 01:05:30.530
like oh maybe you’ll solve my problem so there’s

01:05:30.530 –> 01:05:33.630
a whole theme of vampire movies with alternative

01:05:33.630 –> 01:05:37.329
blood ways of finding alternative blood from

01:05:37.329 –> 01:05:39.670
not having to kill people you know like true

01:05:39.670 –> 01:05:42.309
blood or right right it’s a whole genre sub genre

01:05:42.309 –> 01:05:45.429
it’s a fascinating concept yeah going against

01:05:45.429 –> 01:05:48.230
your nature so the the titles i came up for that

01:05:48.230 –> 01:05:51.130
that are a little bit uh shorter would be can’t

01:05:51.130 –> 01:05:57.030
feed lonely blood or without teeth i’m not saying

01:05:57.030 –> 01:05:59.050
those are knocking it out of the park i don’t

01:05:59.050 –> 01:06:01.550
think any of my titles are but just they clue

01:06:01.550 –> 01:06:03.510
you in a little more to what the the movie is

01:06:03.510 –> 01:06:06.550
without where you can actually remember it nice

01:06:06.550 –> 01:06:09.969
but i i highly recommend all those movies if

01:06:09.969 –> 01:06:12.690
you have not seen them yeah well hopefully that

01:06:12.690 –> 01:06:15.389
sheds some light on uh the process that we go

01:06:15.389 –> 01:06:18.150
through when we are choosing titles and you know

01:06:18.150 –> 01:06:22.860
like what things to consider are is, are, whatever.

01:06:23.199 –> 01:06:24.780
Things that you can think about when you’re trying

01:06:24.780 –> 01:06:27.159
to name your own projects and, you know, it’s

01:06:27.159 –> 01:06:30.159
never easy. Feel free to run it by people you

01:06:30.159 –> 01:06:32.320
trust, friends and family. Take it for a test

01:06:32.320 –> 01:06:35.639
drive before you settle if you can. You know,

01:06:35.699 –> 01:06:39.940
it’s an amazing, the world, there’s, it’s a wide

01:06:39.940 –> 01:06:41.840
world of really interesting things out there,

01:06:41.980 –> 01:06:45.159
ways of being creative. Like why settle on something

01:06:45.159 –> 01:06:50.380
that’s… Yeah. I mean, go, go the extra mile.

01:06:50.460 –> 01:06:52.340
People will appreciate it. If you can’t, I mean,

01:06:52.340 –> 01:06:54.480
you might hit a roadblock. You might be like,

01:06:54.519 –> 01:06:56.519
I can’t do any better. Cause I think a lot of

01:06:56.519 –> 01:06:59.500
us struggle with that. And it’s, it’s not like

01:06:59.500 –> 01:07:02.159
you, you know, you don’t judge a book by its

01:07:02.159 –> 01:07:04.320
cover, but you want to make that cover fucking

01:07:04.320 –> 01:07:08.199
cool. Right. Like you shouldn’t judge a book

01:07:08.199 –> 01:07:10.940
by its cover, but we all do, you know? And you

01:07:10.940 –> 01:07:12.679
know, we judge, we judge a movie by its title.

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And I wanted to say something else about this.

01:07:16.099 –> 01:07:20.369
Cause. There’s a sub -genre, a horror sub -genre.

01:07:20.590 –> 01:07:22.650
If you’re way into this stuff, I’m sure you know

01:07:22.650 –> 01:07:25.809
Giallo movies, which are basically like the Italian

01:07:25.809 –> 01:07:29.110
murder mysteries that are kind of like Scooby

01:07:29.110 –> 01:07:30.489
-Doo in the sense you find out who the killer

01:07:30.489 –> 01:07:34.329
is by the end. But those actually do a pretty

01:07:34.329 –> 01:07:37.469
good job of… They have a lot of interesting

01:07:37.469 –> 01:07:40.389
names. And I want to shout that out because I

01:07:40.389 –> 01:07:43.030
think that’s pretty fascinating. So they have

01:07:43.030 –> 01:07:45.769
movies like The House with Laughing Windows.

01:07:46.820 –> 01:07:49.139
your vice is locked in a room and only i have

01:07:49.139 –> 01:07:52.059
the key death knocks twice long interesting but

01:07:52.059 –> 01:07:55.079
a bit long the iguana with the tongue of fire

01:07:55.079 –> 01:07:58.380
okay the devil has seven faces i like that that’s

01:07:58.380 –> 01:08:00.559
good your hands on my body like i’m like those

01:08:00.559 –> 01:08:03.659
are fucking wild titles right like yeah you know

01:08:03.659 –> 01:08:05.159
what actually i didn’t put this on my list but

01:08:05.159 –> 01:08:08.380
one of my favorite titles is touch of evil yeah

01:08:08.380 –> 01:08:11.949
that’s a great title yeah all right well Thanks

01:08:11.949 –> 01:08:15.170
for hanging with us. Peter, are you excited about

01:08:15.170 –> 01:08:16.350
anything in the coming week? Are you going to

01:08:16.350 –> 01:08:20.130
check any movies out? Well, I’ll leave you guys

01:08:20.130 –> 01:08:26.470
with a movie I just saw called A Desert. And

01:08:26.470 –> 01:08:31.770
I will say it’s kind of a neo -noir horror that

01:08:31.770 –> 01:08:34.930
I think came out last year. I can’t tell if it’s

01:08:34.930 –> 01:08:37.909
on Shudder or Amazon because I watched it on

01:08:37.909 –> 01:08:40.510
Amazon and now my Shudder’s on Amazon. But then

01:08:40.510 –> 01:08:43.510
if you go to the IMDb page, it says it’s on Amazon

01:08:43.510 –> 01:08:46.250
or AMC, but I don’t think it said Shutter. But

01:08:46.250 –> 01:08:49.510
it’s basically where a photographer goes on a

01:08:49.510 –> 01:08:52.270
road trip to this barren parts of California

01:08:52.270 –> 01:08:56.850
and ends up at a seedy motel and things kind

01:08:56.850 –> 01:09:01.229
of go south from there. But it’s kind of artsy

01:09:01.229 –> 01:09:04.229
without being pretentious, yet it leaves you

01:09:04.229 –> 01:09:06.909
with like a, oh, this is getting dark kind of

01:09:06.909 –> 01:09:11.960
mood to it. directed by joshua irkman and written

01:09:11.960 –> 01:09:14.720
by bozzy baker i guess they both kind of wrote

01:09:14.720 –> 01:09:18.619
it together is what i gathered from uh from the

01:09:18.619 –> 01:09:21.060
imdb page but i i really enjoyed it i thought

01:09:21.060 –> 01:09:23.520
all the performances were great and it’s a nice

01:09:23.520 –> 01:09:25.720
little indie that’s modern if you’re looking

01:09:25.720 –> 01:09:27.779
for something like that all right cool go check

01:09:27.779 –> 01:09:30.300
out what’s called again a desert a desert right

01:09:30.300 –> 01:09:34.359
and um i’m excited to check out this week a useful

01:09:34.359 –> 01:09:37.760
ghost which is thailand’s official entrance into

01:09:37.760 –> 01:09:41.939
the uh oscar’s best form picture category um

01:09:41.939 –> 01:09:44.859
but it sounds really interesting because it’s

01:09:44.859 –> 01:09:46.760
it’s about i guess it follows like a grieving

01:09:46.760 –> 01:09:50.479
widower who uh discovers his deceased wife is

01:09:50.479 –> 01:09:52.880
possessed by a is has possessed a vacuum cleaner

01:09:52.880 –> 01:09:57.300
and wow and it’s kind of a horror comedy but

01:09:57.300 –> 01:09:59.100
just that’s all i know about it but it sounds

01:09:59.100 –> 01:10:01.939
very intriguing so i’m gonna see if i can check

01:10:01.939 –> 01:10:04.479
that out if i have time after babies you know

01:10:04.479 –> 01:10:07.100
watching my son and all the other things in my

01:10:07.100 –> 01:10:10.329
life but Thanks for hanging with us. I will also

01:10:10.329 –> 01:10:12.029
say a useful ghost. That’s a good title based

01:10:12.029 –> 01:10:14.789
on what the movie is about. I agree. I love that

01:10:14.789 –> 01:10:17.229
title. That’s clever. Yeah. So that’s a good,

01:10:17.250 –> 01:10:19.869
good one to leave you on a useful ghost about

01:10:19.869 –> 01:10:23.689
a ghost that takes over a vacuum cleaner. All

01:10:23.689 –> 01:10:30.869
right. Check back in next week for a brand new

01:10:30.869 –> 01:10:33.729
episode. In the meantime, go check out our website

01:10:33.729 –> 01:10:37.220
at nightmare logic .net. where you can find today’s

01:10:37.220 –> 01:10:39.220
show notes and see what else we got cooking.

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We’d like to give a big shout out to Lars Lang

01:10:42.180 –> 01:10:45.380
Peterson for the score. And you can find us on

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01:10:48.840 –> 01:10:50.680
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Take care.